You're either WITH the US Constitution or you're AGAINST it.

[alittlelark]

The Repugs are really good at the 'sound bite'. We NEED to improve our use of it.

If you support the U.S. CONSTITUTION you are a PATRIOT
If you support those that attempt to DESTROY it you are a TRAITOR.
We Dem's and Progressives need to take back the flag - it BELONGS to US!!!



edited due to Floridapats obvoius correction.

[FloridaPat]

1. If you support those that attempt to DESTROY it you are a TRAITOR.

[alittlelark]

6. You are spot-on.

If you support the US CONSTITUTION you are a PATRIOT.
If you support those attempting to DESTROY it you are a TRAITOR.

[helderheid]

2. There is a reason we have separation of powers.

recommended

[Mnemosyne]

3. Exactly. n/t

[alittlelark]

7. But how many in positions of power will 'get it'?

[Mnemosyne]

15. I intend to ask

Specter, scumtorum and English if they get it. Yep, I'm so lucky, get to have those 3 jackasses as my reps. I will hound them until they leave office with the slogan you've shared lark.

I thought there was an ounce of hope left for Specter, maybe, until he started kissing Scalito's butt after the hearings. Good-bye Constitution, hello fascists.

I can barely contain my excitement at how thorough Specter will investigate the NSA spying! Can ya' tell?

I just keep hoping the tide will turn and what goes around will come around.

You may say that I'm a dreamer... :)



It cracks me up that spellcheck always tries to change scumtorum to Santorum! Even it recognizes scum! lmao

[Wordie]

24. Best hope of convincing Specter...

Remind him that Alito's ideas about the "unitary exectutive" risk upsetting the balance of powers between branches of government and usurping the role of the legislature. That is something that is a concern of his - the balance of powers.

Here's some backup:
You could refer to a ...2000 speech to the Federalist Society in which Judge Alito indicated his belief in a unitary theory of the executive, which he said, "best captures the meaning of the Constitution’s text and structure." Under this theory, Alito said, "the president has not just some executive powers, but the executive power - the whole thing."

That speech was consistent with a 1986 document written by Alito as a Reagan Justice Department lawyer in which he argued for the increased use of "presidential signing statements" intended to trump congressional intent and legislative history and "increase the power of the Executive to shape the law."

http://www.aclu.org/scotus/2005/23553prs20060119.html

Not saying there is really any chance of convincing him; I just don't know. But if there is any chance, that argument is likely to be the one that will do the job.

[Mnemosyne]

28. Specter's office can almost

tell me what I am going to say before I say it anymore. And I hear much sighing also, lol. Tough crap for them.

I'm concentrating on calling the Gang of 14 starting Monday a.m.

Thanks for the advice though Wordie! I'm just at the beating a dead horse stage with his office now.

V

[Wordie]

30. Good work, vickiss!

We have nothing to lose by keeping the pressure on. :)

[Mnemosyne]

37. And too much to lose if we stop. n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

4. Somebody made this comment on Randi tonight. It would be nice

to see the truth catch on for a change. :hi: :patriot:

[alittlelark]

17. Did they say it in the same way?

If so....:patriot:


I want to meet that person!!!

[alittlelark]

5. Just came back after serving dinner... I'm very happy DUer's

'GET' what I'm saying! Thank you!

[bigmonkey]

8. "Why do you hate the Constitution?"

Can't we turn the tables on them? or "Why do you want to abandon our Constitution?"

[WinkyDink]

9. "Saddam was ALSO a Unitary Executive."

Or choose the dictator of your choice!

[wiggs]

25. GREAT line. Hope it gets used! nt

[mwb970]

36. You're right!

How about a list of recent "unitary executives" so we can see what kind of company the chimp wants to keep?

[helderheid]

10. This thread deserves to be on the greatest. One more vote anyone?

[Crunchy Frog]

11. OK. Done. n/t

[helderheid]

12. dank je wel!

:thumbsup:

[Genki]

13. If you're for the US Constitution

this is the pin you need to wear: www.pinsforpatriots.com

[annabanana]

27. I like it!. . . . ..n/t

[Genki]

29. thank you! n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. NYT Bob Herbert wrote a column that speaks to this strongly:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x183049
thread title (1-19-06 GD): NYT Bob Herbert on Gore's speech:"Who Will Stand Up for the Constitution?"

In addition to the Times Select link, I gave a free link in the opening post so that all can read this important editorial.

[Cleita]

16. The Constitution belongs to all Americans,

even those who feel it doesn't apply to them. They will appreciate it when they are called to justice.

[alittlelark]

18. The US Constitution is what Al Gore stood up for this week.

And he did it brilliantly.

[mom cat]

19. Support the Constitution. Keep fighting Alito! Use this weekend to

flood the senators with faxes and e-mails...we are turning the tide on this one.

[many a good man]

20. bush* is "pulling a Brownie" on the Constitution

Subverting the framework on which our government was built will cause its collapse.

Fanciful fringe ideologies like "unitary executive" seek to institutionalize cronyism, secrecy, and incompetence. In the name of strengthening national security they are actually sabotaging our ability to respond with reason and competency.

[H2O Man]

21. I agree.

It surprises me that democrats allow the republicans to get away with their little flag-burning routine, while they destroy the Constitution. The flag is a symbol, while the Constitution defines the reality of our way of life.

[rman]

22. It's the fundament of the freedoms for which Bush hates us so much.

[Marleyb]

23. yes!

Can you believe this bullshit theory of the "unitary executive" where as Alito stated the president has 'THE authority' or something like that. They should be declared traitors on the spot for suggesting such a 'theory'!!

[journalist3072]

26. Kicked and nominated, for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excellent, excellent point. The Constitution is a living and breathing document. It means something.

[alittlelark]

31. Where are DUer's on this?

[Catrina]

32. I agree with it completely ~ if we lose the Constitution, well, what would

we be? As Sen. Byrd said, the Constitution is protecting us each and every day, even when we are not aware of it.

The day he said that, a few months ago on Constitution Day, I believe, a friend called me very upset. Her car had been stolen, she had reported it, got a police report, informed her Insurance Co. iow, she did all that she was required to do. When the police found the car, it was damaged, she got the damage assessed and filed a claim.

The Insurance Co. assessor agreed that all was in order and her check would be sent out. Then she received forms from the Ins. Co. They asked her for information that had nothing to do with the claim. They wanted all records of her phone bills, electric bills, bank statements, savings, checking etc ~ and a multitude of other personal information. They also wanted her to sign a form stating that 'all copies of these 'proofs' would be considered originals.

She was shocked and called the agent and said she would not release such information to anyone. They said if she did not, her check would not be sent out. She needed it to get the car repaired, but was very upset about the intrusion into her personal life.

I remembered what Sen. Byrd had said. We wrote a letter to the company, with copies to her Representatives and the state AG stating that this was a violation of her 4th Amendment rights. She was not a criminal, and even a criminal would not be required to hand over, without probable cause, and a warrant, anything that did not relate to the case.

The 4th Amendment states that we should be 'secure' in our homes and 'papers'. She sent a copy to the Insurance Co. They were bribing her really, to get personal information that the law did not require to make a claim.

The Insurance Co. sent the check ~ without her having to comply with their demands. I realized that without the Constitution, she would have been forced to do something she did not want to do. They realized that she could take her case to court and probably win.

That's just one example of how the Constitution protects us that I experienced recently, thanks to Sen. Byrd! I am terrified to think what abuses there would be, if we did not have it.

Bush hates the Constitution ~ he is who the Founding Fathers feared when they wrote it. They knew there would be men like him who would grab power away from the people, so they wrote into it, as many protections against people like him, as they could.

The OP is absolutely right. Your are either for the Constitution or you are against America, imo. That's why the Patriot Act is so dangerous. I hope it can be rescinded as soon as possible.

[sweetheart]

33. not really "for" the constitution

I'm for the declaration of independence. I don't agree that the
constitution is working, or that it has been in power at all for
most of my life... so why would i support that?

Clearly the constitution is failed. I don't agree, I don't accept
a corporate slave state as the end product of an age of government
by the people.

But really, the constitution is so far away from what the fascist
experiment has become, there is little point in pretending that
a return to clinton corporatism is any different. Clinton too waged
illegal wars and a load of bad deeds, so i could hardly call him or
his DLC dems of defending the constitution. No, he helped further
undermine it.

Rats are chewing the constituion to bits and not amount of scotch
tape is gonna fix it. We need an upgrade from US-DOS 1.0

[tsuki]

34. The US Constitution. Love it or Leave. (I've waited 40 yrs to

say that.)

[Mossadeq]

35. This is where it gets tricky

I believe in country over family, I have told off my republican family memebers, told them to get fucked. They exposed themselves as being against our constitution. I told family members that if revolution broke out I would shoot them in the back before they could say don't shoot. There are 2 repubs in this large group.

I don't give a fuck anymore, these people are trying to ruin our country. I don't care who they are. Where ever I find a person that supports Bush I let em have it, no matter where I am. The last guy was at Home Depot, I layed into him in the parking lott, then spit at his feet. Fuck these people.

[alittlelark]

38. Wow.... I understand the frustration, but you need to calm down.

We are all in the same leaky ship, lets try not to shoot any more holes into it.:o