Is Mike Malloy over the top when he calls the GOP the American Nazi Party?

[benburch]

I say no.

[Cobalt Violet]

1. I say no too. n/t

[Hardrada]

2. Nein!!

[Swamp Rat]

4. Scheiße! Ich wollte den sagen!

[Hardrada]

10. Great Time cover!!

and GOP logo too. On another post I wondered if Karl Rove and the others will emulate the top Nazis and have cyanide teeth they will bite on to do themselves in once they are finally captured.

[Swamp Rat]

25. Hope Springs Eternal!

:D

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. He's right

The Nazis didn't start out by murdering. They began by being excessively patriotic, having scapegoats to blame problems on, lying, recruiting, using peer pressure to shut non-Nazis up, etc. Typical Republican stuff.

[northzax]

11. I suggest googling "Krystalnact" and "Reichstag"

and reading about the early days of the Nazi party, when they used violence and intimidation to gain power. Yes, the Nazi party started off murdering.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

15. By the time of Krystalnacht, it was already too F late

We are trying to avoid getting to the point of a Krystalnacht. But we will get there if we keep believing that somehow this administration is different from a Hitler and his Nazis.

[benburch]

20. And Bush didn't?

I'm not so sure he didn't have James Hatfield killed. Or Professor Don Wiley.

What was Iraq, then? Nobody murdered there?

What was 9/11? Not an opportunity for a Reichstag created by willful neglect?

[Cha]

5. I say Mike Malloy knows what

he's talking about.

[libodem]

6. NO!

History will see to that. This administration is going down in infamy like the Nazi party. They don't care they will be long gone. Living on euros somewhere.

[Hardrada]

12. If they get away from us!

[libnnc]

7. the nazi comparison works for me...

why mince words when it's a fact?

[northzax]

8. why yes, just the other day

I saw a line of Jews being marched off to their deaths. And homosexuals wearing pink triangles while working in slave labour camps. And don't get me started on the Gypsies.

please, it's a blatently offensive comparison. The Bushies may be powerhungry and ruthless, but I don't think they are actually evil on the level of the Nazi party. You can't really understand that level of evil without studying it and talking to people who experienced it. The lack of historical reference allows this comparison to happen. The Nazis were several things that the Bushies aren't: first off, they were competant. Second off, they had weapons of mass murder and used them. Third, they used national pride as a motivator for foreign conquest. Fourth, they not only lionized and politicized the military, they took care of the military. want me to keep going?

[benburch]

14. I think I know more Holocaust survivors than you imagine.

Most are gone now, sadly.

But I know the history of Nazi Germany intimately. Nazi Germany did not start out with death camps at the beginning.

I believe, however, that equivalent atrocities are coming here if we do not stop Bush NOW.

You really do believe that "it can't happen here", don't you? I wish I could.

-Ben

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. Precisely! Nazis did not start out murdering.

They started out with patriotic songs, scapegoating, using peer pressure to shut people up, manipulating the media, etc. They started out using the same techniques the Republicans are using here today.

[IChing]

24. Your four points proved our opinions

first off, they were competant.(in control of power ) check

Second off, they had weapons of mass murder and used them.(check, 100,000 dead)

Third, they used national pride as a motivator for foreign conquest.(check)

Fourth, they not only lionized and politicized the military, they took care of the military. want me to keep going?(check our generals and higher officers are doing well)

[Doctor_J]

32. The Jews weren't marched off to the death camps until near the end

of the 3rd Reich - it was "The Final Solution". You're sense of the sequence of things in Germany is way off. And secondly, don't you think the USAF was used as a weapon of mass destruction against Iraq?!?

[Common Sense Party]

36. The Repukes used to say Clinton was a Stalinist

Loved comparing him/lumping him together with Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot. Implied he was a Communist trying to take away freedoms, get rid of capitalism.

They sounded stupid and childish when they leveled those charges.

[northzax]

40. and let's not forget "Hitlery" nt

[Catrina]

79. They didn't just sound stupid, they were and still are. There was no

comparison to Clinton and Pol Pot, nor did he give anyone any reason to believe he was. Stupid is too kind a word.

I wonder why you are defending the comparison of this administration to Hitler, though? You're aware of Gunatanamo Bay, and the assertion that the president has the right, simply by declaring that an individual is an 'enemy combatant' to make him disappear forever, with no access to the outside world, to his family, to any judicial system??

Then there is the demonizing of Muslims, 'ragheads' ~ 'treat the Iraqis like dogs, otherwise you'll lose control of them' ~ Gen. Miller, who set up the Gitmo 'program' and then went on to Abu Ghraib, after which the Iraqis were indeed, treated like dogs. 'Spreading democracy and winning hearts and minds' ~ the Bush way.

The demonizing of gays, liberals, and anyone who disagrees with them as 'traitors'. I don't recall that during the Clinton administration.

All these things happened in Germany, way before they got to the 'final solution'. They had to get the people 'softened up' first. A friend from Germany, who was a child at the time, told me recently that she has had nightmares as what's happening here now, is very similar to what happened there. Many people who saw the potential for an escalation, left before it was too late, she said.

Others, like you, did not believe it would ever get that bad. They were 'uneasy' but didn't want to admit that it could get worse. By the time they realized it could, it was too late for many.

However, since the neocons themselves have expressed their admiration for Fascism and Machiavelli, (google Michael Ledeen and Fascism) I would probably compare this administration to Mussolini's regime, rather than Hitler's. And I believe they would be quite flattered by the comparison.

They also want complete World dominance and have said openly (their spokesperson Ledeen is again a good source for this) that he 'can't think of a region that more deserves to be turned into a cauldron, than the entire ME.' Just this week, he was pushing for the invasion of Iran, then Syria, Lebanon, and even S. Arabia. They will then move on to Africa and S. America.

Fascism suits them better, as they are all for the Corporate state. They have said that Fascism failed the first time because 'it wasn't done right'.

'The people need to be lied to', so say the neocons 'for the good of the state'!

I am not willing to wait to see if these lunatics mean what they wrote. I've seen enough to believe they definitely did mean it. The bodies and the torture chambers are piling up, with more in the plans. They're well on their way to accomplishing their goals ~ they are would-be Fascists, and have said so. What more do we need to know?

[TahitiNut]

91. So, Bush isn't a Nazi because Clinton wasn't a Stalinist, huh?

Yeah... that makes sense. :eyes: :eyes:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

56. gays, muslims, and dissidents...

how can you NOT see the parallels??!!

You think the Nazi's just magically appeared right before WWII? You have to look 10 years back... YES.

[northzax]

60. I did mention Gays, if you read it.

I don't see Muslims or Gays being marched off anywhere. Besides some harrassment by Freepers and their ilk, Gays are more accepted as part of society today than at any time in the past. Sure, it's not where it should be, but it is moving forward. Ask any gay person over 50 if they would rather be gay today than in 1976 or 1986.

whatever. You think the Bushies are Nazis, and you're posting about it on a message board. would you like me to tune your fiddle for you?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

68. yes, I post on DU.... AND

I volunteer to help change the election system, AND I pass out real news to the masses, AND I speak up in public whenever I hear some damn right-wing talking point falling out of someone's mouth, AND I have black friends who are feeling more racism now than they ever have in their lives, AND I help them fight that, AND I sign petitions AND I have spoken to survivors of the Third Reich (who are scared shitless, btw, cause they've seen this happen before), AND I teach my children that the NAZI'S STARTED SMALL AND IF WE AREN'T CAREFUL THEY WILL TAKE OVER THE USA TOO!!!!

The Neo-con's learned this at Levi Strauss school of NAZI-ISM!

Fascism is Fascism - no matter how they try to pretty it up.

Now that I'm done with that little rant... were you not paying attention after 911 when thousands of Muslims were marched off to interrogation rooms.... because they were Muslim?


WHAT ARE YOU DOING??! besides tuning fiddles? hmmm?

On edit - I forgot to address your point about Gays. I have several gay friends.... they feel like we have gone back-wards starting ohhhh, about 2000. They feel more ostracized now than they did 6 years ago.

PAY ATTENTION! They are trying to take us back-wards!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

66. If you don't believe that the NeoCon Junta is a fascist government....

...by now, then you never will.

I don't know what else they have to do for you to get a clue.

[Marr]

83. I have to assume that was dry satire.

I mean, seriously. The modern Republican Party is different from the Nazi regime because they haven't 'used national pride as a motivator for foreign conquest'? Got any friends in the military? If so, give them a call this weekend. I'll bet you $20 they're not mowing their lawns.

[greiner3]

86. I think you may be wrong;

They will pass laws regarding the 10 commandments. They will defeat Roe and put in jail, if not execute anyone getting an abortion. Your jest about the pink triangle signs will come to pass. Bush has no code of conduct and may well be a sociopath. I just hope not!

[rman]

102. of course it offends * - what's the problem with that?

[SnoopDog]

9. I think it is important to realize that...

the ones in power are not Republicans or Conservatives or Democrats or even 'neo-cons'.

Pure and simple, they are evil murderous thieves who have perpetrated the biggest crime in the history of the world. They have infiltrated the media (the only ones who literally could save us), the Executive, the House, the Judiciary, and the Congress. And these bastards are almost getting away with it.

These people 'choose' Republicans/Conservatives because of many reasons: 1) I hate to say this, republicans are more evil than most and 2) I hate to say this too, they are more religious - they believe in invisible cloud beings - they will believe almost anything. (Note: to the truly spiritual amongst us - oh shit, you already no I do not mean you)...

So no, they are not GOP or even Nazis. They are the most evil people to walk the earth.

And I bought my first gun last week...

[MamaBear]

13. Not at all.

I listen to Mike for the Truth. I'd be really disappointed in him if he no longer told it as he sees it.

[phaseolus]

16. Yes, maybe a little over the top, BUT...

...in today's America that the right has made, that's how you do political discourse. If the other side has no shame when Coulter says the things she does, which are MUCH WORSE than anything Malloy's ever said, they can't begrudge us a few Malloys on our side.

[leftstreet]

17. I don't know. Hitler/Nazis actually built an empire out of a poor country

Bush/Crime Associates are doing the exact opposite. They're looting and destroying a perfectly good country.

[Hardrada]

21. More than one country!

Such is their soulless talent.

[Mr_Spock]

19. I like Mike

It's a duck.

[EFerrari]

22. No. not at all. n/t

[laststeamtrain]

23. Nah. It's the orchestral Pink Floyd that sucks the worst.

[Oeditpus Rex]

26. The fact that I believe clicking 'If it quacks like a duck'

could bring two henchmen in cheap suits, shoes and sunglasses to my front door makes it a duck.

[jmatthan]

27. Ask Sensenberger!

eom

[Ikonoklast]

28. Fifty years from now

There will be interviews with very old men who will say,

"But we were just being Patriotic Americans! Who knew then that it would lead to a global disaster?"
"I would have stopped him myself back then if I knew it would have saved the lives of hundreds of millions!"
"After all, the clergy was behind him, and they knew what was best for us, they told us so every Sunday."
"We thought thought that it was best not to say anything, as everyone was afraid of being declared disloyal."
"There were rumors of dissenters disappearing, but no one seemed to care as they were 'fringe' elements of our society."

Can't happen here?

It is happening before our very eyes.

The Nazis never were fully defeated. They were re-invented.

[northzax]

29. a gentle reminder to everyone who thinks this

you have a moral obligation to do anything in your power to prevent a holocaust. you have a moral obligation to kill, and to die, to prevent it. If you really believe that there is an equivalence between the Bush Cabal and the Nazi party, and you aren't engaging in violent revolution to stop it, then you are culpable. Why talk about elections? they aren't going to give up power, buy a gun, get into the streets and start killing them. That's the only thing that could stop the Nazis, none of this crap about peaceful protest or elections, that shit won't work.

Look, millions of people died at the hands of, and eventually stopping, the Nazis. And you're sitting here posting on a fucking message board? Innocent people were murderd, decent people put themselves on the line, facing a horrible fate, to do any little thing to resist. And you post on a message board? Imagine how life would have been different if someone had taken up arms against the Brownshirts in 1933? But no, no one saw it coming. Well, you say you see it coming, and instead of risking something, risking anything to stop the coming holocaust, or at least taking steps to wash your hands of the blood, you post on a message board?

I can only think of three reasons why someone who thinks the Nazis are in power isn't using any means neccesary to do something about it: 1: you don't care. 2: you are a coward. 3: you don't actually believe this.

So which one is it? 1, 2, or 3?


for the record, I am not advocating violent revolution or any use of violence, but then I don't see the same things others do, apparently.

[Common Sense Party]

37. Wow. Thanks for the moral clarity.

Refreshing.

There is a difference between a corrupt, lying, incompetent, power-grabbing administration in a democratic republic...and a murderous, totalitarian regime of pure evil.

A huge difference.

How tragic that far too many people fail to see the distinction.

[rman]

100. how's * not murderous, totalitarian and pure evil?

and how is the US a democracy?

[benburch]

38. I think you would be surprised.

More is being done than you see.

[northzax]

39. sure, whatever

bring me the head of your local republican party, quite literally, or shut up about it.

so I guess that puts you in the 'coward' camp?

[benburch]

41. You assume a revolution requires violence?

Interesting.

[northzax]

42. as I recall

D-Day wasn't a pillow fight.

[benburch]

44. Nope.

But Ghandi showed us what can be done by refusing.

And so did Solidarity in Poland.

[northzax]

49. bad examples

both were facing foreign occupation and oppression by a failing corrupt foreign power that couldn't sustain occupation in the face of passive resistance. When such measures were taken against the same powers when they were in more control, they were destroyed (see: Prague and Budapest) In both cases, it was cheaper and easier for the occupying powers to simple give up and walk away, after a certain period of time had passed. The British in the 50s were not prepared to use excessive violence in India, and Gorbachev's Soviet Union was not prepared to use violence to maintain control of Poland.

Do you know what the Nazis did to peaceful protesters? they put them on train cars and shipped them out. If the British were as ruthless as the Nazis, Ghandi would have been killed upon his return from South Africa. If Gorbachev was as ruthless as Stalin, Lech Walesa would have vanished in 1982.

So what are you facing, here? a truely evil and ruthless government, or a teetering one that is falling to pieces?

[benburch]

55. As you will.

If you prefer violence, then by all means, but I'll be a revolutionary in my own way, thank you.

[northzax]

57. and if they're really Nazis

you will lose. Which means you don't think they really are Nazis, or you are comfortable with the idea of losing. Speak German, do you?

[benburch]

59. I am comfortable with refusing to cooperate

And I don't believe that will lose.

But I do believe it will be expensive, The White Rose, after whom I named my website, were beheaded.

[hfojvt]

70. das ist nicht kuehl

warum ist Deutsch herabsetzen?
Aber nein, ich spreche nur ein bisschen Deutsch.

Okay fine, so the comparison is hyperbolic. I still think it is useful to distinguish Bush/Gingrich type Republicans from Rockefeller/Eisenhauer/Ford Republicans. It is a hard right shift, and one which would not be supported by many rank and file republicans, to say nothing of swing voters. Call them on it now before it really does need to be decided by guns. The Republican party that I grew up with is not the same. It has become something else. If American Nazi Party is not a good label, then what is? It is certainly more fascist than it used to be.

[Common Sense Party]

47. You assume that Hitler's Reich could have been defeated

*without* violence?

Interesting.

[benburch]

51. Yes, I really do.

But only if it had started early enough.

[Common Sense Party]

58. Well, as I said, that's interesting.

My feeble mind can't really picture the Third Reich just folding and calling it quits in response to some people TALKING about how bad the Nazis were.

I think if a Gandhi had appeared in the Nazi's way during Hitler's buildup, he would have been gassed or shot in the head without a second thought.

[Zodiak]

95. 'Tis true

One of the main factors in Hitler's rise to power was a failure of the opposition parties in grouping ogether to stop Hitler electorally. When it was still a Democracy, Germany could have stopped him....they chose not to because they thought he was so crazy he would implode.

Sound familiar?

[Marr]

84. *edit*

No need to repeat myself.

[ncteechur]

30. Nope! They are fascist Nazi shit holes!

[Servotron]

31. I thought Scotty McClellan was the one who quacked like a duck?

quack quack quack
quack quack quack
he led the others
with a quack quack quack

But yes, the path taken by the Bush Criminal Empire is definitely parallel to that taken by Hitler. The mistake people make in reacting to the Hitler comparisons, is to remember Hitler in the past tense, after the war. When there were millions dead (in addition to those killed in the war it took to stop him). That point of view ignores the fact that it took YEARS for Hitler to reach that level of evil, and the steps he took to get there.

[Nomen Tuum]

33. Show me the difference between Nazis and Republicans

I cannot see any differences...

[northzax]

34. read post 29

what's your excuse?

a refresher: cowardice, sympathy, or bullshit? which one is yours?

[Strelnikov_]

46. Um, Tell Me Again Why We Have To Assign Ourselves To One Of Your

little categories?

And, yes, I think they are using propaganda techniques used by the Nazi's. Does that make them Nazi's. No. But their tactics are still disgusting and repulsive.

And, yes, I think Malloy can call them Nazi's if he wants to. It's a free country. Lord knows, liberals and progressives have been called a lot worse by the right over the years.

[northzax]

52. sure, he can call them Elvis Impersonators if he wants to

I'm not arguing with his right to do that, simply that anyone who believes him should really be doing something about it. you obviously fall into category 3, not really thinking that they are Nazis, that's fine. It's the people who claim they are Nazis (not using some Fascist techniques, but straight up Nazis) who need a gut check.

[Servotron]

64. Nazi Elvis Impersonators?

Well, there used to be this band called "Elvis Hitler".....



.....but I never thought they were actually Nazis.

[Nomen Tuum]

97. While you sit back and do nothing?

If you won't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. As the old saying goes

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

[bigtree]

43. hitlerove

[zulchzulu]

45. The use of the term "Nazi" is a tad amateurish to me

It's easy pulling out the "Nazi" card.

I would suggest something a bit more witty that using "Nazi". Rush Limpole uses it...a lot of the Repugs use it...I personally consider using the term "Nazu" a bit uncreative.

Using the term "Rethuglican", "Chimpozombie", "Neocondroid", "NeoStalinist"...these are better.

Perhaps instead of using Hitler/Nazis as a term, stick more with using either Stalin, sheep or knuckledraggers...

[Strelnikov_]

48. Yes, Nazi Does Carry Too Much Baggage With It

NeoChinese may be the closest definition, as they seem to admire the current Chinese system of unregulated capitalism in a single party state.

[Servotron]

53. Actually, it's really a hybrid of many things.

They're definitely following Hitler's playbook in terms of how they came to power, and how they have increased their power at the expense of the American people.

But they have also blended in the Mussolini style corporatism, the Stalinistic oppression and media control, and the Orwellian doublespeak, straight out of 1984.

It's a virtual poutporri of fascism.

[Nabia2004]

69. You nailed it - nt

I totally agree.

[upi402]

50. recommended

:toast:

[thecai]

54. NO. That's EXACTLY What It Is

Fascist nazi GOPs.

[Check12]

61. George = Colonel Clink

Hogaannn!!!

[Zinfandel]

62. Its a duck!!!

[Peter Frank]

65. Perfectly said... n/t

[Peter Frank]

63. Absolutely NOT Over the Top -- Here's My Logic...

The very definition of fascism is the radical right. Who's more radically right than the cast of characters in power in all three branches of our government; Executive (president), Legislative (congress), and Judicial (federal court) -- the Executive branch in particular.

In the Executive, we have the ultra-RW PNAC oligarchy which (under Cheney) has proved over an over again it's eagerness to seize any & all power within its reach and far beyond its reach, and Constitutional parameters.

If this planned consolidation of Presidential power continues to go unchecked in the world's greatest democracy and only remaining superpower -- the implications are clear.

America will not only follow down the oppressive/destructive road of every malconceived fascist nation in history ...she will lead the entire world into bloody chaos. The signs this are already alarmingly evident.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

73. This post explains it all. nt

[Bushwick Bill]

67. If nothing else, please scan wikipedia.

This dovetails with a lot of the things Mike has been talking about. It is so scary when you look at it. Read this section on consolidation of power and tell me it doesn't ring bells. And, yes, I know the Bush regime is not engaging in mass extermination here (if you don't count Katrina). But, they surely export it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany#Consolidation_of_power

[LittleClarkie]

71. Oh, he's over the top most of the time. That's his gig.

As it is for most radio personalities. That's how they get listeners.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

72. Again, the Nazis did not arrive killing, it was GRADUAL, like the GOP

Prior to things getting very bad under the Nazis, many Germans, even Jewish Germans, were saying, "Oh these are fascists, but this will all blow over." It didn't blow over. It increasingly got worse and worse, censorship, scapegoating, etc. We need to stop thinking that somehow this is different because this could never happen to us. The beginning of it has already happened.

[Imagevision]

74. Bushco lied thru their teeth to invade Iraq - while bombs dropped

Bush was reported raising his clenched fist in the air watching the invasion unfold in the white house.

[seemslikeadream]

75. "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer, ein Volk"

One People, one Empire, one Leader, one People



One Hope, One people, One country, One leader.
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny.

Stand up be brave my people we're here to stay, for a thousand years.
An oath you've spoken, can never be broken, you'll pay, in blood and tears
Never tire, never doubt, never falter, never slacken, Just believe in me.
Stand up, shout loud, stand proud, in what we will we will achieve.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk.

It's not enough just to say you love your country, its not enough.
It's not enough to get down on your knees and pray, it's just not enough.

The price is high, the price you have to pay is your freedom, surrender yourselves.
Mothers send me your blue-eyed blonde-haired boys and let me see them, blue-eyed blonde-haired boys.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free.
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher, Ein Volk.

One Hope, One people, One country, One leader will set you free
One Hope, One people, One country, One destiny for a thousand years.

[sarcasmo]

76. Kick and Nom # 5 for the Nazi party.

I feel this google thing will prove what these Nazi's are all about.

[MODemocrat]

77. No, he's not over the top, he's absolutely right

It was Bush who said "it would be a heck of alot easier if this were a dictatorship, and I was the dictator." It's as if they've done everything possible to turn in into a dictatorship, and they seem to be succeeding with their unharnessed power.

[John Q. Citizen]

78. I prefer the term "Corporatists" but it means

the same thing.

Benito Mussolini said the term "Fascist" was a misnomer. He said corporatist was a better description.

[benburch]

80. So, the result of this poll...

Says that 95% of DU readers really believe that the Bush Cabal is some sort of fascism, and 88% believe they most closely resemble the Nazis.

So, people. What to do about this?

I firmly believe that we need to set ourselves up as a nationwide non-violent passive resistance.

What does this mean?

It means refusing to do the things that feed our rulers, and when one is forced to do something for them, do it so slowly and poorly that it has no effect. If you work for a defense contractor, quit or slow down. If you work for the government, quit or slow down. If you are in the military, declare yourself a CO and refuse to fight.

Learn to live like you have no money. Spend as little as you can. Barter for things if you can. Make do with the things you have; Fix them, Use them up, or do without. Learn to use Freecycle.org. Plant a garden. Turn the thermostat WAY down in the winter, and in the summer learn to live with fans and open windows again.

Tell others about your method of resistance, and encourage them to take part. Mass protests will make you feel good, but they are never reported in the media and so have little impact. It is much better to "network" with those around you, and get them to take part in a passive resistance than to make paper mache W heads.

Will you do this? Then YOU are now an official member of the Revolution. You have work, soldier. Get busy.

[yowzayowzayowza]

81. Welp, iirc the third largest ...

political party prior to WWII was the Fascist Party of America. Where do ya think they went? We certainly didn't bomb the daylights outa them. Where'd ya think, fer example, the son of the President of the Fascist Party of NY ended up?

[dogday]

82. This was not a spur of the moment plan

This plan has been in the works for generations, I doubt any of us even know the extent of it and how far they are willing to take it.

[greiner3]

85. Forgot the ol' GOOSE stepping! n/t

[zippy890]

87. not sure about what

Mussolini's Fasci di Combattimento is, but it has the right sound to it
to describe the GOP
:hi:

[tavalon]

88. Jan of 2004

I created a sig line that I used throughout 2004 and of course, had to retire it but it speaks for itself as to how I felt over two years ago. My point of view has, if anything, strengthened:

It's not 1984, it's not even 2004, it's 1934 and I am not a good German. Terri(2004)

[Beelzebud]

89. He's 100% CORRECT.

[deutsey]

90. There are many forms of fascism beyond Nazism

American Fascist Party is more accurate.

[PATRICK]

92. The narrow historical definition

shows special differences. however, the GOP in order to deflect attention away from the Hitler sympathizers who provided support and educate the American people in simpler terms, did not waste time labeling Communists as "Nazis" and "Fifth Columnists". Historical accuracy was not one of their major concerns in the fifties.

But the term stings against them in fact because of the personalities, the ideologies, the cultism, the methods and the results. And more especially for being lumped with the last century's biggest monster LOSERS of mankind's very recognizable corporatist and thuggish criminal right wing.

To educate the American people then is a precedent set under loose standards in the fifties against socialists of all stripes and Democrats and much more apropos no matter how pure the analogy.

Set Scalia against any Nuremberg judge, Rove versus Goebbels, Rumsfeld . And strangely, many of them have direct linkage back to the bad old days of fascism.

[deutsey]

93. Of course, the Bushes also have those unsavory direct links with

fascism in the '30s and '40s.

Mere coincidence, I'm sure.

[rndmprsn]

94. THEY DONT THINK TWICE ABOUT CALLING US COMMUNISTS

i call them fascists every opportunnity i get.

[yurbud]

96. YES--nazis had some style, snappy uniforms, and chutzpah

these guys are an unpleasant mix of hillbillies and furtive guys in suits, who won't make the great villains in movies for decades that the Nazis did.

These guys are Nazi wannabees, Nazabees.

[in_cog_ni_to]

98. NO! He's SPOT ON and the Religious RWers are the AMERICAN TALIBAN!

:grr:

[DanCa]

99. I am as guilty of name calling as anyone else.

Ideally as a society we should be above this sort of thing but hate has a rubber band effect. We call Bush Hitler they call Moore OBL is there any way to stop this rubber band of hate? Shit rolls down hill so I geuss the answer is no. I'll say one thing good about GWB he has really made me appreciate his old man, though I disagree with the former president 100 percent on almost every issue things weren't this bad from a name calling stand point.

[PATRICK]

101. OK how about Napoleon?

Tolstoy's searing portrait pretty much goes with the typical Bushista mentality if not the talent. People don't see it as an insult and put it more in the "greatness" model Washingtonian insiders see on every Capitol step. But again, neither Hitler nor Napoleon were chickenhawks.

The Roman Emperors exhibited the same social disease as have most petty dictators before and since, the cult of Moi, the divinity, the imperial structure and all the usual methods, effects, evils and decline.

[jmowreader]

103. He's not over the top, but he IS misinformed

Please don't call the GOP the American Nazi Party. That's because there already IS an American Nazi Party. And they're a hell of a lot better than the GOP...which, considering that the American Nazi Party is slime, is pretty bad.

http://www.americannaziparty.com

There are major differences between the GOP and the American Nazi Party...

* The American Nazi Party comes right out and tells you who they hate. The GOP is very subtle--one must infer that George Bush hates black people. Rocky Suhayda, on the other hand, will tell you to your face that he hates black people.
* The American Nazi Party is in favor of a healthy environment, children's welfare and freedom to believe as you wish without interference from the government. The GOP as it is currently configured is busy rolling back every environmental protection measure that's ever been enacted, figures children are on their own the second their feet hit air, and believe every American has the right to believe in Jesus Christ and George Bush.
* The Nazis are totally against outsourcing; the GOP has enacted tax incentives for doing it.
* The American Nazi Party has a sense of humor--they sell reproductions of some of their publications, "personal checks will be breaded and fried." The GOP to date has not exhibited such.
* The Nazis, loathsome though they are, occasionally exhibit glimmers of common sense, such as http://www.americannaziparty.com/news/index.php?report_date=2006-01-08. This is a diatribe on Welfare that does a very strange thing: it points out that almost none of the people who are on Welfare actually WANT to be on Welfare. Who the fuck wants to be poor--the state Welfare keeps you in? Contrast that to the Repugs, who think all welfare recipients drive Cadillacs down to pick up their welfare checks. (Okay, I'll admit it: some of them DO drive Cadillacs. Cadillacs that were made in 1972 and run on five cylinders, but Cadillacs nonetheless. Come on: it's just a huge gas-guzzling used car that you can pick up for $200.)
* The American Nazi Party's candidate has won as many presidential elections as has George Bush. Unfortunately, due to some strange quirk in the cosmic continuum, George Bush has been sent to the White House twice. No one knows why. The American Nazi candidate has never been sent to the White House. Everyone knows why: he's a fucking Nazi.

Why do we need to delineate the GOP as an "American" Nazi Party? Let's just call 'em nazis and be done with it. That's what they are.

[Hardrada]

104. Interesting points. Thanks!

[Mme. Defarge]

105. Remember the close ties

between the Ku Klux Klan and the Republican Party during the 20th Century. I have often wondered if Hitler got some of his white supremecist, racist ideas, from the Klan.

[orleans]

106. okay, who are those 11% that voted yes? n/t

[benburch]

107. Lurking freepers, pink tu-tu democrats, and those so politically correct..

that reality does not enter into their opinions about the world.

[orleans]

111. (smile) "pink tu tu democrats"

um, that would be my daughter when she was three years old in ballet class.

[northzax]

113. reality? ok then

I guess I will go put on my tu-tu.

[WildEyedLiberal]

115. You're a coward if you don't namecall Bush on an internet message board

You girly man! You spineless DINO! Vichy Democrat! Sieg Heil!

:eyes:

[northzax]

116. you forgot the 'anonymous' part

while I will stand by everything I have written on this board (and you can find me with my handle, if you try) I try not to insult people behind a cloak of anonymity. Seems ungentelmenly to me.

[benburch]

118. No anonymity here.

You know my name.

[WildEyedLiberal]

119. Anonymous wouldn't fit into the subject line :P

And yes, anything I've ever said on DU I would be perfectly willing to say to that person's face (whether a fellow DUer or a public official). I read some of the comments here directed at some Democrats and I know 90% of the posters would never have the spine to talk that shit to the person's face.

Whether anyone here would actually call Bush a Nazi is sort of irrelevant, since if they did, they would just end up making a royal fool of themselves. I reject the premise that you can't oppose Bush without indulging in extreme and deliberately inflammatory empty rhetoric.

[WildEyedLiberal]

114. Horseshit

Calling neocons "Nazis" immediately marginalizes the left. It's well known that in any argument, the first person to call his opponent a "Nazi" loses. Why? Because "Nazi" is equivalent to "Satan" in terms of hyperbole and hysterics.

If you really want to change this country, sitting around and making the left look stupid by calling Bushies "Nazis" is about the most counterproductive thing I can think of. Like someone upthread said, if 95% of DU really thinks neocons are honest-to-God SS Waffen Nazis, there is NO excuse to not be out in the streets RIGHT NOW.

But of course, you dismiss anyone who disagrees with these hysterics as a "lurking freeper" or "pink tutu Democrat" which is not only sexist and unbefitting a so-called "progressive," but extremely laughable - "anyone who doesn't engage in juvenile name-calling of Bush is a COWARD!"

Excuse me, but I think there are about a million better ways to oppose Bush than calling him a "Nazi." Is this what passes for "courage" on the left now? One's willingness to sound like an idiot and say radically incendiary things on an anonymous message board? Real freedom fighters would be embarassed.

[benburch]

120. Notice how few people here agree with you on this?

This is because he actually IS a Nazi.

[WildEyedLiberal]

122. So I'm supposed to be a DU sheeple and go with the crowd?

I guess having one's own mind is overrated. :eyes:

And it IS the height of juvenility to call anyone who is not actually an adherent of the Nazi Party doctrine as outlined by Hitler's junta a Nazi.

To summarize:

Nazi:





Not a Nazi:




Fascist? Most likely. But a honest-to-God Aryan pride/Jew exterminiating/Heil Hitler NAZI? That's just laughable, as evidenced by your feeble attempts to convince me. (Everyone else here believes it so you should too? Is this high school peer pressure all over again?)

[bpilgrim]

125. he's a fascist - why quibble on talk radio?

more...
http://GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[WildEyedLiberal]

132. Hah - that's the same pic I found, that's weird

While I don't think Bush is a Nazi.... that is a funny pic. :P

He IS a fascist - that's not hyperbole, and I can completely back that up with facts (the 14 points of fascism and all that). That is why I prefer when people call him a fascist as opposed to a Nazi, which just gets shot down immediately.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

121. lurking freepers & pink tu-tu democrats lol

May I borrow that? :toast:

[benburch]

134. Certainly. nt

[Festivito]

108. Over the top of his broadcasting table. /nt

[LSdemocrat]

109. What made the Nazis the most evil regime was the Holocaust, not Fascism

Fascism was a means to an end. There have been plenty of fascists throughout history. Nearly all of them don't deserve to be compared to the Nazis. 12 million dead in the holocaust and millions more dead in WWII. That is the legacy of the German Nazi Party, not fascism and mere love of war and power.

[benburch]

110. I disagree.

There is no ethical distance between murdering 100,000 innocents, as Bush** has certainly done and murdering 5+ Million as Hitler did. The only difference is the scale of the operation. And you know, I believe that though Bush is a bit slow, he is well on the way to catching up if we permit it.

[northzax]

112. yes, there is a difference

or are you saying that there is no ethical difference between Adolf Hitler and Franklin Roosevelt? Roosevelt, after all, oversaw the fireboming of Dresden and Tokyo, killing roughly 250,000 innocent civilians. And there is no moral difference between Harry Truman who ordered the atomic bombs over Nagasaki and Hiroshima that killed over 150,000 innocent civilians?

So let me get this straight. According to the good people of the White Rose Society, there is no moral difference between Franklin Roosevelt and Adolf Hitler.

or maybe you have some sort orf explanation for the difference between the two?

[benburch]

117. Only to a degree.

Bush made war for purely political ends and ordered the deaths of innocent people from a nation that never had and never could have attacked us.

Roosevelt and Truman were engaged in a war against allied nations which had attacked us directly, had the capacity to continue to attack us, and had designs on most of our allies.

However, Dresden was possibly an atrocity, even if it was to settle the score for Coventry. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were possibly atrocities. I can understand why they seemed necessary at the time, but people of good will differ on that score. War presents severe problems to those who wish to fight ethically, and often the other side can take advantage of such ethical impulses to gain a tactical or strategic advantage.

No people of good will differ on either the Holocaust or on the Iraq war. Both are atrocities not to the slightest justified by the necessity of a defensive war.

[bpilgrim]

128. FASCISM led to the death of 50 million during wwII

nazis certainly were a particular breed of evil but their fascist ideology is what drove them to these monstrous policies where ever they were practiced.

peace

[Sarah Ibarruri]

123. Naziism began like Bush's administration:

Censoring, secretly manipulating, threatening, glorifying the attacks on other countries, wrapping themselves in patriotism to scapegoat dissenters, designing a way to eliminate the freedom of ideas, glorifying a limited and very fake idea of housewife-father of the house family, outlawing abortion, and much more.

The Nazis developed their monstrous administration over years. Years passed before Nazis began burning human beings to exterminate them. How cocky and stupid of us to not realize that the Holocaust can happen here.

[Imagevision]

124. The american Nazi party knowingly gave our troops contaminated water

while spewing "support our troops" BS.

[sweetm2475]

126. Nope. NOT at all.

Mike Malloy speaks for me.

[Nutmegger]

127. FOURTEEN POINTS OF FASCISM!!!

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Cheers!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

135. Very good website. nt

[0007]

129. Mike is right on target

[geomon666]

130. HELL...NO!

He's the only man I know with a public forum that's calling it like it is.

[Swamp Rat]

131. Mike is kicking ass RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHO'S KILLING THE INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN??? :mad:

[bpilgrim]

133. ---------- -------- ------- -------- -------- > MP3

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/aar/mm/bush-quotes-01-23-06-aar-mm.mp3

for the record ;->

:hi: Swamp Rat, great creepy image, shiver :toast:

peace