Cheney: Early Iraq pullout 'ruinous' to US security

[sabra]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28360985.htm

Cheney: Early Iraq pullout 'ruinous' to US security

WASHINGTON, Aug 28 (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney on Monday seized on Democratic calls to pull troops out of Iraq to draw an election-year link between early withdrawal and the possibility of terrorist attacks in the United States.

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"Some in our own country claim retreat from Iraq would satisfy the appetite of the terrorists and get them to leave us alone," Cheney told a Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Reno, Nevada. "A precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would be ... a ruinous blow to the future security of the United States."

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"They overlook a fundamental fact. We were not in Iraq on Sept. 11, 2001, but the terrorists hit us anyway," he said, in a reference to the hijacked plane attacks that killed almost 3,000 people.

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He suggested critics were naive and did not understand the magnitude of the threats.

"Some might look at these ambitions and wave them off as extreme and mad," he said. "Well, these ambitions are extreme and they are mad. They are also real and we must not wave them off, we must take them seriously."

Cheney said he welcomed the vigorous debate over Iraq but added: "There is a difference between healthy debate and self-defeating pessimism. "We have only two options on Iraq - victory or defeat - and this nation will not pursue a policy of retreat."

:crazy:

[TheFriedPiper]

1. How ironic: if his father had pulled out early, it would HELP security

because this bonehead wouldnt be around to sell out our security to the war machine.

[BOSSHOG]

2. As opposed to self-defeating optimism ???

Too bad your daddy didn't pullout dick; because he didn't you have been ruinous to the nation. Warmest regards from a veteran to a five deferment cowardly sack of shit.

[Ino]

3. Cheney overlooks a fundamental fact...

We were not in Spain on 9/11, but the terrorists hit us anyway.

[wicket]

4. The Bush/Cheney cabal are ruinous to the future of the USA

n/t

[Joe for Clark]

5. Maybe hes right - if he really thinks so I am sure

he could get a 2nd Lts commission right now and go directly to Baghdad to help out.

But I bet he has 5 more deferments lined up at any give time.

Joe

[SutaUvaca]

6. DUH!!

we were not in Iraq and the terrorists hit us anyway!!!
Yeah Numnuts, we know already - Iraq had nothing to do with that.
Damn, how many ways will this monster continue to sell the public the lie of connection between Iraq and 9/11???
Surely one of the newly ballsy journalists or Dem Senators will call him on this stupid statement.

[annabanana]

7. Cheney 'ruinous' to the United States. . . . . .n/t

[louis-t]

8. Grrrr, when will this evil man shut up!

What does he mean, "we were not in Iraq on Sept. 11 and they attacked us anyway"? What's that supposed to mean? That justifies going to Iraq? He welcomes "vigorous debate" as long as everyone agrees that he's right? He's condemning "vigorous debate" every time he opens that snarling hole in his face.

[driver8]

9. Cheney: "Early Iraq pullout ruinous to my kickback from Haliburton."

I think I hate that man more than Junior...if that is possible.

[bdamomma]

31. remember cheney and rumsfeld are running the show and they have a

vendetta against anyone who disagrees with them, and they hate how Nixon was pushed out of office. ruinous???????who is more ruinous than this regime.

and why don't they get off Iraq equating them with terrorists and 9/11 it was 19 terrorists from Saudi Arabia.

[grytpype]

10. Nothing he says makes a damned bit of sense.

He's nuts. He's just nuts.

[MrModerate]

11. I'd like this dickwad to point to . . .

ANYONE who's ever said that "retreat from Iraq would satisfy the appetite of the terrorists."

I'm sure the terminally deranged he was speaking to agreed, "yeah those guys who say terrorist appetites can be satisfied need to be sitting at a different buffet!" Heh, heh.

This is so crazed that I wonder if Dickie can even last 'til 2008 before they have to put him in a rubber room.

"Yes, Dick, SOME PEOPLE say you're a bush-league Beelzebub and are looking forward to the day you spontaneously combust."

[SutaUvaca]

12. Who?, Cheneyass. Who claims?

"Some in our own country claim retreat from Iraq would satisfy the appetite of the terrorists and get them to leave us alone,"
Oh yeah, headdick?? Who claims this. .."satisfy the appetite of terrorists"... Why don't you put words into the mouths of those who are on to your deceitful shit, why don't you. You do it because so many stupid stupid Americans think you've actually spouted wisdom with such made up crap.

Damn, where is my VP voodoo doll when I need it. :mad:


(ah, MrModerate - ya beat me to it.)

[Hubert Flottz]

13. Hell he shoots his friends...he'd be too destructive to send to Iraq

Halliburton couldn't make any money if everyone in the Middle East was dead! He'd shoot the generals and everybody!

[warrens]

14. And being in Iraq discourages them HOW, Dickieboy?

All we're doing is making them more confident and more pissed off and less rational. You can't ever be totally safe. If we "won" in Iraq (and I have no idea what "victory" would even look like...a Nazi work camp, maybe?) what would that accomplish outside of Iraq? Nada.

[opihimoimoi]

15. Who in their right mind listens to that ole guy who shoots friends

in the face

then blames the victim?

Only the disturbed and deluded

[Hubert Flottz]

17. Give him a six pack and a case of 28Ga. shells and send him to

the green zone ASAP!

[opihimoimoi]

20. LOL, what can I say....send him now...

With VPs like him, we don't need enemies.

The GOP is in love with his SNEER

[Hubert Flottz]

22. Dick + Bush = %$#ked!

And they are the CREAM OF THE GOP CROP!

[opihimoimoi]

32. The Sneer and the Beer...Top GOP CROP...LOL... I love it

The Only way to end a Day...Laugh

[Hubert Flottz]

33. There's a tear in his beer 'cause we're bombin' the Amir,

Oil was on his greedy mind,

The Crude that was found, When we took Saddam down,
Oil was on his greedy mind,

He's gonna keep bombin' until the place is flat,
'Cause that oil in Iran will make his wallet fat,

There's a tear in his beer 'cause we're bombin' the Amir,
Oil was on his greedy miiii____nd,

[opihimoimoi]

34. No more Beers, No more Tears. Cheney the Sneer breaks out into a LEER

[BurtWorm]

16. We weren't in Canada on 9/11, either, and the terrorists hit us anyway.

:eyes:

[SutaUvaca]

21. Yeah, that "fundamental fact"

Like Ino (#3) said:
We weren't in Aruba on 9/11 and they still hit us
We weren't rafting on the Colorado on 9/11 and they still hit us.
We weren't in ICU after brain surgery on 9/11 and.....

[Joe for Clark]

26. That is "rich"!!!

Joe

Nice one.

[maxsolomon]

18. thank god for Straw Men or he'd have nothing to say

you don't welcome debate, Dick, - you make sure it cannot occur.

we weren't in Iceland on 9/11 either. that's not a "fundamental fact", its a logical fallacy. in fact, his entire speaking method is a catalog of these: false dilemma, confusing cause & effect, ad hominem, etc.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

[walldude]

19. Typical black and white, Victory or Defeat

While that staement is true, he fails to mention what "victory" consists of. I bet his victory conditions differ from those of the people whos nation we invaded and are occupying...

[yodermon]

23. Do DUers really not know what is up here??

Jeez. I'll make it simple. BTW if you're not of the M/LIHOP persuasion, you can stop reading now.

1) Cheney/PNAC/et.al. M/LIHOP'd 9/11.

2) They have promoted fear, fear, and more fear for 5 years since then, all the while saying "If Dems get elected, we'll get attacked again! Our only hope is shrub & the Republican Party. See? We've had Republicans in power for 5 years and we haven't been attacked again." The "no liquids on airplanes" is a sort of preliminary punishment for allowing Dems to even poll ahead of the repubs at this point (or more importantly, Dems are polling ahead on the question "who is better suited to protect America/Wage the war on terra" etc - very dangerous territory for the Darth cabal).

3) They could NOT M/LIHOP again while Bush & the repukes control the WH & Congress, because this would expose the "Bush/Repubs as great protector" myths.

4) However, as soon as the Dems take back Congress, it is wonderful opportunity to L/MIHOP the US again, thus proving their narrative that (*blink*) "yes, the Dems are the Al Qaida candidates! Their policies invite attacks! See? Dems are Terriss enablers! See what happens, you silly American People, when you elect Democrats?!?!" ad nauseum but quite predictable.

5) Timing is everything, so don't expect an attack immediatly after the Nov. elections. The timing will be influenced by the following factors:
A) the progress of impeachment hearings and/or proceedings -- Darth cannot, cannot be removed from power, so if it appears that such an event is imminent, we may see another attack, although it can't be too obviously close, and
B) The run-up to the 2008 elections. Obviously it must occur before that to stave off a Dem presidency. Guiliani as 9/11 war hero is a likely to be anointed instead.

6) The point is another *IHOP attack has to be an absolute last-ditch desperation move on Darth's part, or else we would've seen one in the past months as it's been increasingly obvious to the populace that shrub is profoundly full of shit, Iraq is an unimaginable debacle, etc. It must be impeccably timed, and positioned in such a was as to increase their power/profits. If attempted now, or during the run-up to 2004, it would have made shrub look weak & ineffective becuase there was no fall guy.

The Democrats are being set up as the fall guy for the next inside job.

Yes Darth is :crazy: but unlike *, not stupid.

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. Cheney's father should have pulled out quickly, but nooooo

And look what we got instead

[jimshoes]

25. Who gets to decide what is healthy debate or

self defeating pessimism? Furthermore I don't accept your premise that there are only two options on Iraq. That in itself is a defeatist attitude. Should a third more acceptable option present itself, you've already decided that only your two original options are acceptable. That is defeatist by default. Not a valid argument dick, care to try again?
(Cheney said he welcomed the vigorous debate over Iraq but added: "There is a difference between healthy debate and self-defeating pessimism. "We have only two options on Iraq - victory or defeat - and this nation will not pursue a policy of retreat.")

[ninkasi]

27. Some people say

that this vile reptile is not only crazy, but was wrong about Saddam having WMD, he was wrong about Iraq being involved in the WTC attacks, he was wrong about how long the war would last, and assured us over a year ago that the insurgency was suffering it's last throes. He has been wrong about everything he has said concerning Iraq, so why would any rational person believe him now? That's what some people say.

[this_side_up]

28. How come we never hear about Cheney's

family history? Who are/were his parents and
grandparents? What were they up to?

[geek tragedy]

29. It's too freaking late for an 'early' withdrawal. eom

[genie_weenie]

30. The Chenster is right.

Future Security of the United States is defined as the ability of Cheney and Haliburton et al to make large sums of money off of the Occupation...