JonBenet: did the tinfoilers win one?

[Pab Sungenis]

I remember when John Karr was conveniently arrested at just the right time to be a great distraction from some bad news for Bush. The conspiracy brigade quickly threw up their hands, crying that it was all a diversion, that the arrest had no merit, and so on.

Now that the government has admitted that there is no evidence against Karr, one has to ask: did the tinfoilers win one? Were they right in this case?

[mark414]

1. no. nobody won.

this wasn't any sort of conspiracy it was just a crazy guy who was obsessed with the case.

the people who believed this are idiots and so are the people who claimed that there's any conspiracy behind it.

[springhill]

33. No person is an idiot..........

who questions anything that can be tied to this administration, say maybe a Homeland Security agent making the announcement of Karr's arrest.

[Rosco T.]

2. The MSN was ROVED on this one...

.. and the smart among us saw it coming. I mean for Kerist's sake.. a HOMELAND SECURITY AGENT WAS CONDUCTING THE PRESS CONFERENCE IN THAILAND????

[JuniperLea]

5. It sure got more attention than it deserved

No one I know and no one here on DU seemed fooled into thinking he may be guilty... makes you go hmmmm...

[FearofFutility]

30. Actually, quite a few here were fooled.

Especially those who felt the Ramsey's weren't involved. They were saying those who felt that they were involved should feel awful for suspecting them now that the killer was arrested. Just sayin...

[Kagemusha]

3. No *FORENSIC* evidence against him. He'd certainly said he did it

Just no physical evidence to establish he's more than just a sick fantasist.

[krkaufman]

31. Well, there *is* forensic evidence against his having done it ...

... since the DNA didn't match.

[Kagemusha]

32. Well they didn't have that failed DNA match when they nabbed him.

Now they do.

And boy do they look like suckers now.

[JuniperLea]

4. Tinfoil is more precious than gold

I'd like to see a study... I'd bet dimes to donuts that the "conspiracies" are confirmed more often than not.

[lvx35]

6. Yeah, conspiracy is a heavy word though....

I mean we know that Fox news is owned by people with deep republican ties...We know that this provides a distraction...But it also just draws a lot of human interest, a lot of short term money...So did Rove plan it all? Doubt it. But the big media companies sure did.

[hedgehog]

7. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was a cheap newscast.

No one had to investigate anything. All they had to do was stand in front of a camera repeating what was spoon fed to them, sort of like most of the White House Press Corps. It's the same reason just about every paper in this country has gone downhill. The corporate owners fire all the staff and no one is left to write any stories.

[tridim]

8. I'm waiting for them to get back to the real story

You know, that little story about the judge ruling that the Bush administration broke the law, violated the constitution and their oath of office, and then the Bush administration telling the judge to shove it.

I'm sure they'll get right back on it as the Karr story wraps up. :sarcasm:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Nope. They're Still Tinfoilers That Think Everything's A Conspiracy.

To reach a conclusion that because Karr was found to be a wacko that truly wasn't the murderer it means that Rove initiated and planned the entire thing, is quite a logical stretch.

There's no evidence against Karr, the tinfoilers are still tinfoilers. Both concepts can co-exist.

[orpupilofnature57]

10. It means they will use anything to divert attention without initiating ...

Shit, like freedom fries , anything can be harnessed to draw attention from the important issues of the day.

[rzemanfl]

11. There is a real problem in this country, Eric Alterman described

it this way:

"I can't say whether it's a conscious strategy but the administration is, once again, proving itself so incompetent and dishonest in so many directions simultaneously we find it impossible to keep up, even in our own imaginations."

It is for this reason that whenever anything happens that dominates the news, it looks like a planned distraction, because there is never a time that BushCo is not fucking something up or someone over.

[orpupilofnature57]

12. Exactly, it's become Inevitable.

[Beelzebud]

14. I know this is a simple way of seeing it, but it's The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

This administration has said so many things to frighten, and distract, that some of us have a very hard time not being suspicious of everything we hear, or the timing of when we hear things.

[Lerkfish]

13. I think people were right to be skeptical of his guilt, but I don't think

this was a conspiracy to distract.
Now, I DO think the terra alerts are a conspiracy to distract, but I think the Karr case is just a pathetic looney jerking his 15 minute clock in everyone's pajamas.

and, no, I don't know what I meant by that, either. :)

[elehhhhna]

16. WHy was DHS involved then? That smells funny. I doubt it

was set up by them...he's as crazy as GBW. But they sure glommed on to him, didn't they?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

15. It's amazing that nobody on DU believed him

& loudly demanded apologies from those who thought the poor innocent
parents might have had something to do with it.

[Writer]

17. I would like to submit a link to my thread because I think it answers to..

much of this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2000126#2000147

Please have a heart in this matter. Real people were involved in this case.

[Pab Sungenis]

19. I do.

And if I didn't believe that JonBenet's parents were shielding the real murderer all this time (no proof, just my suspicion) I would really feel for Mr. Ramsey that he was put through all this.

Not to mention Karr's family. Although, honestly, when his ex wife and her entire family stepped forward with an alibi for him the day of the killing, they should never have sought extradition.

[Mike03]

18. No

Nobody wins, except Incompetence.

Incompetence won.

And when Incompetence wins, we pay, and no one benefits.

[soothsayer]

20. I just thought he was a serial confessor, not that it was a conspiracy

so I guess I had minor tinfoil that proved right

[sendero]

21. Here's the thing..

.. I never believed he was the culprit, for very simple reasons. He parsed his words from the start. He "was there", not he "did it". There is no reason to use weasel words when you are telling the truth.

This is a sad deludinoid who sought his 15 minutes and/or wanted out of Thailand. Whether or not the timing was engineered is subject to debate.

[SmokingJacket]

22. I called them nutballs, but I was wrong.

This was totally overblown, most likely deliberately and by the DHS.

It was basically a week of no other news.

[Chiyo-chichi]

23. Here's the perfect photo that sums it all up.

John Mark Karr, center, is taken back to the Boulder County Jail Monday as MSNBC TV reporter Rita Cosby presses her face against the window of his transport vehicle. The case against him in the death of JonBenet Ramsey fell apart when his DNA did not match crime-scene evidence.

[DemonFighterLives]

28. Rita Aruba Cosby

on the scene. :rofl:

[Junkdrawer]

24. Every high profile case has dozens of nutballs waiting to confess...

DHS and the Corporate Media chose Karr as a palate cleanser.

What's particularly odd is that by the second day of Karr 24x7, it was clear to everyone with a particle of grey matter left EXACTLY who Karr was - and yet they kept up the charade.

So, what's the next course they're preparing us for? Stay tuned....

[dogday]

25. Ask yourself who really gained anything

from this story and the answer is Bush....

The decision by the Federal Court was just starting to make it's rounds on TV when breaking news occurred.....You do the math....

I will say it again, Bush is either the luckiest SOB in the country or he has a hand in the events that unfold... I leave it to you to decide....

[DemonFighterLives]

26. I'm not afraid of the tinfoil

It is very useful at times.
Now whether it was the :tinfoilhat: or not, I never believed this guy was the killer from the minute I saw him.

What I do believe is that Patsy knew something and probably John as well. The truth, who knows?
The cops in this case seemed to be total bunglers.

No one seemed in a hurry to figure this out but were sure willing to jump on the first person to confess.

Patsy with her, "this is all so surreal" comment is what sealed it for me.

And now it is surreal!

:crazy:

[RB TexLa]

27. regardless of who "won" what, at least now Karr or Ramsey posts will be

moved to the Colorado, California forums or the Lounge.

[OzarkDem]

29. Looks like it

Scrutinize every news story carefully between now and election day.

[warrens]

34. Conveniently arrested?

Oh, come on, you think he works for ROVE or something? He's a nutcase, but they at least had to check out his story. It's a stupid thing, but what would you have done as DA, just said, aw, he looks innocent to me?