Think Terror is bad - Check out video NO LOCK IS SAFE - "Bumpkeys"

[symbolman]

JESUS! Like the Terror scene isn't bad enough, now there's a way to disable ANY lock, so simple that people who learn it are amazed at how easy it is.. the insurance companies won't pay because there's been no break in, even tho everything is GONE in your home.

If the Terrorists didn't know about this before they sure do now, thanks to this You Tube expose..

Or the CIA, or the FBI, or Karl Freaking ROVE :)

Look about three quarters down this page for the You Tube, you'll see three balls in a row, which represent the pins or tumblers in your door lock..

"Tap Open Any Door Lock"

http://www.neatorama.com/category/home-kitchen-garden

[whistle]

1. Actually they all looked like freaking republicans, anglo-dutch mafia

[bryant69]

2. Hey - the Anglo-Dutch Mafia built those covered bridges.

Without them, what would we put on our postcards?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Dogmudgeon]

3. Read all about it here

"Welcome to the most well-behaved sporting association in the Netherlands, TOOOL (The Open Organization Of Lockpickers)."

--p!

[politicat]

4. Lock phreaks have known about these for years.

My husband is big into locks - started with his dad's tractor shop padlock and it's been a life-long hobby.

Locks are only secure if people think they're secure. If a lock can be opened, it can be picked. And bumpkeys are what most locksmiths use when they open your car or house when you lock yourself out. Nice to know that your $150 outcall was worth the fee, huh?

[Corgigal]

5. thanks for this info

I wasn't aware of. Oh I am now and going to be looking for a bumpkey proof locks now.
Thankfully we have 5 dogs and a gun. This is NOT a good feeling.

[symbolman]

6. I hope they're not the kind of "watch dogs" we had

the ones that sit there and WATCH as the thieves clean out your house :)

I'd never heard of this, news to me.. funny, a lot of locksmiths are guys that did time for robbing homes.. I might order a set myself for the next time I get locked out.

There's a new fingerprint lock out, but I was watching Myth Busters the other night and they opened the lock with a XEROX of the guy's fingerprint!

[NNN0LHI]

7. Locks were never designed to keep professional thieves out

They were designed to keep regular people like our friends out.

Same thing with car locks.

Don

[htuttle]

8. You can get better ("un-bumpable") locks than that

Look at a Schlage Primus or Ikon SK6, for example. Or one of those wacky side-channel locks, like a EVVA 3KS. Now that's a lock!

...okay, I admit it. I'm a lock geek...

[symbolman]

9. Sounds reasonable to me

tho other than being able to break into any car made before 1970 or so I have no idea how safe Locks are.. I suppose it works the same on a deadbolt, eh?

Looked like a lock geek convention in the video, and man they were all rubbing their heads in amazement, I know I was :)

[htuttle]

13. It has to do with the shape and configuration of the pins

Conventional door locks have smooth pins and spacers all in a row along the top. This allows techniques like 'bumping' (or raking the pins) to take advantage of gravity to allow the lower pin to drop down after the spacer catches on the cylinder.

Higher security locks will have pins with groves in them to create false catches, and even better ones will have side-dimple (or channel) pins that push against the key along the side. While these locks are still manually pickable in theory, you'd need far more than two hands, and also have to be able to fit a half dozen picks inside the lock at once -- an improbable situation.

I don't know why the people in the video would be too surprised, except to be appreciative of the speed it is done at. Bumping is just a one-handed version of raking, and that's been how you pick locks since the invention of the pin tumbler.

[Corgigal]

17. EVVA 3KS

Where can I purchase a lock like that? I just goggled for that information and besides everyone on the net saying it's a great lock, I see no links to purchase the damn lock.

Any info you wish to share would be helpful.

[htuttle]

19. I think you probably have to get them through a locksmith

One of the security measures with EVVA cylinders, IIRC, is that you cannot obtain the key blanks without a special certification (granted by EVVA to locksmiths).

They sell the cylinders here, but they primarily (if not exclusively) sell to locksmiths:
http://www.locksonline.co.uk/acatalog/Evva_Complete_Range_of_Cylinders.html

[MadHound]

10. There is no such thing as a completely secure lock

Those with the expertise can still pick them open. The only question with locks is what percentage of the population will it discourage, and how long and how noisy will opening it be. While bumpless locks will take longer to open, they too can be opened by somebody with skill and knowledge. Frankly, most deadlocks are designed to keep out, and will keep out, 85-90% percent of the population. It's the other 10-15% of the population you've got to worry about. That's why it's always a good idea to have another suprise behind the door, like a good guard dog.

[treestar]

11. Newer technology on cars has a code you punch in

That would work, since the unlocking mechanism can only come from your mind. Likely this will show up on regular doors soon.

[WinkyDink]

12. Sounds like the kind one can "read" from the street. given the

right kind of binoculars.

But whatever. Just try the door into the garage, or a window in it. I'd bet lots of people forget about their garage.
Or basement.

[treestar]

14. It is amazing there aren't more break-ins

Sort of gives a perspective on the extent of the criminal population.

[symbolman]

15. What worries me the most

is that people (like me) have a GUN for protection, and some dipwad can stroll into my house, steal my gun and then go kill someone with it, maybe me if I come home while they are ransacking the place..

Kinda makes me rethink guns as home protection..

[benEzra]

16. Keep them in a safe when you're not home...

not sitting out on the nightstand. If all you own is handguns, you don't even need a full-sized safe, just a sturdy small safe. You can't open a safe with a bump key...

[AngryAmish]

18. WHat is someone is gonna hurt my baby?

That is why I keep my gun in the baby's crib.