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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:15 PM
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Obama says Republicans practice "Social Darwinism"


ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - Republicans controlling the federal government practice Social Darwinism, a discredited philosophy that in economics and politics calls for survival of the fittest, according to a Democratic U.S. senator.

Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, a fast-rising Democratic star, told Florida party members that only a philosophy among Republicans of sink or swim explains why some Hurricane Katrina victims in New Orleans still live in cars while Republicans in Washington prepare next week to enact $70 billion in tax breaks.


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:20 PM
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1. He's right. I have read about it in the past from right wing
sources. It also states that humanity has to have wars for population control.
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:33 PM
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4. So they just think of people as animals. Reminds me of State sanctioned
Deer hunts here in CT. Gotta kill a few deer to keep the population down.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:50 PM
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8. To tell the truth I don't even think of animals like that.
We all have a right to life, but yeah in their minds life is cheap.
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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:20 PM
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2. Misses the point
While he is right on the button about social darwinism. He misses the point on the domestic spying.


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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:27:14 -0500
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Subject: Message from Senator Barack Obama

Dear Terry:

Thank you for advising me of your concerns about the President's domestic spying program, and your feeling that his executive order may be grounds for impeachment. I understand your mounting frustration.

I fully appreciate and share your strong disagreement with many of the administration's policies and actions, including reports of the President's domestic surveillance program. Although more facts may be forthcoming, from what we have learned, it appears that the President’s program is in direct contravention of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Indeed, the concept that the government is spying on Americans is troubling enough without considering the idea that this surveillance is being conducted outside the parameters of the law. It is imperative that the President, and all elected officials, recognize that this is a nation of laws. If the President believes that the nation’s FISA laws should be amended, he should present his recommended changes to Congress for evaluation.

I am deeply troubled by this and other on-going efforts to increase the power of the Executive branch at the expense of the strong checks and balances in our three branches of government, and I hope the administration will see that our goal of protecting Americans does not require an abandonment of our obligation to protect their rights as well. Because the White House seems oblivious to this concept, I joined my colleagues in the Senate to filibuster a PATRIOT Act reauthorization bill that failed to strike a more reasonable balance between homeland security and civil liberties.

Homeland security is an important obligation for the federal government, and law enforcement must have a complete set of tools to fight terrorism. Despite the Administration's proclaimed focus on homeland security, however, I know many American see the poor government response after Hurricane Katrina as a sign that the President has failed to fulfill his post-9/11 promises of improved readiness and response. There is no excuse for that, and we need an honest review of our progress, or lack of progress, on this front.

In my view, there is no question that President Bush has pushed the envelope in promoting his policies and programs. Challenges like the war in Iraq and the Gulf Coast tragedy only exacerbate our sense of frustration and concern about the priorities and judgment of this administration. Despite our frustration, our focus must remain on doing what we can in this environment to address the many tests facing America and Illinois, some of which, like Katrina, have posed unprecedented challenges. While Congress needs to conduct more oversight of the administration's work, I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track.

Thank you again for writing. Please know that I will continue to use my position in the Senate to hold this administration accountable for its work, and to oppose those policies with which I disagree.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama
United States Senator


P.S. Our system does not allow direct response to this email. However, if you would like to contact me again, please use the form on the website: http://obama.senate.gov/contact/

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Mossadeq Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:33 PM
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5. well...
He is right about this issue.

"I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track."

Impeachment would divide the country to the extreme, and personally, I don't think we have time for that. The clock is ticking on this bitch, and if we don't focus on saving the country we love so much we might lose it.

Now...I understand that impeachment is a path we need to take, If we are a nation of laws, then we must impeach. But it will not solve any problems, the regin of terror will continue.

Ask yourself, ...what is our "ultimate objective" that Obama speaks of ? ...Is it a short term public impeachment of Bush thats solves nothing ? ..or is it a united country that we all can be proud of ?

I agree, Impeach Bush, but we need to focus on the bigger picture.

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chicagiana Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:34 PM
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18. WOULD DIVIDE????

I got news for you, the country is already divided.

Democrats are CONSTANTLY being attacked. They are attacked when they do nothing. They might as well do something worth being attacked for. They might appear as if they have a spine in the process.



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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:34 PM
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6. The story is a little old, before the spy scandal, but I still found it
interesting.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 07:23 PM
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15. Are we or are we not a Nation of Law, Senator Obama?
Edited on Sun Jan-01-06 07:27 PM by kenzee13
<snip> While Congress needs to conduct more oversight of the administration's work, I do not think that options such as calling for impeachment of the President serve our ultimate objective, which is getting the country back on the right track. <snip>

What sort of gibberish is that? Is he already running for President too?

Is he another one who wants points for sounding compassionate while tip-toeing around the halls of power whispering "me too! me too!"?

What good is "oversight" if the response to blatant, egregious, intentional, and ongoing illegality is to forgo the corrective?

He talks as if the role of Congress were that of an employee "quality committee" while the "work" of the Administration is ruling the Nation - not as if Congress were the Legislative branch, the equal, the check for that Administration. That might be the most disturbing sentence in his letter.

immediate edit to add an inadvertently deleted sentence:

Since surely the man is far too intellegent to think that the pompous little puppet in the WH or his handlers give a good god-damn about the victems of Katrina, just how does he propose to address that social darwinism in any way that does any good for those whose lives were destroyed first by poverty and low wage jobs, then by catastrophe, then by indifference if he forgos holding this vile cabal responsible for their acts?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:29 PM
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17. that's sort of a form letter
Edited on Sun Jan-01-06 08:30 PM by pitohui
he is not going to be able to tell his constituents in a letter, hey, we're gonna impeach the president, he has to work w. these people

if impeachment becomes politically viable -- the 2006 elections get enough democratic senators in -- then i think we can expect some action

a senator has to play his cards
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:30 PM
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3. The only thing newsworthy about that is that he is saying it outloud in
front of a crowd.
That goes all the way back to Ayn Rand and the Objectivists. The Neocons would step over you in a heartbeat if you could not keep up.
Think about the "drowning the government in a bathtub" image. It goes a very long way to explain their entire philosophy.
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:36 PM
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7. Yah, but there are a lot of dumb people out there who vote
republican just so they can protect their right to have guns, that need to know more about this.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 07:14 PM
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14. You are right. There is a LOT of ignorance out there.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:55 PM
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9. I think it's very clever
Discourage actual impeachment because of national priorities, but keep the word in play.

Keep people thinking about it. Just because one senator
says it's not in the cards now doesn't mean it won't be, or can't be, and talking about it even
as a potential is important.

It may not be prudent to impeach the guy (good grief, what would we get?), but it's prudent to point out that his offenses vmay in fact very well be impeachable, pursuant to the Constitution.

What we need to do is limit the further damage he can incur the next 3 yrs and then replace the party in power in D.C.

b_b








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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 06:55 PM
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10. The man is right on!
"They have a philosophy they have implemented and that is doing exactly what it was designed to do. They basically don't believe in government. They have a different philosophy that says, 'We're going to dismantle government'," Obama said.

Republicans running the federal government believe, "You are on your own to buy your own health care, to buy your own retirement security ... to buy your own roads and levees," Obama said, referring to flood barriers that gave way in New Orleans during Katrina last August.

Obama, the only African American now in the U.S. Senate, gave the keynote address at the annual meeting of Florida Democrats.
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Mossadeq Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 07:02 PM
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11. Us peeps in Ill.
Are very proud of him, I have a Obama 2008 sticker on my car. :)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 07:14 PM
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13. Good for you Mossadeq....and welcome home, you're gonna
love it here.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 07:13 PM
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12. Two things....
Correction."Social Darwinism" please read in second paragraph ... Sen. Barack Obama ..

Does this mean Obama asked them to include the second paragraph? If so... is it a press release or an article? (ie: "Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, a fast-rising Democratic star,")

and


Damn, wait till the fundies get ahold of this one...

"See "Darwinism"!! evin the lieberals say its crapp."
:endchannelingfreeper:

:eyes:
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-01-06 08:27 PM
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16. absolutely they do
and some of them are v. upfront abt it if you talk to them

they are not even ashamed of this, some don't even know that social darwinism is pseudo-science and the basis of many of the nazi's atrocities

a good read of stephen jay gould's work would be an education, except many who believe this way can't read work of such depth :-(
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