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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:36 AM Original message |
Chemists: TATP Liquid Bombs Impossible to Make In Jet Lavatory--Huge Hoax |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. if i had to fly during that "terra crisis" i'd be totally pissed |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. Am I mistaken that the concept of a "liquid bomb" is a realistic scenario? |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It's only realistic if you were able to stay in a jet lavatory |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Not a realistic scenario. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
28. It 100% realistic--if the device is crammed in a checked bag, under |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. I heard Ramzi Joseph tried this & actually brought down a Phillippine plan |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. He did not mix that explosive onboard |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
70. It didn't work because of the placement |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Ist he JonBenet Ramzi's Dad? OMG. He's even nastier than I thought! |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 05:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. omg--I just read that aloud--ROFL!!! |
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MikeyJones (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 05:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. That's of course assuming Ramzi Yousef wasn't a CIA asset in the..... |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Thanks for the replies. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Answer; too logical! You sciencey logical liberals....sheesh. Annoying. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I hang my head in shame. |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. I can already see THIS coming |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Oh! But they could blurt the phoney directions all over the earth.. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Oh. Come. On. A trained monkey could make a molotov with |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. the booze |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yes, at least three quarters of the time. lol |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. They could have plugged every drain on the plane with a box of |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. I liked this comment on the Washington Monthly blog |
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OldSiouxWarrior (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. Really? Take a look at Tannerite - a manufactured binary explosive. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You googled "Binary Explosive"? You're braver than me!! |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. No kidding! Welcome to the Terra Watch List! |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. ! |
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Protagoras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Ever worked in a lab? |
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OldSiouxWarrior (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Did you look at the links? Please do, and comment. NT |
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Protagoras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Yup |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Simple question: Do you agree with the Journal of American |
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Protagoras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Haven't read the paper |
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OldSiouxWarrior (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. I will have to agree with you about TSA. |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Tannerite is detonated by a hot bullet, not electronic detonation |
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OldSiouxWarrior (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. An electric blasting cap does the same thing. NT |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. If you can smuggle blasting caps onboard, why not dynamite? |
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OldSiouxWarrior (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Size. A blastin cap is tiny, a stick of dynamite isn't. |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Then why didn't they ban Tannerite years ago? |
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OldSiouxWarrior (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. OK. Looks like what the Islamists were planning was impossible. |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I agree. But the point is Bush and Blair lied |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 05:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
76. "Islamists"? I think you mis-spelled "terrorists" |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Didn't you get the memo? |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #23 |
82. But a blasting cap is nothing more than a battery |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Nice try, but detonation caps are banned too. |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. The hoax was about TATP, not Tannerite |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 02:50 AM Response to Reply #6 |
75. heyyyy....you are now on the NSA terror watch list..SHHHHH N/T |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 07:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
80. Not That Easy |
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DWilliamsamh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
84. I googled it just for friggin fun. Like throwing * should be dead into ra |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
16. So the bush admin lied to us about a terror threat? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
22. I'll just pat myself on the back a little... |
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orwell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I did too... |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 11:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Me too. Even though I made it up it sounded plausible! LOL |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. /me proudly adjusts his Tin Foil Crown. |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 07:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
81. well, I want to go on record as saying I didn't think it was BS |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
34. The hysteria was nutso because TATP is impractical, and |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
35. As a chemist who works for the defense industry.... |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Thank you for this immensely! |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
37. Kick it up for yet another *BOGUS* terra 'lert. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
41. Duh! |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Right! I remember them mixing two liquids and saying "It's that easy!" |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
73. Vinegar and Baking Soda ? nt |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Technically that's a liquid and a powder... |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Sorry. Same chemistry as the coke and mentos we're seeing on TV nt |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Glycerin in hand sanitizers and homemade nitro is what MSM is leading to |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Well, there's always the mixing of Bleach and Vinegar... |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
44. Between this & JBR, Rove must feel confident he owns the media. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Ramsey (JonBenet) Ramzi (Youssef) Whoa! So THAT'S why DHS was involved. |
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Justice Is Comin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
66. Yes, the whole story has kind of drifted off to the shores of Loch Ness |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 08:09 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Uh oh. Karr just confessed to being Nessie. |
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TrueStory (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
47. Bruce Schneier's security newsletter: |
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Kailassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Some pay-off. |
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LUHiWY (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
91. The scam? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yeah, and some of us here knew that and didn't buy into the scam. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. i hope those here who did will be more inquisitive next time.. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Hey, I became more inquisitive after I realized they were lying to us... |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 06:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. some are able to take that lesson with them.. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. It's a great rule-of-thumb, works pretty much every time! |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
52. Damn...sounds like being a terraist is "Hard Work!" |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
55. Neoconitis is holistically a big hoax on this Republic and we the people |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
57. Nothing to see here-back to your Celebrity News-Terror Alert 5.1 next week |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
60. Now they tell us! |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. What's probably a greater risk is thermite placed over the |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
62. Simple box cutters did the job |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Did they? |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
68. I'm stunned - you mean they lied to us |
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WestMichRad (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
71. So TATP liquid bombs may be impossible, but... |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
72. Now if only myth busters would take this on... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-30-06 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
74. Didn't they actually |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 07:00 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Yes, indeed |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-01-06 08:17 AM Response to Reply #79 |
93. So how is it impossible? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-01-06 08:23 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. It Was Different |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
77. Thanks for posting |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 05:59 AM Response to Original message |
78. Trust Me On This Folks: It's Even Harder Than This Suggests |
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oc2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
83. I took chemistry and organic in college, I knew this was bogus unless they |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. One Other Note |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
85. I'd be a lot more worried about somebody mixing up a binary nerve agent |
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