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RockHardCore Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:20 PM
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The WingNut Stance on the Plame Affair!
What do we know that we can factually site that tears this apart? They are saying that Armitage and Powell weren't really a part of the administration and were really enemies of the White House? This just gets wierder and wierder!!!

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjNiZDgxOTYzOGNkNmY5NzdkNmE2YmIxMDJkYmUzMDc=

"So now we know what we’ve pretty much known all along about the CIA-leak case: The leaker was Richard Armitage. A new book by Michael Isikoff and David Corn, Hubris: the Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, reports that it was Armitage, the former number-two at the State Department and a confidant of former secretary of state Colin Powell, who told columnist Robert Novak about Valerie Plame — thus setting off the CIA leak “scandal” and a years-long investigation.

"This revelation lays waste to the notion that Vice President Dick Cheney, former Cheney chief of staff Lewis Libby, and top White House aide Karl Rove conspired to “out” Plame as a way of smearing her husband, the anti-Bush gadfly Joseph Wilson. But it does more than just debunk left-wing conspiracy theories. It also raises a vitally serious question about the CIA leak investigation itself: Why did it happen?"

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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:25 PM
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1. Which totally explains why Libby would lie and put himself in legal
trouble. Also completely explains why Rove would have to keep going back in front of the GJ to get his story straight.

Yup, innocent men would have lied in their position. Especially if they knew it Armitage all along. Next thing will be the wingnut news reporting that the reason Libby and Rover lied was to expose the conspiracy that was directed at undermining Our Dear Leader, His Holiness and Majesty, Messiah and Savior - W!!!!

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:28 PM
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2. So, how is it they are saying that there was
nothing illegal about Armitage's leak?
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RockHardCore Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:36 PM
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5. The Investigation
They are saying that the investigation began in October of 2003 and that the FBI talked to Armitage - who apparently told the FBI that he was Novak's source and then Rove confirmed that he was the secondary source.

So the take is that the investigation should have ended there! Isn't that convinient!

Then they go and start spinning the Intelligence Identities Act and say that Fitzgerald was appointed because, even though, nothing happened they were too worried about the political pressure to do the right thing. Okay, what are we suppossed to make of that?

And all that came out of this was an indictment of Libby for perjury and obstruction?!!! What could he have been obstructing? These people need to get their stories straight!

So what is their conclusion? Shut down the investigation. Isn't that the easy answer!

How can we do our own work to figure out what really happened since the cover up operation is obviously working overtime now?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 03:28 PM
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11. Illegal = in violation of the provisions of a law or statute
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 03:29 PM by igil
The most commonly cited law requires knowledge of the covert agent's status, and that the agency was taking positive steps to maintain that status. "Covert" has an explicit definition.

The claims buzzing around Armitage are that he learned her covert status after saying her name to Novak.

In other words, the claim is that Armitage did not violate the provisions of that statute. If he didn't violation all the necessary provisions, he didn't break that law.

It's a law not meant for this situation. (And the other laws are even harder to make apply.)
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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 03:56 PM
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12. Did he disclose info from a classified document?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:30 PM
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3. Also explains why Tweety called Wilson, and said the following:
"Rove told me your wife was fair game." Not Armitage, not even Scooter. ROVE told him.

I mean, come on. We know what the real deal was. Armitage CONFIRMED, and Novak was thrilled to have that confirmation from someone other than the partisan gunslingers at the WH that first tossed the dirt to him.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:32 PM
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4. Just show them Cheney's margin scribblings
Nothing to see there huh?
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RockHardCore Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:37 PM
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6. Cheney's scriblings?
What do they say? How do we know it is authentic?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 12:57 PM
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7. Here
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 03:03 PM
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10. It's part of the court records now.
Fitzgerald included it in a filing. Cheney passed it to Libby.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 01:03 PM
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8. They very badly want this invesigation to be over.
Yet it continues...
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RockHardCore Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 02:36 PM
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9. This TOO MUCH! It's all Joe Wilson's fault! Rite!!!
I know I keep pounding this, but this is an issue that was super important to me and it looks like the BushCo's are just going to get away with EVERYTHING!! So naturally I am very into how they are spinning everything to get away with it.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTA2YWQzOWEyMTkyNzdmNTA1MTBjYzA2ZDQzZTk2NGQ=

"It is now clear that the White House did not, as charged, conspire to expose the identity of an undercover CIA agent as a way to punish Joe Wilson and discourage other whistle-blowers.

The truth is that Joe Wilson and David Corn imagined this conspiracy – and brilliantly made it into a major story and a multi-million dollar, tax-payer funded federal case.

Or – this can’t be dismissed — perhaps they knew all along that what they were alleging was false but found it a convenient way to attack and undermine an administration they hated and opposed."

PLEASE!!! WHAT CAN WE DO TO EXPOSE THE REAL TRUTH?
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