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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:24 PM
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I am so sick of people cutting off AAR because they fired Malloy.
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 04:24 PM by saracat
I don't agree with the decision but I don't haveaccess to their books! The idea tyhat we would throw out our only liberal media outlet over one host is unbelivably stupid.AAR shouldn't exist just to preach to the choir.It is supposed to make converts.Randi, Sam, Al and the others do that.I agreeed with a lot of what Malloy said but he did it in an alienating way.And we are never going to win elections if we can't convince some of the others to come over to our side! That is the basis of political talk radio.It doesn't exist just for our entertainment so we can nod our heads in agreement! Look at what Rush has done! He made converts! People believed him.Disgusting as that may be, that is what we need to do.Our base already agrees with us. And another thing, I don't know about AAR's financials but a radio franchise has to make money before all else because they must reamin on the air.If Kathy says it was finacial it most likely was. And instant firing without notice is the way of radio.This is not special for Mike. JMHO.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:26 PM
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1. there is another
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:27 PM
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2. For me, firing MM was the LAST straw, not the first...
Their programming was getting progressively more milquetoast with the exception of MM and Randi, with Mike gone, there isn't enough to support anymore.

With regard to AAR needing to make money, canning MM isn't going to help that either. Bad business decision, imo.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:27 PM
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3. You can say that again.
Your points are right on the money, especially about the need to recruit listeners and the cold hard fact that radio is first and foremost a business. They want to make more money to keep their investors behind them.

That's a fact of life. I'm still waiting for all the facts to emerge before passing judgement on anyone. But AAR is a critical resource. I love those guys and I am not going to throw them overboard because of one business decision.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:29 PM
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4. K&R!! I Hope Marc Maron Replaces Him
God not every progressive is a MM fan. Both he and Ed Schultz are on my can't stand to listen list for different reasons.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:31 PM
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5. Hell it won't be long from now and AA will have Rush Limburger on..
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:17 PM
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39. Probably tomorrow.
:eyes:
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:54 AM
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86. YOU'RE CLOSE, B Calm!!! Closer than you think!
http://www.wwrl1600.com/

Armstrong Williams, anyone?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:33 PM
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6. in a way we may be screwing ourselves if we stop listening to
AAR all those RW stations will be basking in the demise of Left Wing Radio, AAR biting the dust. Disturbing news about Mike, but I think some other station will pick him up. I am hoping they do.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:56 PM
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14. Absolutely right on!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:45 AM
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61. Well, see, here's the problem
Liberals are much more discerning than right wingers. We expect quality programming. AAR keeps their worst and dumps their best (no, not just Mike Malloy. He's one of many they've axed but they continue to air Ed Schultz and Al Franken who lost his edge when he gained his political aspirations). They've had money issues from day one and it hasn't just been about not being able to get funding - they didn't manage their money well. Now, they are doing a short term scramble and getting rid of their best personalities. Nope, sorry, unexamined loyalty is not a liberal's forte nor a thing to strive for. I've had to hold my nose and support politicians who didn't reflect my views, I'm not going to hold my nose for Air America while they run for the middle to save their financial skin when they've never had money sense to start with. I think it's time they get their shit together or get off the pot and give their name to a group that can better represent us.

Frankly, if Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are what we are trying to "live up to", I think I'll take a pass.
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:51 AM
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88. Did Franken EVER have edge?
OK, at that book fair, when he went toe-to-toe with O'Reilly, but that doesn't count...

I think it's his regular guests that give his SHOW the edge, Joe Conason, Dave Brock... hey, why not THOSE GUYS a show?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:37 PM
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7. Who is the most boring talk show host on AA?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:38 PM
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8. Never heard him but, my son is a director of a radio station
and he's always talking about how they must get listeners from the right age and financial demographic.

Like I say I've never had a chance to listen to Malloy, but if he didn't keep the right demo AND secure advertising dollars...well, that's gonna be fatal. And yeah that does compromise what's on the air. If he DID keep a following that supports advertising he'll pop up again somewhere.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:54 AM
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63. He had a loyal fan core here and on other liberal sites
He had a money core, long term, but the AAR executives are not good with money, never have been and are probably doing a short term scramble because they don't have the rent money, again! I love what they tried to do but they needed to have better business folks running it. I've watched them make bad move after bad move and my loyalty is waning. I still love the concept but their implementation has been far less than stellar. Many of the personalities still on the air there have alluded to the poor management and no amount of blind loyalty can keep me from seeing that they are right. I had pretty well already drifted away from them with three exceptions. I'm down to two as of today and I don't necessarily think that those two will be there much longer. Frankly, the biggest interest I have right now is whether they will get rid of Randy and Rachel before or after AAR closes up shop. In other words, will the patient die before or after the rest of the vital organs get excised?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:41 PM
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9. Malloy was my only reason to listen, and only reason to give them $
they took away my one and only reason, so my response makes perfect sense. They are no longer providing the service that I paid for
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:52 PM
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13. So who are you going to support now? Rush? Hannity?
Seriously, I'm not being flip. The OP has a perfectly valid point...if we had twelve broadcasts going on on seven different AM stations, as RW radio does, we'd have the luxury of abandoning AAR just because of this. Personally, I never listened to Malloy. Nothing against the guy, but he was in the wrong time slot for my listening tastes. I'm certainly not going to throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water. We simply don't have lots of options. Support liberal radio or not, your choice. But don't you dare bitch if AAR goes off the air because people stopped listening. You'll be one of the reasons they went off the air.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:59 PM
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16. I donated to AAR for one reason
that reason is gone

it's business
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:02 PM
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21. Then if it's business, you're making a bad business decision
You are eliminating your only source of a particular type of information because ONE of the deliverers of that info is gone. You wasted your money if AAR goes under because you encourage people to bail on them just because of a guy a great number of us have never even listened to.

It is just bad business.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:04 PM
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22. I gave them money BECAUSE they hired Mike
and I wanted to listen to him. I never once listened to AAR prior to his hiring

are you saying I should continue to give money to a station I don't even listen to??
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:12 PM
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27. That is what they seem to be saying.
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 05:12 PM by princehal
Just like the DNC. Love us, no matter how we screw you.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:16 PM
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28. Oh, PUH-LEEZE!
Yeah, that's what we're saying guys. Sure. Whatever.
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:23 PM
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33. Oh, ok
Thank you then. I see the error of my ways. How DARE I not toe the party line.
Leiberman votors everywhere take heart. Joe running is a "business decision" so, that makes it just fine.
Stupid uppity liberals.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 08:02 PM
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:04 AM
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65. Since you asked
(though, I know you didn't ask me) Pacifica Radio for one. And trying to retake NPR would be another good project. Trying to take the Air America franchise away from the losers who run it would be another good idea. Do you remember how AAR almost went under at the beginning because of their poor business acumen? The same people are still running it and they are still making piss poor, short sighted business decisions.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 08:10 AM
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71. Those are all valid points
Thanks for the reasonable response. You don't see too many of those when the passion starts flying, as it has on this thread. I do agree with most everything you said. Which is why it is important to let AAR know how we feel about their decision. Maybe the other posters have other choices, as you do. But, Pacific Radio has really crappy reception way out here in Connecticut! What about all the progressives who still want SOMETHING, and prefer having AAR to nothing at all? Currently AAR, with all its flaws, is our only choice. We can't work to "fix" it, or help change it, if we force it out of business because one personality got fired.

That was my point...many of the rants reminded me of a child throwing a tantrum..."Well, if I can't have five cookies, I don't want any!" "Fine," I always told my kids as I put the lid back on the cookie jar.

Firing Malloy may have been short-sighted (the full story has yet to be told), but no more short sighted than demanding something for which you have no back-up plan. That's all I'm sayin!
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 12:58 PM
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73. Not the "only source" for liberal talk
We've been building liberal radio in a completely different paradigm.

The Head-On Radio Network (H.O.R.N.) went live in October 2005 with fifteen hours of programming per week. Less than a year later, we're at 50 hours per week and several thousand listeners per day. We're commited to offering a full day's schedule by the end of our second year on air.

No New York studios. No "celebrity" hosts. No ads for herbal erection remedies. Just professionalism, passion, knowledge and a dedication to the real experts, our listeners.

We welcome you and everyone else to try something different. We invite you to join us for Conversation Radio.

www.headonradionetwork.com
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:26 PM
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34. So, if we don't support Air America it means we
must support Rush and Hannity? I don't think so. I paid to be a premium member because of Mike Malloy. Since he is no longer on the network I don't think I can support it.

I don't like Al Franken. His old Jew skit got old quickly. He is DLC all the way and we don't need that. Republican lite? NO, one Republican party is enough.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:21 PM
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Al Franken doesn't do the "Oy Oy Oy Show" anymore. NT
NT
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:17 PM
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40. In a way as much as we are pissed about Mike we have/should
support Randi, Sam and Rachel, I want Mike back also. But knowing the way Mike is, he takes no shit from anyone. I am sure he will picked up by someone else but again let's voice our concerns about this quick firing.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:18 PM
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41. With us or against us? Now, isn't that special!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:59 AM
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64. I think they do need to go off the air
I think another company with better management needs to take over the name (because that is the one thing that is great about them - their name). I've thought this for some time but with each poor decision they make (and this isn't the first one. Would that it were!) it becomes obvious to me that continuing to support AAR is throwing good money after bad.

We don't have many options, true. That's why I think we need to stop diluting our efforts with this piece of crap misadventure. It is/was a great concept, poorly implemented.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:42 PM
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10. I used to be a Malloy listener
when I was angry about the 2004 election. But, as reality took over, I found that I didn't like the anger and tone of his show. It just made me angry and depressed.

Yesterday, when he took over Randi's show, I really cringed at the heavy handedness he used with his callers. He did mess up and use some language that wasn't quite appropriate for that time of day.

I agree, you can convert more people with wit and wisdom than with anger and rudeness. I think people are getting tired of being angry and scared all the time. AAR can give them a safe haven to go to with logic and hope.

zalinda
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:45 PM
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11. What do you want, another boring talk show host? or one that
has passion?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:58 PM
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15. I want a host with passion who converts people to the Democratic way
of thinking, and I want a host who can appeal to enough listners to help sway an election.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:59 PM
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17. That's a very good idea.
:thumbsup:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:01 PM
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19. You can't have both? I want someone who talks about the Bush Crime
Family and what is really happening in our country. In other words, I want someone who tells it like it is!

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:06 PM
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23. But you can't convince others of that if you are only preaching to
the choir! You have to catch their attention, not turn them off! JMHO.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:16 PM
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29. What if we said you can't catch anybodies attention with a boring radio
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 05:19 PM by B Calm
show host??? I sure as hell don't go around spouting they need to take certain radio show hosts off the air because they're boring and not convincing anyone to vote democratic, like people who hate Malloy do!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:32 PM
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49. I reject your premise outright..
... just having someone like Malloy on the air has value beyond the "converting listeners" stage.

I believe that the "conversion" is a long process. No one talk show host is likely to effect large numbers of "conversions". But, some of these guys might start someone on the path of conversion.

Malloy was more than an angry ranter. He had points of view you are never going to hear from anyone else on the radio, period. Now, your position is that these points of view are so extreme that nobody will listen - but I'm not so sure. I can envision situations where a listener is so taken aback, so shocked, that they feel compelled to disprove the things he says. Problem is, anyone doing serious research will find that many of his ideas have solid factual foundations.

As I've said elsewhere, we don't need 20 progressive talk show hosts that are all the same. The Ed Schultz's of the world contribute to a certain demographic, the Thom Hartmanns to another, the Stephanie Millers to yet another. Malloy was a unique contributor, and I really feel like his voice needs to have an outlet also.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:21 PM
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43. if anyone wants soft talk go to the regular MSM
they will give you all the soft talk you want, but clearly if you don't like someone's style, you can always change the station or dial. Right now we do have that choice.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:19 PM
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42. I have never liked him..
I tried to listen and I agree with what he says, but he comes across to me as too angry as well. To those who never listened to AAR before Mike came on....dont listen then.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:53 PM
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52. He is angry...........
and that's exactly why I loved him; he vented the anger that I felt and still feel on a daily business. Whenever I read someone or listen to someone who spouts the same old talking points I just want to scream. Mike didn't do that. He projected the rage that so many of us feel, and that was so cathartic I can't even tell you.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:17 PM
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74. I missed it completely- what happened yesterday?
We don't get RR here- we get Big Eddie from 3-6.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 04:50 PM
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12. We need more individual programs with progessive hosts
I've never agreed with the programming model of Air America, which is to simply build a whole radio network around a single political viewpoint. I think it turns the average radio listener off to hear a network say "You're getting one viewpoint on this station". You need to ease the casual radio listener in. You need to find individual hosts to generate a following for their show, and build out from there. It's worked for Ed Schultz, and it could work for someone else.

Air America is falling too much into a mindset now that they need to generate ratings because they are bleeding money. They put the cart before the horse, and while it was a nice idea and quite ambitious, they're being forced to make drastic changes that are going to piss off the hardcore listener and not really draw any new ratings or advertisers.

Let's face it, the reason talk radio is controlled by the right wing is you have a bunch of different hosts all piled onto the dial, with some individual stations just being morning to night right wing hate radio. They don't need to set up a network because Hannity, Pigman, Michael Weiner, Gallagher, Ingraham, Severen.....are all interchangable.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:00 PM
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18. Then you can keep listening. I for one will not be.
You do what you want and I'll do whatever the fuck I want.

AAR is dead to me.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:02 PM
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20. AAR is dead to me too!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:08 PM
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24. I am sure that will cost them millions in reneue and influence!
But perhaps they will make up for it with new listners who they can persuade to vote Democratic!
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:09 PM
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25. Good luck with that. AAR preaches to the choir.
Do you honestly think some right-wing freak is going to tune into AAR to be educated?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:26 PM
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48. maybe they do not want to be educated and hear the other side
but again, I do not listen to RW radio either, so I may not be getting both sides of the story. AAR was closest to my kind of thinking or what I believe in.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:54 PM
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56. I don't give a rat's ass what you or AA think! I'm certain if
enough listeners get sick and tired of listening to BORING talk radio shows, AA will be hurt.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:41 PM
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78. Dead to me too. RIP AAR n/t
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:10 PM
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26. I'll have to follow Malloy where he goes
I haven't said yet that I will stop listening to AAR. But if Malloy goes to Sirius, I'll go back to Sirius. Mike could maybe get a spot on one of the uncensored channels .
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:17 PM
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30. Stopping my monthly AAR Premium donation-I ONLY did it because of Malloy.
Edited on Wed Aug-30-06 05:18 PM by GreenTea
I basically just donated the eleven bucks each month, because I never used the service...I could picked up Malloy on XM and White Rose Society.

But no more...
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:21 PM
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31. It's a gatekeeper which does no good
it might as well be conservative.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:21 PM
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32. I cut them off when they left Sirius Satellite
It was the only reason I picked Sirius over XM
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:54 PM
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35. I support AAR as long as they have Randi n/t
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PresidentWar Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 05:57 PM
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36. If you guys don't want AAR to be a business....
then get together and send HUGE DONATIONS that they can operate from rather than ad revenues. Until then, you're flapping your gums. Stop throwing spitwads at AAR for operating like a business when they ARE a business. If you want AAR to be a public radio organization, it must reorganize and then have a yearly beg-a-thon to keep going. That's the best hope you have to keep hosts who we love but may not bring in the ad dollars. You ready for that?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:14 AM
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67. Do you happen to remember that this business
has almost gone belly up a half dozen times because they have such poor business sense? I'm doubting that the people who almost ended AAR before it got off the ground because they didn't pay their rent are suddenly wizards of the talk radio business. Ya know? Color me cynical.

This is no "Ah hah!" moment for me, just another nail in the coffin of Air America Radio. It's a shame because with the right business people and the right air personalities (for a list of the right air personalities, check the list of ones fired and almost fired - it reads like a who's who of liberal radio personalities), AAR could have been amazing. Instead they will be an "almost ran" in just a few years.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 08:27 AM
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72. Exactly. Everyone who's deciding to no longer support AAR...
Is simply making a consumer decision. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:12 PM
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37. Rush Limbaugh didn't build an audience and/or
...win converts through a polite style.

I don't get what your reference to Rush Limbaugh is meant to prove.

Also, Kathy didn't say the real reason was financial, just that the reason they were given was "financial."
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:15 PM
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38. I put in dozens of hours of listening to Malloy......
....trying to like it...but simply couldn't like it.

Couldn't take the angry baby talk thing. Alienating to me.

And not because I'm some DLC, centrist triangulator - heck! my fave is probably Thom Hartman - the only human on radio with even a clue of how large an upheaval we need in our economic structure to stop the slide to Mexican-style oligarchy!

But...Mike Malloy? I just can't take that his anger comes out in the form of playground taunts and hysterical bullying. I want liberals to be better than that.

Could it be that there simply are a lot more like me?
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:21 PM
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44. Obviously this will be an unpopular stance here
but I never thought Mike was all that. Oh sure, I'd rather listen to him than anybody on any other talk station, but he certainly isn't the best. He is alot opinion and a little fact. Since he spoke my beliefs, I didn't mind what he said, but I am the epitome of the choir.

Y'all need to take a big giant chill pill and remember that AAR is all we've got.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:20 AM
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68. Actually, if AAR is all we've got
then the pill I need isn't a chill pill, it's an antidepressant.

Nope, we've chosen to hitch our fortunes to a poorly run company with much better ratings than it deserves and much poorer business acumen than we deserve. It kind of reminds me of what we do with our political party - we suffer far too many of those fools far too gladly. I'm tired of suffering fools whether their names are Lieberman or Air America Radio.

I think it's well past time to put our prodigious support behind other venues. This ship has sailed and I've been suspecting for some time that its name is the Titanic.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:22 PM
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45. Do we even know if this is true?
Even if it is, I have a problem with his wife coming on a discussion board and stirring all this up before he's even been removed from the AAR website.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:29 PM
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75. His wife is the producer of the show
She would be in the position to know.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:10 PM
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80. ok. But do they check credentials on this board?
that's what my point was, really.

I don't really care anymore. AAR is no longer in Atlanta and if it ever came back, it sounds like I wouldn't even recognize it anymore.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:22 PM
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46. I completely agree.
It is EXTREMELY disappointing that Mike will be gone, but I still won't give up my AA. It's a lifeline for me. I do hope Mike comes back to AA, or reappears somewhere else.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. well we all maybe pissed but hopefully Mike will be picked up
by some other station or satellite company.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:54 PM
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53. Maybe the Left Station on Sirrius? Hope, hope.
I have XM but my husband has Sirrius. I'm in his car almost as much as mine.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:23 PM
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47. People are just angry and ranting...like you!
Everything will calm back down in a few weeks. Elections to worry about. Mike will find somewhere else and so too will my patronage.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 06:34 PM
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51. imho... rush made converts thru unapologetic bigotry -- not centrism
and AAR isn't the only liberal media. it's not the end of the world if they fail miserably with every decision -- it's just -- natural selection.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:01 PM
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54. AAR is the only major player that is liberal and Rush was supported by the
conservatives and the GOP unlike those who are always pulling their support from AAR. Geez louise, the way to victory is UNITING ourselves in support of our media not haring off over every disagreement.We could learn something from how they support their own.We eat our own and see where its gotten us!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:46 PM
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55. i agree with your sentiment... from the ground that's how it looks... but
rush had the leadership and the money and the machine behind him. sure there was grassroots support... but only after he became outrageous...

i don't have a dog in this hunt. when AAR left Sirius, they went off my radar. but, i have real issues supporting a for-profit media outlet... just because... i give so much to public radio... and

see...


it's like PAYING for one of those Executive Saver cards -- paying to be marketed to.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:55 PM
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57. K&R
:thumbsup:
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oxymoron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-30-06 07:59 PM
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58. I agree completely
Sometimes our side is so unbelievably short sighted. :eyes:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:34 AM
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60. Yeah, if this were the first time or even the second time
the did something so monumentally stupid, I would agree, but it isn't and I think you are wrong, AAR is here to preach to the choir just as Rush is there to preach to their choir. No one is swayed by Rush - dittoheads didn't become dittoheads because that fuckwit made converts and those of us who listened to the Majority Report and Mike Malloy were not swayed by them, we were inspired by them and bolstered in our difficult fight. I listened to their banal and vapid and repetitive commercials just so I could get that inspiration and bolster. They keep shooting themselves in the foot and I, for one, am tired of ignoring the blood.

They've never been that good and they've been financial morons from the get go, honestly, and they keep getting rid of their best and brightest (I'm guessing Randy Rhodes and Rachel Maddow are next on the chopping block). They are becoming a microcosm of the Democratic party - trying for the middle mediocrity and failing at everything. They've got a great name. I would like them to live up to it. They aren't.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:12 AM
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66. People were swayed by Rush. I have family members that have never
recovered. It is too bad we can't support AAR the same way the RW supported Rush and RW radio . But some would rather be so called "right" or 'Correct' then actually take back the country.It's a lot easier to bitch than actually work together for change.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 03:31 AM
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69. Here's the thing, though
This company is run by yahoos who couldn't even keep the lights on at the beginning and they've hemorrhaged money from the get go. I won't deny that I'm angry about this decision but probably a lot less than others because I see this as one more bad decision from a company that has made an art out of shooting themselves in the foot. I want a stellar left wing radio company, hell, I want it to have the stellar name of Air America Radio but these people don't have any business sense whatsoever and I'm tired of watching the slide into mediocrity that will culminate in the sad end of what should have been something great. They had the momentum but they keep doing these stupid things. No company can recover from continually doing such stupid things. If they've got the urge to fire folks, I can suggest a whole passal of executives and an owner who are in desperate need of firing. Air America does need a personnel shake up but it shouldn't be Mike Malloy.

What I'm saying is that Air America Radio has been a problem for some time. The fact that it's our problem doesn't mean that we need to throw good money after bad. We've done that with so many of our politicians for so long. Let's try something different!
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 02:50 AM
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62. Malloy...truth to power.
Randi...oh, shut up, why am I even talking to you, it's MY show after all.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:52 AM
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70. Time to run to the library and get some audio books. Any suggestions?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:35 PM
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76. The announcement was less than 24 hours ago
and the OP is "sick" of hearing from loyal Malloy fans?

My impression is that being "sick" of something comes from repeated exposure over a long period of time. Is 24 hours enough?

Regardless, the OP might be "sick" of hearing it, but nevertheless, lots of people feel that way. Should everyone silence themselves because the OP poster is "sick"? I think not.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:40 PM
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77. AAR is not the only talk left radio.
Among others, like Tony Trupiano, you can listen to Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes on radiopower.org. I especially like their news briefs by Jim Hightower.

Also, KGO has Berie Ward and Ray Taliaferro. Stephanie Miller, Mike Webb, and Guy James are heard elsewhere.

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. Taliaferro is good, albeit less-informed
than Mike. I enjoy Randi, but I will not listen to her on AAR (I'll stream her from WJNO).

AAR is done, imo.
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dharmabum65 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:45 PM
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81. Without Mike AAR can go to hell!
Firing Mike Malloy was an act of abject cowardice and betrayal from AAR!Its just more of the same sickening,disgusting capitulation that the DLC incessantly engages in.They just want to shove this spineless and defeatist attitue down all of our throats.If people like these back stabbers had thier way Joe LIEberman's views would be the only kind of political ideology allowed to be promulgated!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:35 AM
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84. So Randy and Sam and everyone else just don't matter to you?
Nice. Eat our own . That is why we don't win.Lookee.We are piling on ourselves again. Its the old if I can't have Mike I'll have nothing. Swell.Just swell.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:56 PM
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82. AAR just became part of the problem NOT the solution.
The truth of the matter is that most of us around here aren't about to be dragged to the right to be force fed the DLC stew that AAR is intent on serving!

Why is it that you've come on here again posting a 2nd or is it 3rd thread just like those you posted yesterday saying almost exactly the same thing?!

Do you work for AAR?! :eyes:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 06:31 PM
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83. AAR cut me off when they fired Malloy!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 03:38 AM
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85. Yeah,yeah. So what. Another pile on.
Oh well.What else is new.At least the people at AAR have a media outlet.What are the complainers doing ? And I do not agree they were right to fire Mike but it is their decision. Maybe they will be sorry and maybe not.Either way I will continue to support all liberal media.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:47 AM
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87. Go ahead and suck up to AAR.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:54 AM
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89. And others can cut their nose off to spite their face. I said ALL
liberal media. The more media we get the better. I suck up to no one but I will support all Democratic media.In fact I am part of it.But some would rather destroy than build and I guess that is the way they will always be. I respect the difference of opinion but am saddened that all the destructive energy can't be harnessed to make progress.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:56 AM
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90. You still continue to ignore that there is something else going on
here! Who's next to be cut? Randi Rhodes?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:00 AM
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91. Randi is a rainmaker. She brings in money.
They will not cut her.It would be interesting to see the numbers comparing Mike and Randi, allowing for his wretched time slot. Both listener numbers and advertiser dollars.It would be interesting.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:02 AM
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92. Just remember I told you so. You and I both know Randi will not
get the kind of outcry that Malloy is getting when she's fired!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 07:22 AM
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93. Rush Limbaugh
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 07:31 AM by Zorra
made converts for the simple reason that RW corporations figured out that if they put him on the air on every radio station in America 24/7 he would brainwash a substantial segment of the most ignorant people in the US into voting against their own interests, and voting in the best interests of corporations.

AAR will never receive the type of corporate backing that will put AAR on every station in America 24/7.

I listen to AAR for information and entertainment. I bought an XM radio specifically so that I could listen to AAR. So I never have to ever again even momentarily have to listen to a hatemongering fascist pig spout their deliberate lies and propaganda on the radio.

I really do hope that AAR makes some converts, but I don't really want them to schmooze and lie like RWers in order to do that. And I don't want making converts to be the main agenda of AAR. I need it to be an escape from the RW stupidity I see and hear all around me every day.

Now, Mike Malloy is my favorite radio talk show host. When I listen to Mike, I know for sure that there is at least one other person that understands what has happened to my country. Someone else that really understands that the US really been taken over by fascists, and that our country, and we as individuals, are, in fact, in extreme, imminent danger from these fascists.

Mike really gets it. I am so sick of pipe smoking pseudo-intellectual conservative Joe Lieberman type "Democrats" mulling around in their PJ's who keep pretending that everything is going to be alright if they just play nice with the RW extremists. It's not alright. It's not going to be alright. We, the people of America, are in deep shit. And that is what Mike Malloy is all about. Mike speaks to me. He makes me feel a solidarity with an active, growing, and effective democratic resistance to the rapidly spreading fascism that is destroying our country.

Mike is simply trying to tell all them po-jama people that it is time to

WAKE THE FUCK UP RIGHT NOW AND DO SOMETHING OR YOU REALLY ARE GOING TO LOSE YOUR FREEDOM

Now, I'm not going to stop listening to AAR because they fired Mike.

But there are 3 hours each weeknight that I will no longer be listening to AAR.
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