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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:31 PM
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Poll question: What Party Suits You Best?
I see many who here take issue with the Democratic Party and have condescendingly described them as "spineless, leaderless, and confused".

Sorry, but I happen to consider myself part of that Political party so I do take it a bit personal.

So I would like to know if we have a Party at all or just a bunch of whiners picking our leadership apart. There are only two Parties. So chose carefully:
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:32 PM
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1. But there aren't "only two parties." Do you mean only two parties
in your poll?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:33 PM
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2. Only Two Parties with Power in Gov (nt)
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:35 PM
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3. If a was a member of another party, I'd be at THEIR website...


I am a PROUD DEMOCRAT !!!!
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:35 PM
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4. of course i voted dems, but
acknowledging we've got a vacuum in leadership doesn't mean we're attacking the party, much like acknowledging our current leadership in the country is a joke doesn't mean we're attacking the country.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:36 PM
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5. I'm a Democrat, and our party is sucking right now.
As a party member, I want to be represented. What's wrong with calling out party members who are falling down on the job? We are their bosses. They need to either do their job as we say or they're fired.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:37 PM
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6. I feel your pain
It's almost like going to a right wing site. Alot of bashing of Democrats.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:41 PM
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9. You are SOOOOOOOO right William !!
One week this place is on top of the world, the next week (a handful anyway) are bitching and whining.

It does sound like a bunch of whiney ass right-wingers on here sometimes...



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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:53 PM
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15. Thanks Brother (nt)
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:38 PM
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7. Is this a freeper trap?
I doubt they'd be so bold as to vote though. What with "big brother" Skinner watching and all. :D
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:43 PM
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12. IT's a Trap!
ADMIRAL ACKBAR:It's A Trap!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:40 PM
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8. I've been a Dem since 1965. The "leaders" are spineless, etc.
Which goes with being politicians. Politicians are followers - not leaders. Always have been. We have to get past believing that a party or politician can bail us out.

Vote issues, not party, or politicians. If you can find common ground with a party or politician vote that way. If not, don't vote, or find another party or politician. It's called democracy.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:41 PM
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10. Standing against a war of aggression and chastising those who support it..
should not be called "whining".
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:42 PM
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11. It's my party and I'll whine if I want to
Let the mods sort it out. :) I didnt vote, since they didnt give see the
"silly party" as a choice.

Call me a whiner again. Cmon. I triple-dog-dare you. Oh wait I apologize for that statement, it crossed the line. (channelling Harry Reid here...)

Reid's apology is a great example of some spinelessnes. There are other examples too, but heaven forfend that we should offend your sense of loyalty.

Verr are your papers?
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:56 PM
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17. I beg your pardon!
Get it right. That's the "Silly Walk" party.


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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:12 PM
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I wholeheartedly endorse the platform of Tarquin Fintim-Limbim-Whimbim-Lim Bus Stop-F'Tang-F'Tang-Olé-Biscuit-Barrel.
:patriot:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:44 PM
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:48 PM
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14. The question is simple.
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 03:24 PM by longship
Do you want to build the Democratic Party to be the party of the future, or do you want to give the Repugs just what they want, the division of the Democratic Party so that we will never again gain power.

To my thinking the choice is simple. I choose to build the Democratic Party.

A very good way of doing that is to replicate Pat Robertson's techniques from the late 70's and early 80's which allowed his rapture right minions to sieze first the Michigan Republican Party and then, over the next two decades, the rest of the states' Repug apparatus.

Step 1: Contact your county Democratic Party people and tell them that you want to be a precinct committee person. If there already is a precinct committee person, and that person is a centrist, run against him or her. This will mean that you'll have to get on the ballot and will have to campaign for votes, but it's worth it. The goal is to get progressives at the conventions.

Step 2: Participate in the county convention. Get involved in building progressive values into the party.

Step 3: Run for district and state committees, in turn. Once you're at the state level you can run for national delegate. If you win you'll get to go to the national convention as a delegate and wear weird hats, shirts and crazy costumes.

That's how it's done folks. Notice that if you choose to leave the Democratic Party, as many here have professed doing, none of this happens and the Dems' power in government will sunset. Who will benefit from that? I suggest that it would be only the Repugs.
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dfgrbac Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:53 PM
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16. NONE!
I've been a Democrat all my voting life, and almost always voted the straight party ticket. It was obvious to me early on that the Republicans were owned by the money interests. But, to our dismay the Democrats are in the same boat now.

Think about it; it's the corruption of the Democrats that allowed the Republicans to take power in 1994. If the Democrats were doing their jobs, this would never have happened. And Reagan would never have became President either for that matter.

There is only one solution that will save our country - democracy.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:26 PM
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19. So you're saying "You're either with us or against us"?
Perhaps we're "undemocratic" for questioning their actions and speaking about their flaws?

Maybe we're "emboldening" the Republican Party?



Well, you get my point...


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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:35 PM
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20. Maybe I Am
Flaws is one thing, but this:

"spineless, leaderless, and confused".

are you? Do you belong to the Democratic Party?

Why even bother? Sounds pretty useless and non-constructive to me. That's in itself is a major flaw.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:39 PM
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21. I think it's a RESPONSIBILITY to speak up when you see something wrong.
I'm a Democrat. I think the party is lost. With few exceptions, it IS "spineless, leaderless and confused" in my opinion. How do I change that without addressing what I see as the problems?

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:48 PM
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22. Good... Then Change It
Just remember, some of us feel we are part of the Party and not just looking from the outside looking in. Surely you can see that?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:54 PM
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23. If I didn't feel part of it, I wouldn't care.
Just because people criticize Democrats in Congress doesn't mean they're on the outside looking in. In fact, it means just the opposite.

How many posts criticizing Republicans for being weak have you seen here?
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 04:31 PM
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24. Done
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:19 PM
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25. I'm a democrat. I have no other choice.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 07:30 PM
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26. Ok Mods smoke em out
those 3 republicans.. :rofl: just kidding.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 07:38 PM
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27. the party is not the leadership
and we have two leadership groups: actual leaders and those in charge of party power and machinery--with some overlapping. I registered Dem basically the moment I turned 18, and I'll be damned if I'll be fed retooled versions of the with-us-or-against-us-don't-ever-criticize-the-morally-bankrupt claptrap emanating from President Bonzo.
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