Do you believe the WP and its blaming Wilson for Plamegate?

[usregimechange]

"it now appears that the person most responsible for the end of Ms. Plame's CIA career is Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson chose to go public with an explosive charge, claiming -- falsely, as it turned out -- that he had debunked reports of Iraqi uranium-shopping in Niger and that his report had circulated to senior administration officials. He ought to have expected that both those officials and journalists such as Mr. Novak would ask why a retired ambassador would have been sent on such a mission and that the answer would point to his wife. He diverted responsibility from himself and his false charges by claiming that President Bush's closest aides had engaged in an illegal conspiracy. It's unfortunate that so many people took him seriously." WP http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/31/AR2006083101460_pf.html

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

1. Unbelievable, totally unbelievable.

Here's my take on this: Armitage took the fall for KKKarl. Is there nothing these neocons won't do for each other????

[usregimechange]

2. A couple of points...

July 17, 2003 was when Cooper's article was published. That was 3 days after Novak's article (July 14th 2003). June 23, 2003 and again on July 8, 2003 and July 12, 2003 was when Libby spoke with Miller. Is that before or after July 14th 2003? How the hell can they say Armitage was THE leaker?

Remember Novak cited "two senior administration officials." That can't possibly be Armitage because, well, he is only one person.

[unblock]

3. over the top. wilson helped the terrists by outing brewster-jennings

they all but accuse wilson of treason. he shoulda known that objecting to shrub would lead to the exposure of our entire nuclear wmd tracking intelligence network!

:wtf:

[blue cat]

6. I thought that it was no big deal

that she was exposed? They are either sure that the charges won't come down against anyone but Libby, or they are trying to plant some seeds of doubt because they are getting ready for the civil trial.

[blue cat]

4. This makes my blood boil

They are spreading this shit thick. Scarbororgh and Hitchens were asking for apologies from basically everyone. I wrote Joe an email telling him that I would throw tomatoes at him if I could.

[OhioBlue]

5. where do they come up with

Wilson falsely claiming that he had "debunked reports of uranium-shopping in Niger"

[usregimechange]

9. Did they really just say that? Have we verified that Iraq did?

[NNN0LHI]

7. Yes I believe

WaPo, NYT, LAT, etc, have been carrying water for this administration from the beginning.

Just think about all the important stories from the foreign press about the USA that never even make it into our papers.

Don

[peacetalksforall]

8. I believe everything Wilson said. He was Ambassador there. A main

resource/export of Niger and three(?) surrounding countries is yellowcake. Wilson was also Ambassador to a neighboring country. Anyone who is sent to a country as an employee or Ambassador is immersed in study about the country. An Ambassador is paid to know as much as possible and report what is going on in all areas.

Wilson was also the highest ranking State Dept official in Iraq - and trying to negotiate with Hussein just before Iraq War 1 (and commended by Bush Sr.). He speaks fluent French - the language of those African countries and the second most used diplomatic language. He says he is not a nuclear scientist, but he knows plenty about the trade of yellocake because of his experience.

Everyone forgets that the U.S. Ambassador to Niger at the time he went there on the CIA mission had already conducted a study to determine the veracity of the 'suspicion' that Hussein was trying to buy yellocake from Niger AND HAD REPORTED BACK TO THE STATE DEPT OR HIGHER STHAT THERE WAS NO PROOF OF IRAQ TRYING TO PURCHASE YELLOWCAKE. That was from Bush, Jrs appointed Ambassador.

IN OTHER WORDS - the message came back to Washington twice and the answer was NO - both times. (My words paraphrasing Wilson and deducing what he said on radio and in speeches).

Why doesn't the Washington Post report on the Bush, Jr. Ambassador and her research and outcome? Why don't they interview her and quote her?

I only saw a tiny bit of MSNBC tonight and the lies were blatant, transparent and degrading to the citizens of this country. From the WH to GE and from GE to NBC and Microsoft and from NBC and Microsoft to MSNBC - to their shills Scarborough and Hitchens - to us.

I repeat I trust Wilson.

Something was said of Scarborough's show about Khan being in Niger while Wilson was. What was that all about? Are they inferring that Wilson and Khan conspired to ?????

Khan is a traffiker in nuclear wmd. Khan is Cheney's partner in the 'arrangement' of nuclear weapons - I doubt that Khan and Wilson were talking together. Brewster Jennings was studying the trafficking of nuclear wmd. When Plame was outed, Brewster-Jennings was ended.

What the hell is wrong with the Washington Post?

This is another affront to our intelligence. GE NBC Microsoft and all their stockholders consider us stupid. And the Waashington Post continues to fail us. It's not the good old days. The Washington Post has declared itself an enemy of the citizens of this country.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

12. "It's not the good old days."

"The Washington Post has declared itself an enemy of the citizens of this country."

Truer words, truer words....

Sorry guys, I took a break to watch Bill Maher, total waste of time, I should've stayed on DU.

Please bear with me here, back in the summer of 1973 my parents took a road trip from their neighborhood on the Southwest Side of Chicago to the "East Coast".

Neither of them had ever been, Daddy was a WWII vet, but he fought in the Pacific and was much more familiar with California, San Francisco to be exact, the farthest west my mother had been was probably Dubuque, IA.

Anyway, they decided to go see Niagara Falls, Cooperstown, NY (Baseball Hall of Fame), Boston, MA, NYC and then Washington, DC.

When they returned from this, their last "road trip" together, my Dad had saved every single issue of the Washington Post from the trip. Daddy was one of the original "Nixon haters". He despised "Milhous" because of the slur-infested campaign he ran against Helen Douglas for Congress after WWII.

The night they got home, Daddy pulled the copies of the Washington Post he had saved out of his suitcase and gave them to me. I'm paraphasing here but he more or less told me, "read every single issue of this paper, these two reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, know what this a**hole is all about."

Daddy then said and I'm quoting him here "The Washington Post will save this country".

My God, how the mighty have fallen.........

I know my father is literally spinning in his grave in Holy Sepulchre
Cemetery in Worth, Illinois and has been since December 12, 2000, but for the present "editors" of the one paper that I always, always respected, to try and blame this on the one person that I truly believe had and still has the best interests of our country in his lifetime of service, is just totally unbelievable...

What's that line from Oliver Stone's movie JFK? "We're through the looking glass, people".

We're definitely there........

:cry: :cry: :cry:

[bling bling]

15. That story bums me out.

"The Washington Post will save this country."

How could he have known that the WP, along with the others, would be infiltrated by the corporate parasites and actually play a role in bringing DOWN this country.

And it's even more sad that the WP doesn't give a hang about how ashamed and disappointed we all are in them.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

17. I don't mean to be sarcastic, but Daddy really, really thought

that at the time and after I read those papers, I thought it myself.

Hell, I remember the night of my 20th birthday, October 20, 1973, Daddy called me at my dorm, and told me to turn on my television. History was being made and not to miss it...

That was the night of the "Saturday Night Massacre". Nixon tried to fire Archibald Cox as Special Prosecutor of Watergate over the "tapes" and Attorney General Eliot Richardson and Assistant Attorney General Donald Ruckleshaus (not sure of the spelling of his name)refused to do it. I'm not exactly sure, but I think the man who finally did it was Robert Bork.

The night Nixon made his speech in August, 1974 announcing his resignation, my Dad told me, "the Republicans will never forgot this. They'll come back to haunt this country and everything it stands for."

Truer words were never spoken....

[peacetalksforall]

20. Come back to haunt us. In the early days of the Clinton impeachment,

certain tv guests on the cable talk shows (CNBC/MSNBC) actually admitted that the actions against Clinton were, in part, to even the score of the Nixom impeachment threat.

They also pushed the Saint Ronnie purity.

What did they give us after that? Two Bush's, a Cheney, PNAC and an intricately-impeccably orchestrated army of operatives determined to take us over and the determined madness to carry it out.

There are two factions in this country - deeply divided. I think I have to admit that they have been much more forward looking. They have wiped out their conscience and pursued money and absolute control and power while we trusted our leaders to keep making things better, building on 20th century progress - assuming neighbors and civic leaders thought like we did - with a conscience and believing stuff like separation of church and state, corporate responsibility, fairness in the courts (for the most part). Not perfect, but in the state of being improved, if not perfected.

Moslems came her expecting American values and look what they are getting. Mexican and Latin American workers came here at the openness of corporations and small business owners and look what they are getting. Raw hate is raining down all over the country. For the most part, most of us are still trying to prove to each other that it really is happening.

Democrats and Independents are not organized and orchestrated. And they never called for or declared a war on Republicans or minorities. They didn't sign on to a takeover of countries by destruction of citizens of another country and the death and maiming of our kids(except for some of their leaders).

[Hamlette]

10. how far she has fallen....I remember when the WP was my hero.

the Internet is the only hope I have left. When you lose the WP (and there have been signs for some time she was lost) there is not much hope. The military-industrialist own our country, we are their serfs.

[Singular73]

11. EXCUSE ME

How is Armitage not part of the Bush Administration??? How is Collin Powell not part of the Bush administartion?

Is Condi not part of the Bush administration???

What kind of shit is this...and how is everyone, including you people buying into this????

Someone explain to me why Collin Powell is not part of the Bush administration.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

13. Honey, I'm not buying it, no way, no how...

Armitage took the fall, pure and simple....

Colin Powell lied to the UN in February 2003 and he knew he was doing it. Armitage is playing the "good soldier", ala his "boss" (Colin Powell) about My Lai, Ollie North about Iran-Contra.

Nothing ever changes with these a**holes. They're all "good soldiers" just like Himmler, Eichmann, Goering, et al.....

edited for stupid grammatical error.

[Singular73]

14. Whats the difference?

[CJCRANE]

21. Colin Powell & Armitage aren't neocons.

They're not in the inner circle, therefore they're expendable. The real Powers-That-Be get to stay in place.

[lonestarnot]

16. You've go to be kidding. Believe them? That is fucking hysterical!

:rofl: OMG :rofl: Wipe my butt on the Washington Post next time I run across one.

[wellst0nev0ter]

18. These Are The Same Jackasses That Ignored Their Own Reporting

on the SAME DAY it turns out, when they make their sad attempts to smear Wilson.

They also forget that they had to issue a MAJOR correction on a key news article that they always cite to back up their claim that Iraq did indeed seek out 400 tons of uranium. Turns out it was IRAN that sought uranium, but what's one letter between smear merchants?

[depakid]

19. Believe the Washington Post?

LOL.

I'd believe the National Enquirer before I'd believe anything that they print.

Especially on this issue.

They have ZERO credibility.

It's gotten to the point where the Post is national embassassment.

[robcon]

22. I believe the Plame case was inconsequential; worse, I think

that Wilson lied, and was caught, and tried to create this BIG story out of the tiny problem of his wife's outing.

His complaints that her life was in danger was mere posturing.
He lied about the source of his yellowcake assignment.
He simply made up the story about circulating the report to the highest levels of the * administration.

I'm glad it caught up Libby in a lie under oath. But Wilson is poison, IMO.