Bill Clinton

[JI7]

instead of hanging out with the Bush family he should have been fighting the crap spewing from the right about how he did nothing about terrorism and the lies about how he was handed Bin Laden "on a silver platter" but turned it down. i probably hate the "silver platter" shit the most because the ignorant ass fuckers just spew it out as if it's a fact when it's totally false .

and now we have some shit on ABC which will blame him . this hurts the entire Democratic Party which makes it worse.

maybe now that his wife may run for President he will finally try to do something about that lie.

and next time some ass brings this up , ask them why did they impeach Clinton for a BJ if he did something so horrible as let a terrorist go and do nothing about our security. why didn't they impeach Clinton for those things if they are true. fools.

[Philosoraptor]

1. makes ya wonder don't it?

if I was him, I'd be royally pissed and righteously indidgnant, but he seems awfully cozy with the people who destroyed him politically.

[JI7]

3. he always had some need for those who hate him to like him

i don't get it. the people who hate him are scum. he should be honored to be hated by such shit. but he always had a certain need for it. some say it goes back to the abusive step father.

but the Democratic Party always loved him. even when he fucked up. even now most of us still do. including those who criticize him. we still defend him against the wingers. and he is loved internationally. he is more loved and respected than Bush. if Bush and Clinton were to go around the world and hold open appearances Clinton would easily have more people come to see him.

[MrSlayer]

2. Don't count on it.

President Clinton is as sold out as anyone.

[Philosoraptor]

4. And Mrs. C. too in my opinion. n/t

[orpupilofnature57]

5. Poppy put a gun to his head ,sure as shit. He's being a good husband maybe

At first I thought was it 9/11 solidarity , GUARANTEED theres a hook we can't see.

[Tellurian]

24. Well of course...

Old Poppy knows Cheney is out of control....but theres nothing he can do to stop the rouge Fat Man...
He also knows, junior is in over his head and he's been playing with fire way too long, and sooner
rather than later, he's going to get burnt. The only man qualified for the Mission Impossible job is
Bill Clinton..I'm sure he included Hillary in the deal...so let it rip, Bill. There will be no tears
from the Bushes if Cheney slips on a banana peel- sooner, rather han later.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. I was working and had insurance when Clinton was in office

Clinton? Good economy, respect of the world, declining infant mortality, declining poverty, declining crime. Massive budget surplus. Vigilance against al-Qaeda, while at the same time, active peacemaking in the Middle East.

These days? Crap economy, ridicule of the world, increasing infant mortality, increasing poverty, increasing crime. Terrorism is growing explosively. The Middle East is a mess. Teenagers are smoking more (probably with good reason). There's more, not fewer, abortions.

We now have Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra -- and we need it. But no Stem Cells. God forbid, no Stem Cells.

Hanging out with Poppy is a shrewd political move. He's severing the Little Emperor from Poppy. Politically, by stroking Poppy's ego, he's cut the kid out from the herd, and cut the herd in half. Now, all we have to do is sever the "Reagan Republicans", and the job will be complete: Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres. (Pour that on your Freedom Fries!) When Li'l Bush is finally toppled, he'll go quick and smooth. And if he makes it to the end of his term in one piece, history will remember him as ... a whistle-ass.

But mainly, the neo-Con movement is dying, and carving it up is the work of many knives, including Big Dog's. His style may be more "conservative" than we'd like, but he's still on Our Side.

So if I get my choice of sell-outs, I'll take Bill Clinton anytime.

--p!

[Tellurian]

10. Yes, good, good and good!

I can hear the sultry Peggy Lee singing in the background:

"Is that all there is, is that all there is
If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all there is."

Not quite, not quite yet. After watching Frontline's new special, The Dark Side.
I sat there in total astonishment, it all starting to sink in-- of what I had just
witnessed as the TRUE Cheney. (I didn't get to see it all. Will watch for it again or just buy the dvd)

I don't think any of us realized just how much the ?guilt? mafia mentality of all his nefarious activities
have forced him underground, not to his bunker, but to insulate and embed himself within the
fabric of our own CiA before homogenizing it with the Pentagon!!!

Frontline's The Dark Side is exposing Cheney for the Political Mafia he's created and the danger he is to our country.

[William769]

19. Couldn't agree with you more.

All this Clinton Bashing (be it him or her) I just don't understand it here on DU (well yes I do) Being gay I understand self hatred.

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. As would I!

So if I get my choice of sell-outs, I'll take Bill Clinton anytime. :thumbsup:

[lostnfound]

7. Any chance he thinks he can change them...?

Naahh. He's not naiive.

[magellan]

8. Why didn't they impeach him for those things

Because they would have implicated themselves.

As for the Clintons, I used to be be a big fan but no more. The more I learn the more I realize how ignorant I was. If they ever were truly part of that very small contingent of brave individuals in DC who hope to change things for the better, they sold their souls out long ago. They're part of the problem, and no amount of democratic gloss will change that for me.

[orpupilofnature57]

9. Because he was arguably ,the best manager we've ever had.

[Tellurian]

11. What Bill Clinton proved to the world was...

WE DON'T NEED TO LIVE IN THE WORLD THE REPUBLICANS HAVE CREATED FOR US!

IF CLINTON HADN'T BEAT POPPY BUSH FOR THE PRESIDENCY, WE NEVER WOULD HAVE
KNOWN ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE WORLD THE BUSH/CHENEY/NEOCON ALLIANCE HAS CREATED
FOR US!

WE'RE LIVING A LIE! A REPUBLICAN CONTRIVED LIE FOR THEIR GREED AND POWER!

IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE!

[orpupilofnature57]

13. Also how he cleaned up the deficit ,making them put some back where they..

got it.But as always
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/09/03_hard.html

[magellan]

14. Which is a response to what?

Sorry, I'm confused about what/who you're replying to.

[orpupilofnature57]

15. I'm sorry ,Bill Clinton and my faith in his Brilliance and commitment to

our country allows Me to not judge him for the company he keeps, as of late.

[magellan]

17. I hope you're joking

Politics isn't a matter of faith.

[orpupilofnature57]

20. Not to belabor the questions ,but are you? ,how were we Shrubed?

[magellan]

21. Again in English?

Or perhaps I need another cup of coffee. I'm not understanding you.

[orpupilofnature57]

22. Politics isn't a matter of Faith? Who said that ?

[magellan]

23. I did

And...?

[acmejack]

12. People here would defend Clinton no matter what.

Despite the fact that his philandering gave the Whitehouse back to the GOP, despite NAFTA, "Oh, but he is is the big dog!" For Christ's sake or your children's open your eyes!

Enjoy your declining standard of living today! You think Bill really "Feels your pain?" Please!

[orpupilofnature57]

18. I know he didn't instill the pain this Misanthrope has , and I still say..

his Shrub is none of my business ,and don't know under the circumstances how he did his ,but he did.Like I said Arguably our best Manager in history.

[KharmaTrain]

16. Clinton Hate Belies Reality & Facts

I just heard some asshat on Washington Journal claim that Clinton gave the North Koreans their nukes and that Al Gore made the Iranian "bomb" (I guess they've already done it)...it's Clinton who let 9/11 happen and caused every ill this country faces now. For Clennis worshipers, there's nothing that will change their need for a Clinton boogie man to be the cause of every trouble in their lives past, present and future.

Be damned that it's been nearly 6 years since our last elected President left office...all problems do and will start and end with Clinton. Amazing how one person...(or two if you count "Billary) has so much power without really any government portfolio. How every boosh screw up has a root in something Clinton did or didn't do. It's all these losers have.

The Repugnicans cannot face the responsibility of their own irrational actions and like little children need someone to blame. They've been so conditioned by Rushbo and others that Clinton was so evil he's become the tar baby for every one of their failures...including those they're still to make. Many Democrats allow this to happen by trying to play "moralist" when it comes to Clinton's personal faux pas that turns into a limp defense that just convinces the kool-aid drinkers how inept he was rather than how they are. It's long overdue to minimalize these people and ridicule them for their ignorance, arrogance and inability to face the heat.

I hope these bastards are scared shit of Hillary. I hope they're so consumed with Clinton hate and focus all the attentions and financial resources in attempting to destroy her. This takes the heat off of many better Democratic candidates. As things get worse and the time passes, the Clinton excuses sound lamer and lamer. There's a big comeuppance about to happen to the right wing...and let's see them blame the Clennis for this.

Cheers...

[mucifer]

26. Just want to point out a few MAJOR Clinton negatives:

!. Nafta
2. Cafta

these were major blows to jobs in the USA and our economy not to mention the environment globally.

3. Clinton's crime bill that lead to more impoverished people in prison for nonviolent drug crimes. Clinton has since acknowledged it was a bad idea.


Yes, I would vote for Clinton in a second over any neocon or conservative repub, but he was far from ideal in my opinion.

[orpupilofnature57]

28. Valid Criticisms

[applegrove]

27. Clinton did turn down an opportunity to blow bin Laden out of the sky.

Hindsight is 20/20. It should be noted that bin Laden was #1 on the hit list with the CIA at the end of Clinton's Presidency. Leslie Stall did a 60 Minute interview with the CIA at that time. Clinton also go confirmation it was bin Laden that did the Coal bombing. He handed Bush the battle plan for Afghanistan... and Bush did nothing with it.

It is election season. So any time you hear a narrative that makes Bush sound like some sorta angel... and scapegoats somebody else... remember it is election season and Bush was the one who sat on bin Laden in favour of focussing on Saddam Hussein in his first few months in office.

And the plan to attack the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan did actually work. Except where Bush stepped in and called troops back from Tora Bora, or, left Afghanistan and moved to Iraq... where the insurgents there re-inspired the Taliban and the war is on again. So Bill Clinton's plan worked. Whatever Rummy does..cause slow wars to develop. And you have to think that is what they want. Cause Rummy keeps making the same mistake over and over and over again.