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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 06:04 AM
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Kissinger Vs. the 9/11 Families
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxjJDlbnC4 (video 1m15s)

transcript:

...President Bush signed legislation today creating an independent commission to investigate the september 11th attack on America. The president named a supporter - doctor Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford administrations - to head the panel.

...He has a (illegible) for secrecy, which is not what's needed here. There are questions about his role in Vietnam, his role in the coup in Chile.

...Several family members approached Kissinger and requested a meeting at his office in New York. Prior to the meeting Kristen Breitweiser conducted a thorough investigation of Kissinger's potential conflicts of interest.

Probably much to the chagrin of some of the people in the room, Lory asked some very pointed questions:
Would you have any Saudi-American clients that you would like to tell us about? He was very uncomfortable, kind of twisting and turning on the couch. Then she asked whether he had any clients by the name of Bin Laden. And he just about fell off his couch.

...Former secretary of state Henry Kissinger stepped down from the position friday.
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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 06:29 AM
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1. They can run & try to hide but eventually WE the People will
dig them out of their fox hole! :nuke:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 06:57 AM
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2. K&R
Kissinger having been appointed is like a large red flag. Kudos to the families pursuing truth.
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UWS_DEM Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 01:07 AM
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12. Kissinger wow
I cannot comprehend why various people have him as a guest on their show (Stewart, eg) and act like everything's normal? It's not normal, hello he's a freaking war criminal!!!!

And yes, the day he was named to lead the 9/11 comm i knew it was a sham and a coverup was likely in play.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 06:58 AM
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3. 9/11 was a joint venture.
Bushco out-sourced their "new Pearl Harbor" to their trusted buddies.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 07:15 AM
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4. I've got a long memory
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 07:19 AM by edwardlindy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1357632.stm As far as I'm aware there's still a current French warrant out for his arrest for not showing at that trial.

for full background go here ref. the original 9/11 : http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/Chile_TOHK.html

We've even had a full tv documentary here in the UK exposing the scumbag's exploits over the years.

edit - think it might have been this :

One of the many documentary interviewees is René Schneider Jr. His father, Gen. René Schneider, was head of the Chilean military when Allende was first elected. The general was killed during an attempt to kidnap him, as he was staunchly committed to the constitution, and would not bow to a coup against Allende. Evidence points to Kissinger directing that botched kidnapping.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326306/
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 07:35 AM
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5. Kissinger is a war criminal. I loved hearing this story.
When you get to be that powerful, people usually don't call you on your bullshit.
This guy had HUGE, obvious conflicts of interests, as did EVERY SINGLE ONE of the commissioners in the Kean Commission. Kissinger never should have been considered to be part of that commission. Amd, neither should any of the commissioners who did serve.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 08:45 AM
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6. Yo
Got the link to KZSC Santa Cruz. Some good music paying now as I write - I like all types. I used to go see Natty Bo with his band the Top Cats most Sunday nights. He's into Ska-Cubano these days : http://www.linea1.com/ska/ :)
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 03:04 PM
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7. Cool, I am part of the DJ collective on the show. I can only sub at a DJ
while I am living in Berkeley, but I plan to move back to Santa Cruz soon. Then I will do the show every third Saturday. Hey, thanks of the link! I love ska, too. Get your skankin' on!

SR
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 02:25 AM
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13. "Trials Of Henry Kissinger" (documentary)
Trials Of Henry Kissinger
http://www.chomskytorrents.org/TorrentDetails.php?TorrentID=1222
http://www.thetrialsofhenrykissinger.com/trials.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/feature_kissinger.shtml
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326306/
Featuring previously unseen footage, newly declassified US government documents, and revealing interviews with key insiders to the events in question, The Trials of Henry Kissinger examines the charges facing him, shedding light on a career long shrouded in secrecy. In part, it explores how a young boy who fled Nazi Germany grew up to become one of the most powerful men in US history and now, in the autumn of his life, one of its most disputed figures.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 03:55 PM
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8. Kissinger Clients Lead To Enron, Cheney and 911




Kissinger Clients
Lead To Enron, Cheney and 911
911 Cover-Up Wobbles


EXCERPT...

Kissinger, Unocal, Enron and Cheney

"On Oct. 21, the nod went to the Americans as Niyazov announced the selection of Unocal. Looking on at the announcement ceremony was former secretary of state Henry A. Kissinger, now a Unocal consultant... The defeat of the Kabul government by Taliban fundamentalist guerrillas in late 1996 brought Unocal new hope of cutting a deal in Afghanistan...... "
Gas Pipeline Bounces Between Agendas
Washington Post, 10 October 1998

"And an FBI source told The Enquirer: 'Enron and Unocal dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into Afghanistan and the Taliban. The pipeline would relieve our dependence on Saudi Arabia -- and Enron would make billions.'..."
Enron gave Taliban $millions
National Enquirer, 4 March 2002

"A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations.... in January 2001, Vice President Cheney allegedly reinstated the intelligence block and expanded it to effectively preclude any investigations whatsoever of Saudi-Taliban-Afghan oil connections. Former FBI counter-terrorism chief John O’Neil resigned from the FBI in disgust, stating that he was ordered not to investigate Saudi-Al Qaida connections because of the Enron pipeline deal. has confirmed that it was O’Neil who originally discovered the AL Qaida pipeline memo after the Embassy bombings in Africa."
What Congress Does Not Know about Enron and 9/11
John Loftus, Press Release, 31 May 2002

CONTINUED w/LINKS AHOY...

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/WATinquirychaos.htm



DIM. DRUNK. TRAITOR.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 02:29 AM
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15. ... and outer space.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:58 AM
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17. Brother Rat! Remember the Old Project ORION?




Project Orion

George Dyson 2001

EXCERPT...

Project Orion took place from 1957 to 1965 at General Atomic, a division of the General Dynamics Corporation established to develop peaceful uses for atomic energy, usually assumed to include everything nuclear except bombs. General Atomic was founded, in 1955, by Frederic de Hoffmann, a young physicist turned entrepreneur who sought to recapture the freewheeling spirit he had known at Los Alamos during the war. General Atomic attracted not only theoretical and experimental talent but the backing of politicians, financiers, and industrialists who, after the success of the Manhattan Project and its hydrogen-bomb successors, were eager to see what de Hoffmann’s colleagues might come up with next. There was a narrow window of opportunity between the launch of Sputnik and the commitment of the United States to an exclusively chemical approach to space. It was only a time like this and a place like General Atomic that gave a proposal as unorthodox as Orion a chance. Where else could a thirty-two-year-old physicist show up for work the day after Sputnik, start daydreaming about how many bombs it would take to put something the size of a nuclear submarine into orbit and spend the next seven years—with the support of General Dynamics, the AEC, the Air Force, and, to a small extent, even NASA—making a serious effort to get the idea off the ground?

De Hoffmann and Taylor secured a $5,000 study contract from the Albuquerque office of the Atomic Energy Commission, a formality that provided access to the classified information necessary to work on anything having to do with nuclear bombs. On November 3, 1957, the day that Sputnik II (with Laika aboard) was launched, General Atomic issued T. B. Taylor’s Note on the Possibility of Nuclear Propulsion of a Very Large Vehicle at Greater than Earth Escape Velocities. The new project was named Orion—for no particular reason, says Taylor, who just picked the name out of the sky. Marshall Rosenbluth suggested the code name be spelled O’Ryan—to throw others off the trail.

By the beginning of 1958, plans to build Orion were taking form. Ted Taylor’s proposal, submitted to ARPA in early 1958, envisioned a 4,000-ton vehicle, carrying up to 2,600 bombs and capable of orbiting a payload of 1,600 tons. Dr. Taylor estimated that a fully completed spaceship could be achieved by 1963-1964 and would cost approximately $500,000,000, Second Lieutenant Ronald Prater, one of ARPA’s contract monitors, noted after a visit to General Atomic in November 1958. Suggested missions ranged from the ability to deliver a hydrogen warhead so large that it would devastate a country one-third the size of the United States to a grand tour of the solar system that Orion’s chief scientists envisioned as an extension of Darwin’s voyage of the Beagle: a four-year expedition to the moons of Saturn including a two-year stay on Mars. Saturn by 1970, announced the physicists. Whoever controls Orion will control the world, claimed General Thomas Power, commander-in-chief of the Strategic Air Command.

In the early spring of 1958, General Atomic began moving from temporary quarters in the Barnard Street School in downtown San Diego to a spectacular facility on 300 acres of mesa above the beaches of La Jolla near Torrey Pines. The centerpiece was a circular technical library, two stories high and 135 feet in diameter—exactly the diameter of the 4,000-ton Orion design. The library, which included a cafeteria, provided a sense of scale. Ted Taylor would point to a car or a delivery truck, the size of existing space vehicles, and say, This is the one for looking through the keyhole. Then he would point to the library and say, And this is the one for opening the door.

Most technical references to Project Orion remain classified to this day. Even the titles of documents were often classified, leaving only occasional clues to their existence, for instance a reference to Ted Taylor and Marshall Rosenbluth’s original report on the possibility of Orion, identified in declassified Air Force correspondence only as GA-292, and by Air Force historians who note that it included all the necessary practical working features for a very large space vehicle... which was sent to ARPA and AFSWC early in 1958. Some of the reasons for this secrecy, such as Orion’s potential as a strategic deep-space weapons platform, are now obsolete. Other secrets, especially the details of how to build miniature, directed-energy nuclear explosives using very small amounts of plutonium, remain as sensitive as ever today.

CONTINUED...

http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/decarlo/projectorion.htm



Then again, you knew all that, Swamp Rat.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 05:11 PM
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9. "He has a penchant for secrecy..."
K&R
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 02:28 AM
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14. thanks
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 05:13 PM
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10. Susan Sarandon's quote:
Edited on Sat Sep-02-06 05:54 PM by nicknameless
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/40572p-38302c.html

Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins are scoffing at Bush's appointment of Henry Kissinger to head a commission probing intelligence and security failures that led to Sept. 11.

"It's like something that 'Mad TV' thought up," Sarandon told us Monday night at a benefit for New York's 21-year-old Vineyard Theater. Asked who she might nominate to join the former secretary of state on the panel, the actress suggested, "How about Slobodan Milosevic? Let's put all the war criminals on it."

Robbins said that appointing Kissinger "made a lot of sense" if Bush doesn't want the public to know of errors in judgment.

"The fix has been in for years," he told us.


"Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order." -- Henry Kissinger
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:17 PM
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11. She forgot Ceausescu
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 08:26 AM
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16. Yep.
Dimson belongs on that website's list too.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 05:49 PM
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18. kick
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