this is scary stuff, if true... or is this tin foil? Operation Cable

[DemInDistress]

Splicer,Garden Plot and yes Rex84. :scared:

Should President George W. Bush proclaim and put into effect Executive Order 12919, "the President would put the United States under total Martial Law and Military Dictatorship." <1> (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/execu.html)

"The President need not wait for some emergency to occur, however. He can declare a National Emergency at any time, and freeze everything. Congress, and the States, are powerless to prevent such an Executive Dictatorship, as long as the President advises Congress in a timely matter." <2> (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/execu.html)



Concentration Camps: Rex 84
Mary Louise, "Plans for Civilian Internment: Stalag 17 American Style," (http://www.tedgunderson.com/Articles/Plans%20for%20Civilian%20Internment.htm) TedGunderson.com, undated.
Carl Jensen, "Civilian Detention Camps," (http://www.pbnnews.4mg.com/articles/civdc.html) PBN News, undated.
FEMA and Rex 84 (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html), Texas State University web, undated.
John O. Edwards, "FEMA Preparing for Mass Destruction Attacks on Cities," (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/14/214727.shtml) NewsMax, July 15, 2002: FEMA "has already notified vendors, contractors and consultants that it needs to be prepared to handle the logistics of aiding millions of displaced Americans who will flee from urban areas that may be attacked. ... The agency plans to create emergency, makeshift cities that could house hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans who may have to flee their urban homes if their cities are attacked." Draft FEMA Bid Notice (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/6/182408.shtml) posted by NewsMax.
Niraj Warakoo, "Rights panelist foresees internment push. Arabs tell of abuses," (http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_072002_camps1.html) Knight Ridder News Service, July 20, 2002.
James Ridgeway, "Ethics, Ethnics Both Under Fire. The Martial Plan," (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0230,ridgeway,36779,6.html) Village Voice, July 24-30, 2002.
Ritt Goldstein, "Foundations are in place for martial law in the US," (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html?oneclick=true) Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), July 27, 2002.
Christopher Ruddy, "FEMA’s Plan for Mass Destruction Attacks: Of Course It’s True," (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/6/183147.shtml) NewsMax, August 7, 2002.
Jonathan Turley, "Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision. Attorney general shows himself as a menace to liberty," (http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/08.15B.ashcr.camps.htm) Los Angeles Times (Truthout), August 14, 2002.
Anita Ramasastry, "FindLaw Forum: Why Ashcroft's plan to create internment camps for alleged enemy combatants is wrong," (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/columns/fl.ramasastry.detainees/) CNN, September 4, 2002.
"Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision," (http://www.prisonplanet.com/081402camps.html) Los Angeles Times (prisonplanet.com), August 14, 2002.
Nat Hentoff, "General Ashcroft's Detention Camps. Time to Call for His Resignation," (http://villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,38006,6.html) Village Voice, September 4-10, 2002.
"Concentration Camps in Okanagon County?" (http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=26857) KXLY News (Spokane, Washington), February 27, 2003.
"FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders," (http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/5561.php) Utah Indymedia, July 26, 2003. Scroll down the article for state-by-state listing of camps' locations.
"FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders," (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm) Friends of Liberty (The Awakening News), September 3, 2004 (update).
Jennifer Loven, "Bush considers using military against avian flu outbreak," (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-04-bush-avianflu_x.htm) Associated Press (USA Today), October 4, 2005.
Specific to a Flu Outbreak
Bush Administration Plan for Flu Outbreaks
"Bush military bird flu role slammed," (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/) CNN, October 5, 2005: "A call by President George W. Bush for Congress to give him the power to use the military in law enforcement roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been criticized as akin to introducing martial law."
David Brown, "Military's Role in a Flu Pandemic. Troops Might Be Used to 'Effect a Quarantine,' Bush Says," (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/04/AR2005100400681.html?nav=rss_health) Washington Post, October 5, 2005.
Mike Whitney, "Martial Law and the advent of the Supreme Executive," (http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m16481&l=i&size=1&hd=0) uruknet, October 6, 2005.



Documents
FM 3-19.40 (formerly FM 19-40). Military Police Internment/Resettlement Operations (http://www.gaianxaos.com/SpecialReports_files/fm3-19-40.pdf), Headquarters, Department of the Army, August 1, 2001. Includes sections on "Protection of Captives and Detainees" and "Protection of Enemy Prisoners of War and Civilian Internees" as they pertain to a military operation. Another copy (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-19-40/) posted on Global Security website.
"Declaration of National Emergency by Reason Of Certain Terrorist Attacks," (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010914-4.html) By the President of the United States of America, September 14, 2001: "This proclamation is not intended to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its agencies, its officers, or any person."
Army Regulation 210–35. Installations. Civilian Inmate Labor Program (http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf), Headquarters, Department of the Army, Washington, DC, January 14, 2005: "This regulation provides guidance for establishing and managing civilian inmate labor programs on Army installations. It provides guidance on establishing prison camps on Army installations. It addresses recordkeeping and reporting incidents related to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and/or prison camp administration."
Other Articles & Commentary
FEMA Executive Orders (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm), The Forbidden Knowledge, undated.
Andrew and Berit Kjos, "Re-Inventing Federalism. How Executive Order 13132 lays the foundation for a global management system," (http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/Federalism8-99.html) Crossroads, August 1999.
Tanya L. Green, J.D., "Executive Orders. A Blueprint for Dictatorship?" (http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/Exec.Orders/EOs.Blueprint.for.dictator.html) Millenium-Ark.net, March 30, 2000.
John O. Edwards, "Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack," (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml) NewsMax, November 21, 2003.
"Forget Osama and Abu: We are Threatened by the Black Helicopter Crowd," (http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/1713520.php) SF Indymedia, April 21, 2005.
Bradley Graham, War Plans Drafted To Counter Terror Attacks in U.S. - Domestic Effort Is Big Shift for Military (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700843.html), Washington Post, August 8, 2005.
pessimist, "Ratlines Over the Side," (http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005815.php) The Left Coaster, October 23, 2005.

With a president having a low 30% favorable rating and the debt in outer space, 2 wars that are uncontrollable, the GOP lives in fear of being swept out of Congress, I ask, can and will this happen?

Concentration Camps: Rex 84
Mary Louise, "Plans for Civilian Internment: Stalag 17 American Style," (http://www.tedgunderson.com/Articles/Plans%20for%20Civilian%20Internment.htm) TedGunderson.com, undated.
Carl Jensen, "Civilian Detention Camps," (http://www.pbnnews.4mg.com/articles/civdc.html) PBN News, undated.
FEMA and Rex 84 (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html), Texas State University web, undated.
John O. Edwards, "FEMA Preparing for Mass Destruction Attacks on Cities," (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/14/214727.shtml) NewsMax, July 15, 2002: FEMA "has already notified vendors, contractors and consultants that it needs to be prepared to handle the logistics of aiding millions of displaced Americans who will flee from urban areas that may be attacked. ... The agency plans to create emergency, makeshift cities that could house hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans who may have to flee their urban homes if their cities are attacked." Draft FEMA Bid Notice (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/6/182408.shtml) posted by NewsMax.
Niraj Warakoo, "Rights panelist foresees internment push. Arabs tell of abuses," (http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_072002_camps1.html) Knight Ridder News Service, July 20, 2002.
James Ridgeway, "Ethics, Ethnics Both Under Fire. The Martial Plan," (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0230,ridgeway,36779,6.html) Village Voice, July 24-30, 2002.
Ritt Goldstein, "Foundations are in place for martial law in the US," (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html?oneclick=true) Sydney Morning Herald (Australia), July 27, 2002.
Christopher Ruddy, "FEMA’s Plan for Mass Destruction Attacks: Of Course It’s True," (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/8/6/183147.shtml) NewsMax, August 7, 2002.
Jonathan Turley, "Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision. Attorney general shows himself as a menace to liberty," (http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/08.15B.ashcr.camps.htm) Los Angeles Times (Truthout), August 14, 2002.
Anita Ramasastry, "FindLaw Forum: Why Ashcroft's plan to create internment camps for alleged enemy combatants is wrong," (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/08/columns/fl.ramasastry.detainees/) CNN, September 4, 2002.
"Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision," (http://www.prisonplanet.com/081402camps.html) Los Angeles Times (prisonplanet.com), August 14, 2002.
Nat Hentoff, "General Ashcroft's Detention Camps. Time to Call for His Resignation," (http://villagevoice.com/news/0236,hentoff,38006,6.html) Village Voice, September 4-10, 2002.
"Concentration Camps in Okanagon County?" (http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=26857) KXLY News (Spokane, Washington), February 27, 2003.
"FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders," (http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/5561.php) Utah Indymedia, July 26, 2003. Scroll down the article for state-by-state listing of camps' locations.
"FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders," (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm) Friends of Liberty (The Awakening News), September 3, 2004 (update).
Jennifer Loven, "Bush considers using military against avian flu outbreak," (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-10-04-bush-avianflu_x.htm) Associated Press (USA Today), October 4, 2005.
Specific to a Flu Outbreak
Bush Administration Plan for Flu Outbreaks
"Bush military bird flu role slammed," (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/05/bush.reax/) CNN, October 5, 2005: "A call by President George W. Bush for Congress to give him the power to use the military in law enforcement roles in the event of a bird flu pandemic has been criticized as akin to introducing martial law."
David Brown, "Military's Role in a Flu Pandemic. Troops Might Be Used to 'Effect a Quarantine,' Bush Says," (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/04/AR2005100400681.html?nav=rss_health) Washington Post, October 5, 2005.
Mike Whitney, "Martial Law and the advent of the Supreme Executive," (http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m16481&l=i&size=1&hd=0) uruknet, October 6, 2005.



Documents
FM 3-19.40 (formerly FM 19-40). Military Police Internment/Resettlement Operations (http://www.gaianxaos.com/SpecialReports_files/fm3-19-40.pdf), Headquarters, Department of the Army, August 1, 2001. Includes sections on "Protection of Captives and Detainees" and "Protection of Enemy Prisoners of War and Civilian Internees" as they pertain to a military operation. Another copy (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-19-40/) posted on Global Security website.
"Declaration of National Emergency by Reason Of Certain Terrorist Attacks," (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010914-4.html) By the President of the United States of America, September 14, 2001: "This proclamation is not intended to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law by a party against the United States, its agencies, its officers, or any person."
Army Regulation 210–35. Installations. Civilian Inmate Labor Program (http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf), Headquarters, Department of the Army, Washington, DC, January 14, 2005: "This regulation provides guidance for establishing and managing civilian inmate labor programs on Army installations. It provides guidance on establishing prison camps on Army installations. It addresses recordkeeping and reporting incidents related to the Civilian Inmate Labor Program and/or prison camp administration."
Other Articles & Commentary
FEMA Executive Orders (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm), The Forbidden Knowledge, undated.
Andrew and Berit Kjos, "Re-Inventing Federalism. How Executive Order 13132 lays the foundation for a global management system," (http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/Federalism8-99.html) Crossroads, August 1999.
Tanya L. Green, J.D., "Executive Orders. A Blueprint for Dictatorship?" (http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/Exec.Orders/EOs.Blueprint.for.dictator.html) Millenium-Ark.net, March 30, 2000.
John O. Edwards, "Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack," (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml) NewsMax, November 21, 2003.
"Forget Osama and Abu: We are Threatened by the Black Helicopter Crowd," (http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/04/1713520.php) SF Indymedia, April 21, 2005.
Bradley Graham, War Plans Drafted To Counter Terror Attacks in U.S. - Domestic Effort Is Big Shift for Military (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/07/AR2005080700843.html), Washington Post, August 8, 2005.
pessimist, "Ratlines Over the Side," (http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/005815.php) The Left Coaster, October 23, 2005.

Thank you..
edit to add the link: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch

[havocmom]

1. And if the GOP fails in Nov

or is so far behind in polls they can't credibily steal in Nov, that will be an emergency to the junta. No way they are gonna risk facing consequences for all their crimes.

The neocons serve only themsleves and their corporate masters. They think they ARE America. So what is a threat to them they take as a threat to America.

The rest of us know better. But how many will actually take to the streets in case the neocons pull their trump card?

[DemInDistress]

5. How many revolutionaries do we need mom? I'm in..

if that scumbag ever calls Martial Law without a reason (he can) I'll get my V- vendetta mask ready and I know I will have countless others with me and you too havocmom.

Reading some of those stories give me chills because this administration above any in all American History have the ways,means and desires to control the World.

thanks mom...

[havocmom]

7. Not sure we need Revolutionaries. Americans who value America

and its principles should do. Citizens who understand that Democracy is NOT a spectator sport would work. People who stop shrugging and accepting crap... People who recall, or read and understand RFK's words would do.

[david_vincent]

2. A. yes it can

B. no it won't
At least, not generally. These "public control" things are in place for specific purposes, either having to do with major health emergencies (such as bird flu, if it ever happens) or for targeting specific groups. If these plans are ever implemented, chances are we'll see Muslims rounded up and incarcerated, not the general public -- although, I guess, you could say that there are so many Muslims in America that it amounts to the same thing. I think that wouldn't happen until we have an overt Christian theocracy in power, which definitely is a possibility. Christians have a long history of persecuting, torturing, and murdering anyone they don't like.
Given the total failure of systems in place to help people fleeing from Katrina, it seems doubtful whether efforts to locate, register, shelter, transport, and control large numbers of people would succeed. Such plans might be simply impracticable due to entrenched incompetence. Three cheers for the nepotism that gives us men like Michael Brown!

my two cents' worth

[DemInDistress]

8. David,, this BFEE has too much to lose by not imposing

martial law.. MURDER. THEFT. TREASON. and if the Democrats take even the House I see many new investigations
into the conduct,lies and deceit from the BFEE.


thanks David for the input..

[Jackpine Radical]

9. Actually, I think what happened in Katrina was actually a Bush SUCCESS!

Everything went very well. A Democratic city in the deep south has been eliminated. The people WERE controlled, in that they were kept away from the Ownership class & dispersed. Sheltering, feeding & other humanitarian gestures were not high on the priority list.

[Extend a Hand]

3. saving

to review...quite an impressive list of links.

[Sinti]

4. They are true, but people actually make more of them than is really there

Garden Plot is an ongoing thing, directed at whoever they see as a threat ATM. For example, they had a plan under Garden Plot to "round up" militant blacks in the late '60s early '70s under nixon.

Rex 84 is/was a continuation of Garden Plot in a sense, in that it was a plan to "round up" Latino immigrants, during Reagan's time. All the war mongering we did in Latin America at the time had them nervous that there would either be a huge influx of illegal immigrants (running from bombs) or that our native Latino/Latina population would revolt.

And Cable Splicer is, of course, their plan for implementing martial law in a nationwide sense, IIRC, in case of a national emergency.

The plans are there, but at this time I don't believe our military (the grunts who do the wet work) would be willing to go to the extremes some people speculate upon. I know a lot of military folks, they took at oath to the Constitution and are there to protect (therefore would not harm) us. OTOH groups like Blackwater do exist, using foreign soldiers of fortune and such... still they'd have to deal with our own steadfast soldiers. It would get really ugly IMO.

I do not think it will happen, unless - and this is the $64 question - there is a major terrorist attack that kills tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans. If that happens it's anyone's guess.

Hell of a compilation of links BTW.

[DemInDistress]

10. Sourcewatch.. great site, Still there is a good deal of truth

to these stories. Is it far-fetched to think of Martial Law as bush's last trump card? Especially now,with the
GOP being slammed all over the country Americans are angry (60%)then look at the corruption among those GOP
leaders their falling as fast as bush's poll numbers.

No doubt we'll all know soon since the election is just 2 months away and the changing of the guard will take place in January 07'

thanks for your input..

[leveymg]

6. They could issue the order anytime. But, who'd carry it out?

When I posed this very scenario to a DC police captain twenty-five years ago at Reagan's first Inauguration, and asked him what his officers would do if the feds ordered them to conduct illegal mass arrests, he said, "There'd be firefights in the streets of Washington."

Personally, I don't think anything's changed, except that Dubya is a whole lot weaker politically (and less dangerous) than Reagan was.

States of siege don't happen without boots on the ground. Right now, I don't believe that anyone -- except for a few chosen BushCo loyalists -- are going to follow this President too far off the beaten path.

A transparent attempt on this Administration's part to declare a bogus state of emergency would more likely end in a coup than concentration camps.

[havocmom]

11. Who would carry it out, indeed.

My favorite scene from the Milagro Bean Field War:

The spooky feds, all juiced on his self-perceived power, surrounded by a rag-tag band of locals, come to free a cow. Sheriff reminds the feds of Custer and the lesson there.

And I recall the Soviet troopers who would not fire on their mothers and grandmothers. American troops are human too.

What worries me is the fundy fringe prominent in the Air Force. I fear they may execute an order to hit Iran where ground troop branches of the military may tell the junta to shove it. Generals and others given to religious fervor might be dangerous at home too.

And then there are the mercs. There are no nations, only corporations. And corporations have been building private armies. There have already been cases of private firms doing public patrolling. NOLA, and the Forest Service have shown glimpses of the privatization of 'law' enforcement. It is happening and that is a worry.

But we still have sheer numbers working in our favor. We just have to keep people awake. And THAT is the current battle front. The neocons know it and are very busy consolidating communications.

Might do well to start raising pigeons ;)

edit: typo

[leveymg]

13. It's gotten to the point that most federal officers are more concerned

about the danger of subversion from above than about us.

Yes, we are being watched, and I am most concerned about the private DHS and NSA contractors who design and maintain the technical means of domestic intelligence collection. We'll learn in coming years that the MZM-Cunningham-GOP dirty tricks scandal was just the tip of the iceberg.

I live and work in the DC area. I know all sorts of military, spooks, federal law enforcement. They know what's going on - yes, most of them voted Bush in, but a very large percentage (most?) are appalled, angry and disaffected by the abuses, incompetence, greed, and general stupidity that this Administration has displayed in Iraq, New Orleans, and in its mismanagement of the economy. Domestic spying has always been a fact of life. What's different now is the scale of it, but the outright politicization of intelligence has been resisted, and there will be more prosecutions of the worst actors.

Yes, some of the Commands -- NOCOM, CENTCOM and STRATCOM -- in particular, are headed by Bushites, of various stripes. This is extremely worrying, but not only to us. The JCS has safeguards against an attack order that isn't supported by a consensus at the National Command Center in the Pentagon.

The worst-case would occur if something were to happen to the military brass in DC. Then, effective control over nuclear and forces within Continental US would shift to STRATCOM in NE and NOCOM in CO. If there were any forewarning of a crisis, POTUS and much of the WH staff would be moved there, also. That would be a very dangerous situation to have the button directly under the finger of Dubya, without the advise and consent of the top commanders.

[havocmom]

16. Would dare to say most federal workers have fear of subversion

from the top. There are some bad apples, but I do believe most really do care and serve THE NATION and not the party. And they are seeing top posts going to people based on political ideology rather than merit.

I FIRMLY believe there is a civil war in America right now. It is raging between the neocons and their appointed departmental heads and REAL public servants. It is going on in INTEL, federal law enforcement and every department of federal agencies. There are people who are proud to serve the NATION and they see that is being destroyed.

There are lots of acts of defense of the nation we do not read about. It goes beyond the whistle blowers. The rank and file of most departments are probably finding all sorts of ways to toss wooden shoes into the neocon machine.

The fact that the junta is having so much trouble now tells me there are some clever INTEL and brass who are defending the Constitution against enemies domestic.

[leveymg]

17. Glad you see that, too.

The only thing that's standing between progressives and a return to power in America -- progressive Democrats ran the New Deal and served with distinction in World War Two -- is the habit of an instinctive distrust of people in uniform. While it is an understandable response among the persecuted, fear of authority is a handicap to those who eventually run things.

Right now, we must defeat the neo-fascist menace of BushCo and the neocons. This is a project that transcends the traditional Liberal/Conservative divide. It is struggle that requires all people of good will and good sense to come together to save our country.

Restoring a constitutional order is a patriotic duty for all Americans. If we progressive Democrats continue to lead a disciplined, loyal opposition, we will win back a leadership role in this country. When we recognize that we are not fighting this struggle alone, and learn how to work with allies who do not resemble us, we will be ready to govern again.

[DemInDistress]

14. remember the RNC in NYC in 2004? 1,700 arrests by NYPD.

alone.

its just that this current regeime has far to much to lose besides their power. bush could be the first president ever brought up on serious criminal charges.

A democratic congress will salivate at the prospects of opening new investigations.

[leveymg]

15. The NYPD used a heavy hand.

They can be very territorial and very rough -- but, all in all, it was a mixed bag. The cops would say, a lot of people were arrested, but they could have arrested a whole lot more, partularly during the unpermitted march on Monday past the Garden.

It wasn't Chicago '68.

[bamacrat]

12. Thanks, I just shit my pants.

I could totally see this happening if the Pukes lose in the fall. Scary stuff, its sad that the land of the free has a clause in its Constitution to become the very thing we "hate" the most. DICTATORSHIP, * would love it.

[skids]

18. Well, if it helps...

...much of the above links are about plans to be administered by FEMA. How ya think those are going, for real?

[Rosco T.]

19. Pay REAL CLOSE ATTENTION to this one....

* 1051 - The Director of the Office of Emergency Planning authorized to put Executive Orders into effect in "times of increased international tension or financial crisis". Is also to perform such additional functions as the President may direct.

think about that one... REAL CAREFULLY....

[sandnsea]

20. This is the "Klintoon" conspiracy

This is the SAME stuff that the right wingers were ranting on about during the Clinton years, except they were convinced it would be some sort of gun grabbing fundy Christian detention. Some people really need to take up yoga or something.

[leveymg]

21. Actually, much of this dates back to the Reagan-Bush era

Bush 43 is a writhing growth that sprung from its parent's carcass.