Salons's Walter Shapiro agrees with Molly. Dems ought to go down fighting!

[flpoljunkie]

The article is titled "Rove, It's the Eternal War, Stupid." Shapiro, former political correspondent at USA Today, is now Salon's Washington bureau chief.

What Rove underscored in his stripped-down presentation was the degree to which the White House is gearing up for another "He Protected Us Against Osama bin Laden Even If We Can't Find Him" election. For terrorism remains the most potent political argument for reelecting a Republican Congress. Iraq may be a quagmire, but Rove and Co. are stuck with it. That is why Democratic critics will constantly hear variants of Rove's assertion, "To retreat before victory has been won would be a reckless act -- and the president and our party will not allow it."

Rove and Mehlman seized on the attacks on the National Security Agency's outside-the-law eavesdropping with such zest that it was clear that they regarded the leak of the story to the New York Times as a political plus for the president. (Note to the blogosphere: I am not a conspiracy theorist suggesting that the Republicans are the leakers in this case.) As Rove put it, "President Bush believes if al-Qaida is calling somebody in America, it is in our national-security interest to know who they're calling and why. Some important Democrats clearly disagree. This is an issue worthy of a public debate." The message for the congressional Democrats from this ought to be that the Republicans are going to attack them as weaklings no matter what they do, so instead of rolling over and bleating "We love warrantless wiretapping too," they ought to go down fighting.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/01/21/rove/

[rodeodance]

1. i have no intention of 'going down'

[tulsakatz]

7. true......that's the wrong way to frame it.....

The fighting part I agree with though........

[rodeodance]

2. but I agree--

......The message for the congressional Democrats from this ought to be that the Republicans are going to attack them as weaklings no matter what they do, so instead of rolling over and bleating "We love warrantless wiretapping too," they ought to go down fighting.

[stepnw1f]

3. Going Down?

Come on Molly. We aint goin' down.

[seabeyond]

4. and if they do go down fighting we support them right? OR blame

them for going down, fighting or otherwise?

i have heard dean and kerry send out fightin words only for media to pick up a piece and play it as a jab to the dem. using media to ignore all that was said, yet to make the dem the bad guy. kinda like hillary's whole speech the other day and instead they pulled plantation and attacked with that. dems have gotten on board, calling the dem that was going down fighting the very worse..... just as many on this board did with hillary

so when people jump on this thread saying ya dems, fight.... go down fighting...... you dems will be the one supporting our dems that went down,... fighting, right?

i dont believe it for a second. i think the dems will pile on and beat the shit out of them at least as much as the media and repugs. but then that is just my guess, after being on this board for so long

[EST]

5. For the most part,

congressional dems are stuck in 1976. The crooks and thugs, endemic to this congress, have turned the whole thing into a vicious, winner-take-and-keep-all enterprise that has left them, with few exceptions, powerless, helpless, faithless, and in a blind funk that has diverged sharply from reality. Well, another night of writing letters--"Wake up, Nero, it's a lot later and bleaker than you realize!"

[DemInDistress]

6. Retreat before victory....wait a minute

May 1 2003. Bush stunts for the camera and the sheep..
" Major combat operations in Iraq are over America and her allies have won a great VICTORY" Mission Accomplished.. the sad part is less than 100 brave soldiers had died.