I AM FURIOUS! Is * going to get away with ruining the USA??? I just

[onecent]

listened to the 5:00 news on CBS....Ford is facing bankruptcy...and cutting lots of jobs on Monday.

I am retired 4 yrs with Ford after 30 years.(I got rid of my stock years ago), but my beef is my pension may be worthless.?? How has this dipshit gotten SUCH CONTROL OF EVERYTHING????????? I don't think I"ve ever been as mad as I am right now.

I still have insurance (don't expect that to last) I still have dental (that's probably gone)...I still have a monthly check. I may be working at Micky D's with the rest of the thousands that are going to get screwed.

God How I hate this man. WHY? WHY is this shit happening?????????????????

Sorry for the rant. It's just so very sad when you live the American dream....and think it's going to always be this way!!

[Cooley Hurd]

1. It's ALWAYS okay to rant about that fuckwit here...

Kicking and recommending!:kick:

[Frustratedlady]

2. That has to be scary for you

and I wish there was something that could be done, but what?

I'm afraid he's ruining the economy to the point that Social Security and Medicare will also be gone. Then what?

I don't think he can touch my pension, but he'll sure try.

You are going to have lots of company, but that's no consolation for an empty belly. Just know that we are here for you to rant whenever you want!!!! Good luck!

[NanceGreggs]

3. I don't blame you for your ANGER!

It's a VERY SMALL consolation, but I think of it this way:

It's not just Democrats that are feeling this anger, as their own personal situations become increasingly clear to them. The Republicans who have put Bush on a pedestal are losing their job security, their pensions, their American Dream, right along with the Democrats who have opposed him and his policies from the beginning.

It is not the Democrats nor the Republicans who are going to crush this Administration, the Neo-Cons, and everything they stand for -- it is the American working man and woman (who are legion) who will eventually throw up their hands, collectively, and scream: "I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!"

[EC]

28. What gets me is these same Republicans will one day say

"Well, why didn't you warn us if you knew this was happening?" When we've been screaming it at the top of our lungs since, oh I don't know, 1999. Those of us who took the time to look up this guys record from Texas were telling them and they stuck their fingers in their ears....

[Clark2008]

4. Thank you for your great work.

I have a 12-year-old Mustang that only THIS past year needed brakes and a sensor replaced. Other than the general wear and tear of a car (clutch replacement, battery, etc.) this car has not given me a lick of trouble. It even broke down whent he sensor went out in my driveway - got me home safely.

And my last Mustang before that took a hit by a Mack truck going 45-mph and the passenger compartment held me safely. The car crumpled around the passenger compartment and I had to be pried out, but the interior was UNCHANGED with the exception of glass from the back window. Anyone sitting anywhere in that car would have been safe.

Thank you again. You may have even built one of these fabulous cars.

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. "Values Voters"

God, Abortion, Guns and Gays. GAGG Me :puke: :banghead: And if the Pukes weren't sure that that would be enough too cinch the election outcome for them, there was always plan B Diebold. I hope your pension and benefits are safe for now as well as for the future.

[sandnsea]

6. How scary for you

The whole pension debate is something about federal insurance on pensions. I don't know what it is exactly, but it sounded something like FDIC, so maybe your pension is insured?? :shrug: I hope so, not only for your sake, but also for the fact that this country would come unglued if Ford workers lost their pensions. Some people think a revolution would be good, but I think those things always sound better on paper. :scared:

[LarryWilson]

21. Please, read up on the subject.

The Feds have a Pension Guarantee quasi-governmental agency that is some $9 Billion in the hole, already.

Pension from Ford? Make me laugh.

The agency was just Bush's way of letting companies off the hook before declaring all pensions held by the agency void or greatly reduced.

If you're not rich enough to not need a pension, the BushCo could give a fuck about you.

[sandnsea]

22. reduced is better than nothing

Just trying to point the guy in a direction where maybe he and his co-workers can get involved and protect what little they have left.

[Hoping4Change]

24. Hi LW Welcome to DU. Glad your here.

:hi:

[yellowdogmi]

7. See if this helps

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=190599
I think this is the best post I've seen here.

[babylonsister]

8. And dimson's Saturday chat was all about how ducky the

economy is. I really wonder what dream world he's living in? :mad:

[MercutioATC]

9. I think you're fine for a while at least...

Ford's offering some pretty impressive buyouts (60k in tuition to leave and go to school, 100k for anybody with a year or more of service to leave and give up pension and medical etc). They're not just dumping workers, they're paying them quite a bit to leave.

[Hissyspit]

10. Remember how all through the 80s, weak industry was blamed on the lazy

American workers by the Republicans? I have never fogotten that. It turned out actually it was just changes in situation and bad, greedy management.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. The one thing you can count on with Bush in the WH...

That one thing is, that you can't count on anything!

[Earth_First]

12. Unfortunately and fortunately, this is where we begin turning around...

Once this begins hitting the 'middle America' * voters in the pocketbooks and pensions, it will not continue to escalate. Or at least this is what I keep telling myself.

Sorry for your plight. My father is facing the SAME situation right now.

[Ksec]

13. I have a theory on bush

Its the spoiled child theory. He always got everything he wanted. Mommy always protected him against anyone who made him answer to responsibility. He was rarely told NO.

Now hes carried this into adulthood.

[PassingFair]

14. I feel your pain, onecent, I live in Michigan.

The ripple effects will be unbearable.
The selfishness of many of our fellow Americans, and the inability to empathize with those less fortunate, is causing the downfall of the great experiment that was democracy.

"I've got mine" is my least favorite sentence, and sadly, I've heard it on the lips of my OWN CO-WORKERS more times that I care to remember.

[Digit]

26. The RW lacks the foresight to see how this will eventually affect them

ALL these pensioners, laid off workers, and people unable to afford basic necessities will see it is the administration's fault. They WILL vote them out of office.

The rest of them that voted for and backed this cabal will see the fruition of what they have brought about. Most certainly, it will affect some family members, friends, or associates.

[PassingFair]

27. It is sickening. But they will never blame it on the cabal.

They will blame it on the Clenis.
They already do.

Some that I know already have friends and families affected.
They still see it as the result of character flaws.
Until it affects THEM PERSONALLY, they will refuse to acknowledge
that their "Christian" leader has ripped them off.

Then they will see themselves as victims, not the ENABLERS that they were.

Makes me wanna puke.

I think I will......... :puke:


There, that's better.

[Karenina]

15. WHY is this shit happening?????????????????

Because Americans are dumbed down, too comfortable, complacent, easily led, sucking on the TV teat, sitting back like sheep baa-ing and ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN.

[gristy]

16. Pull yourself together!

Things probably aren't that bad.



note to reader: this post is a sorry excuse for a joke...

[Ksec]

17. But they are that bad...

Thats why this sucks.

[LarryWilson]

18. Things aren't that bad - you're right. They're worse.

In a couple of months, we may all look back and wistfully think on the good ole days of January, 2006.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/21/17380/5477

My Kos entry has a few words (ok, more than a few) plus a lot of links to sources to back my conclusions up; source like the DOE, Gasification.org, etc.

It is, in fact, WAY worse than you think it is. And this is not aluminum-foil hat stuff.

Oh, and the links at the bottom of the post about the internment camps that FEMA has set up are especially depressing.

Who says so? The AP, the Sydney Morning Herald, an ex-Joint Chiefs Staffer, a couple of other newspapers, that's all.

[gristy]

23. My meaning was that MY post was a sorry excuse for a joke...

Sorry :dunce:

[leftofthedial]

19. this brood of vermin has been getting away with theft, murder and treason

for generations

[Montauk6]

20. I'm reminded of the unbridled hatred the freepers felt for Clinton

(and still do).

Not that I'm trying to imply that Brother OneCent's emotions are at all frivolous. Indeed, he brings up a point that I wish to cruise the perimeter of.

All those people , back in the 90s, with their gut level, blood curdling loathing of the Clintons; how many of them truly suffered under the administration. How many lost their livelihoods and even their lives due to WH policy back then? Even though they'll swear up and down that all that comedy he played with that young girl brought down America; how much of that is REALLY true? Especially, versus the current gang who, if they knew what they were doing, may have thwarted the attack on the Towers or the devastation in NOLA or even the carnage in Iraq.

So, it seems to boil down to lives lost and destroyed vs. people getting skeeved.

I guess I'm reflecting on all this as I just read about how 10 years and $22 million later, independent counsel appears to be about to close the book on the Henry Cisneros Affair. What surprises me about this farce is not so much that there was an investigation nor that it drags out to this day but, rather, that someone would be ballsy enough to try to pass this off a legitimate news item!

[Clara T]

25. just the latest endeavors

The brazen reemergence of U.S. colonialist “passions” in its Bushian clothes was not a sudden blooming of attitudes, mentalities, philosophies, or inclination for imperialism. In fact, U.S. fondness to colonize and to exercise military control over rich or strategic lands was never dormant and continued unabated since the foundation of the United States. The American occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the ever-expanding network of military bases in the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Central and Southeast Asia, as well as in the Horn of Africa are just the latest endeavors of a United States controlled by fascist cliques, ideologues of imperialism, and colonialist adventurers from all origins.

[Wordie]

29. K&R...that's why we MUST stop confirmation of Alito, who would give *

MORE power! Alito believes in the "unitary executive" and "signing statements," which give the president the ability to change the intent of congress in writing laws!

Help the effort, see these threads:
"It ain't over by a longshot..." (IndyOp) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x203958

And "Momentum is building for a filibuster of Alito - time to act!" (emlev)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x204963

If you think it's bad now, just wait and see what will happen if Alito is on the Supreme Court...

[pitohui]

30. yes he has gotten away with it

this is a neighborhood near fort jackson, louisiana, that is in the usa, and it's only one neighborhood, in only one town, of the many towns and cities that now look like this:



the reality is that there is no united states, the other states don't give a shit about us, it is the war of all against all

no one has cared about detroit for 20 years, yeah, a few of us die-hard progressive, but it seems like there is no more "we the people," no one wants to save any industry, it is all reagan/bush propaganda crap all the time and auto employees must be evil because they dare to have a union to look out for their rights

it is distressing, we will have to watch f closely on monday and see if the bankruptcy threats are real or just an excuse to cut pension plans, either way, it could be a dark dark day for america

but it is just one of many

the "united" in "united" states should be removed, because the sheeple don't care and don't hold bushco accountable, somehow it is god's will that the usa be destroyed as a test of our will to hold tight to the reagan/bush voodoo fundy religious crap

[earth mom]

31. K & R! eom

[hfojvt]

32. this is no more Bush's fault than it is Clinton's

Bush is not the CEO of Ford. He is not solely responsible for legislation which allows companies to under-fund their pensions. Nor is he responsible for the fact that US automakes cannot compete worldwide. Nor is he responsible for the apparent fact that you did not save or build up equity in a home.

Here is my annual income from 2000-2004 - $16,153; $17,464; $10,617; $13,891; $19,794, and last year $23,155. I would be very surprised if your retirement income is not much more than that, and yet I, perhaps naively, expect to retire on my own savings. I bought a house in 2002 that is now paid for ($35,000 in equity, not enough to buy a new car if I cashed it out) and have made maximum contributions to my IRA every year (except 2002 when I only contributed $2600 instead of the $3000 allowable)

Sorry, but last time I checked there were over a million people in this country over the age of 20 who were working for minimum wage and there are some 43 million with no health insurance. I did not get insurance myself until July of 2004 at the age of 42.

Getting robbed of a pension sucks. It sucks big-time. But Ford workers, unlike millions of our country's working poor, had the financial means to prepare and mitigate such a disaster.