Saddam linked to 9/11... Agree or Disagree?

[mikelewis]

Do you agree or disagree that there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 terror attacks?
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1169

Zogby recently released a poll that asked this question.

Overall 46% of the people AGREE Saddam was linked to 9/11 and 50% believe he was not.

Republicans were more likely to believe in the connection, 65% of the time
and Democrats were less likely to believe it: 32%
Independents believed it only 39% of the time...

Just curious, folks....

How many of you still believe Saddam was connected to 9/11?


When the President was asked this question, Bush said he doesn't believe it...

You know, I've heard this theory about everything was just fine until we arrived, and kind of "we're going to stir up the hornet's nest" theory. It just doesn't hold water, as far as I'm concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

Q What did Iraq have to do with that?

THE PRESIDENT: What did Iraq have to do with what?

Q The attack on the World Trade Center?

THE PRESIDENT: Nothing,...
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/mikelewis/27

... so I was wondering how many DU'ers still believe Saddam and 9/11 were connected? If you are among the 32% of Democrats or 39% of Independents who believes this, could you please explain why?

[William769]

1. Ok who's going to be the first asshole to agree?

Because you know there will be at least one.

[mikelewis]

2. Now come on... that's not nice...

Ignorant people aren't always assholes (though that might make for a real good poll).

[Dr.Phool]

3. Those that think there was a connection

Are the same ones who voted for Katherine Harris in the primary!

Taking batshit crazy to a professional level.

[dipsydoodle]

4. If 46%agreed

it don't actually say too much for the general average level of intelligence in the USA.

[yourout]

5. The only connection was ....

9/11 started the Iraq war because the Neocons wanted it to. So in a nut shell 9/11 was connected to Iraq but Iraq was not connected to 9/11.

[CoffeeCat]

6. This is so frickin disturbing....

There was absolutely NO connection to Saddam and 9/11. Absolutely none.

The only connection between Saddam and 9/11 is in the propaganda that BushCo has pushed since
9/11.

Their propaganda works on lesser minds. It really does work. I guess.

I find this utterly frightening and disturbing. You and I can see objectively--and understand
truth. However, there are some very gullible people out there who distort reality. Furthermore, many social conservatives intentionally delude themselves and gobble up the BushCo lies--to reward
him for leveraging their pet beliefs---gays are evil and abortion should be banned.

These gullible people are the fuel by which BushCo runs its neocon crime syndicate.

These people are ignorant flibbertigibbets--and they'd better wake the hell up.

:crazy:

[mikelewis]

7. I was sort of hoping a few people who Agreed would tell me why...

I see that 3 people have voted that they agree Saddam was connected to 9/11, yet there are no posts as to why they believe this to be true.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

8. No, Saddam was not liked to 9/11

Any simpleton should know that by now.

Example A:

BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?

BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.

However, the reason that so many people still feel this way can be found here...


Specials>Buildup in the Gulf
from the March 14, 2003 edition

The impact of Bush linking 9/11 and Iraq
American attitudes about a connection have changed, firming up the case for war.
By Linda Feldmann | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
WASHINGTON – In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 eight times. He referred to Saddam Hussein many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11.

Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was "personally involved" in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.

Sources knowledgeable about US intelligence say there is no evidence that Hussein played a role in the Sept. 11 attacks, nor that he has been or is currently aiding Al Qaeda. Yet the White House appears to be encouraging this false impression, as it seeks to maintain American support for a possible war against Iraq and demonstrate seriousness of purpose to Hussein's regime.

"The administration has succeeded in creating a sense that there is some connection ," says Steven Kull, director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland.
more...
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html

Now, if someone can tell me how we deprogram the masses I'm all ears.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. There's a connection.

They're both Arabic & muslim, and that's a good enough connection for a third of the American people.

[2tr4nqued]

10. Difference between explicit and implicit belief

I think there is a difference between explicit belief and implicit belief. Someone may say that they think Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, and that may be what they believe intellectually, but I think people also have connections in their minds that they may not be able to report on directly but that come through in other decisions they make. So I think people who don't explicitly think that Iraq did 9/11 may implicitly think it did, and that's why they support the Iraq war. That's why I think it's important to pound the truth over and over and over: Iraq didn't do 9/11.

Lately President Bush is still trying to tell us that Iraq attacked us before we attacked them. This blatant lying absolutely cannot go unchallenged. But who's going to blow his lies away unless we do? That's why on Monday, September 11, I am going to stand on a busy street corner here in Chicago from 4:30 to 5:30 p.m. with this sign:

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I will stand on a five-gallon bucket to give me an extra foot and a half of height so that I am above everyone else walking past. Several thousand people will see my sign.

But I have difficulty standing in more than about one place at one time, so I need everyone's help. So everyone needs to make their own sign that says simply, "Iraq Didn't Do 9/11," and on September 11, stand on a busy street corner near where you live at a time when many people will be walking or driving past.

Do it to fuck with George W. Bush and his supporters. He thinks he can lie to us without us saying anything back. Well fuck him. Let's show that little lying shit that we push back.



Oh, and repost this bulletin so that every street corner in America rings through with the truth as a challenge to Bush's lies.

[windbreeze]

11. NO, no, no, no....a thousand times NO!! n/t

[Avalux]

12. Mystifying.

Saddam was not friendly with Osama, and wasn't much interested in the Al Qaeda movement. There's absolutely ZERO evidence to prove Saddam was involved with 9/11. Of course I do understand that a lot of the population don't care much about evidence.

[Nutmegger]

13. This has been debunked over and over

But people continue to eat it up as fact. Ignorance is killing this nation.

[KansDem]

14. Kyyyyyrist! This is like the strategic planning process where I work!

The suits get all of us together and ask us for input into what we think we should be doing. We oblige them with our suggestions. The suits take our suggestions and scurry off to their offices to sketch out our long term plan. Then they come back to us with a plan we don't recognize. We tell them we aren't satisfied with the results and staff moral erodes. "But," they say, "we acted on you suggestions!" The suits wait awhile and then come back to us and...(go back to beginning of rant and repeat).

I think it's obvious by now that Saddam had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. And those 46% should f*cking get a clue! Polling over and over...asking over and over...isn't going to make it true!

[mikelewis]

17. But don't you find it fascinating that so many people still believe...

this ridiculous lie? Hell, even some here at DU do.

[2tr4nqued]

15. If you think it...

then go out in the real world and say it. You say it a trillion times on the Internet, but if only 100 people see it, you've only spoken to 100 people. If you have something really important to say, eventually you should want to say it to more than 100 people who already agree with you.

[mikelewis]

16. I'm afraid you've missed my point...

I found it rather odd that 46% of the people believe Saddam was linked to 9/11. What was really striking though was the 32% of Democrats who believes this fallacy. Driven by that surprise, I decided to post a poll here on DU to find out if there were any on this message board who also believed this nonsense. As you can see from the poll results so far, there are a few who do and at least one, currently, who is not sure. If you are a regular reader of DU, you'll find that this position is not really mainstream for this board and yet there are still some who believe it nonetheless.

In posting this poll, I was not trying to give out information; I was not evangelizing nor trying to inform anyone other than myself. I had incorrectly assumed that every Democrat on the planet knew that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. I can understand why Republicans believe this misconception it but it seemed shocking to see that 1/3 of Democrats believed it as well. I made an assumption of common knowledge and wanted to find out if my Democratic stronghold was affected by this blight as well.

However, I do frequently speak to people about these issues but trying to find thousands of Democrats in one place seems rather difficult without message boards like this one. Here, I can speak to hundreds of people and tell them important things and sometimes, if it's important enough, that information can spread farther than my two legs can carry me. Just because I post here, does not in any way mean this is all I do or these are the only folks I talk to about political issues. You are making an incorrect assumption.