Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Still Just Kidding?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Pamela Troy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 02:45 PM
Original message
Still Just Kidding?
Edited on Wed Sep-06-06 02:46 PM by Pamela Troy
“Bin Laden says that al Qaeda intends to (launch) in his words, 'a media campaign… to create a wedge between the American people and their government.' This media campaign, bin Laden says, will send the American people a number of messages, including 'that their government bring them more losses, in finances and casualties.' And he goes on to say that 'they are being sacrificed… to serve… the big investors, especially the Jews.' Bin Laden says that by delivering these messages, al Qaeda "aims at creating pressure from the American people on the American government to stop their campaign against Afghanistan."
President George W. Bush, Capital Hilton Hotel 9/5/06


“…ultimately it will be to the President’s deep personal regret—that he has followed his Secretary of Defense down the path of trying to tie those loyal Americans who disagree with his policies—or even question their effectiveness or execution—to the Nazis of the past, and the al Qaeda of the present….”

…” And it becomes necessary to reach back into our history, for yet another quote, from yet another time and to ask it of Mr. Bush:
'Have you no sense of decency, sir?'" Keith Olbermann 9/5/06

Olbermann’s response to the President’s recent speech is courageous, articulate, and plainly deeply felt. But it begins with what I fear is an unwarranted note of optimism. The passage, with its reference to Bush eventually feeling “regret” expresses an assumption that the mainstream – even the superior mainstream media as exemplified by Keith Olbermann – has clung to for the past six years whenever some blatantly un-democratic attack on dissent is uttered by someone in the administration. It can be summed up in one simple sentence.

“THEY’LL BE SORRY!”

Believe me, I love the image of George W. Bush on TV, looking down at a bunch of papers and shuffling them nervously while someone says, with weary contempt, “Have you no decency, sir?” But this enduring article of faith that “they’ll be sorry” rests precariously on another article of faith -- that the administration doesn’t really mean all this stuff about equating dissent with disloyalty.

When, in the past six years of one scandal and disaster after another, has this administration shown any sign of regret? When, in the past six years, has this administration ever truly been called to account for the mayhem it has helped to create? When have they backtracked or apologized in any meaningful manner? Has anyone noticed any sign that the rhetoric from the mainstream right has been toned down because saying things like “you’re either with us or against us” or “Iraqi war critics are just like the Nazi appeasers of the past” have turned out to be “mistakes?”

And if it looks like they are going to lose their grip on the government in this upcoming election, or the next one in 2008, why should anyone imagine that the administration will backtrack, or shrink from, not just repeating, but acting on the meme they’ve steadily promoted for the past six years – that opponents to the administration are wittingly or unwittingly in league with terrorists?

Back in 2002, I posted to Democratic Underground a piece entitled “Just Kidding.” It cited various outrageous statements by Ann Coulter and David Horowitz, and made the following observation:

“Modern right-wing rhetoric becomes much less irrational if it's seen as the last gasp of the right's pretense of commitment to political freedom. Rather than self-destructing or imploding, it's quite possible that many conservatives are on the verge of moving from the covert to the overt rejection of this ideal.”

In the four years since, I’ve seen absolutely nothing that would alter this assessment.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. You're right. They aren't kidding and Bush will NEVER be sorry.
It's almost as if the Democrats and other fair-minded people are playing a genteel game of badminton against an opposing team (the Repukes and their NeoCon allies) who are playing a vicious game of rugby and don't care what it takes to win. We can't defeat these people by appealing to their decency; they haven't any. We can't play fair and say, "tut-tut," when they cheat repeatedly, blatantly, and openly, and expect to accomplish anything. I honestly can't understand why some Democrat doesn't come out swinging against these monsters. Can you imagine Harry S Truman or Lyndon B. Johnson greeting all these recent Repuke lies, thefts, and distortions with a weak smile and a "go along to get along" attitude?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. These people were raised to behave this way.
I would rather post the original article. But all I have is my photoshopped attempt to show Bush's disregard for the value of Liberty.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 04:00 PM
Response to Original message
2. I agree, Pamela
I fear we are actually not too far away from overt action, overt declaration, that dissenters will no longer have any rights, any freedoms, any protections, and beyond simply being marginalized, will be "dealt" with in some heinous way that fits the neocon view of how the world should be run. I am, in a word, pessimistic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Bingo.
These people are not benign in their intentions. Many of the people in the Bush administration, if this were a functioning system, would already be in jail. We must listen to them when they say they want a "permanent majority" in Congress. In a nation where 40% of the wealth is controlled by 1%, 71% is controlled by 10%, and the bottom 40% control 1%, there cannot exist real democracy.

I am by no means a socialist, but at some point this must viewed as an attack upon democracy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
3. It was an Army lawyer named Welch
who asked McCarthy, "Have you no sense of decency, sir?"

Now that more and more military types are questioning DUHbya, maybe even the pathologically loyal right wingers will start to think critically about this war.

You can't spell Dubya without the "DUH."

News and commentary, left to right
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 08:14 PM
Response to Original message
5. You're right - they would feel no remorse about anything - ever
I think Keith Olbermann knows that. He's just being tactful, giving them credit for a human capability that he realizes they don't have, as a way of showing some obligatory respect that he doesn't really feel. It's a minimum gesture that he probably needs to provide in order to keep his job.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:44 PM
Response to Original message
7. Minor correction to the transcript -- Keith said...
"it will be to the President's deep public regret," not "personal" regret.
A significant difference, since I, and many others here, question whether Bush is even capable of feeling "deep personal regret." The only reason he would feel regret is if he is somehow held personally accountable for his actions -- which would be a new experience for him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wretched Refuse Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. HAve you no decency
If everyone, every day, would call the Whitehouse and just repeat that line, that would be interesting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 05:25 AM
Response to Original message
9. Definition of oxymoron
decent republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 26th 2024, 10:15 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC