The cultification of christianity

[LiberalPartisan]

Perhaps this is nothing new but evangelical christianity is looking more and more cultish every day. I was watching the movie Saved! earlier today and while it's a satire it is incredibly accurate in its portrayal of those caught in the grip of and brainwashed by the evangelicals.

[jonnyblitz]

1. i just watched that movie a few days ago...

I loved the eeevilll jewish girl! :P

I completely agree with you that it was pretty realistic though it was satire.

[FreedomAngel82]

2. And the point of this is?

More Christian bashing? Get off it.

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[Maddy McCall]

6. Hey Jonny!

LTNS! :hi:

[jonnyblitz]

14. ...

:hug: :hi:

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[FreedomAngel82]

12. I've seen the previews before

and do really like Mandy Moore and know what it's about.

[jonnyblitz]

13. you need to calm down, that's all. nt

[FreedomAngel82]

21. And you need to stop bashing

Gee, nice fit here at DU. I'm too liberal for Christian's and too Christian for liberals. And here I thought progressives were supposed to, oh I don't know, progress and be open-minded and not care about someone's personal life but obviously it's not true with a lot here. Just like the other thread with Christian music. You'd find any way to make fun of someone else's faith even when there are lots of us here on this board. Even the DNC chairman is a Christian. So are you going to bash him next?

[Maddy McCall]

30. You find nothing about modern, institutionalized, evangelical Christianity

worthy of criticism?

If not, that goes to the OP's original post...that it is CULTISH.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. That's not what I said

As I often quote: "your rights end where my nose begins." Why do you care what someone else does with their religious beliefs privatley? You do know the first amendment right? If you think their cultish that's your own opinion. You don't have to be around the people. You can talk about it all you want but it's still sterotyping and you think all of us are the same. I find it very rude as a person of faith.

[Maddy McCall]

55. I couldn't care less about your beliefs. But I reserve my rights to...

criticize whatever institution I find worthy or criticism.

Go worship whatever you want. If I want to criticize it on DU, or in public, or in your face, I will. I have that right.

[FreedomAngel82]

60. And I can reply back

[Maddy McCall]

65. I haven't tried to shut you up, but you surely have tried to shut up those

with opposing views with your tantrum that you're being picked on again.

The eternal victim.

[FreedomAngel82]

69. And you need to stop sterotyping people

[Maddy McCall]

76. If you can calm yourself to re-read my posts, you will see that...

I have only bashed a subset of Christians.

[papau]

66. Nope - you do not have that right on DU - disrupters are tossed - but you

Do have that right "in my face". Should be an interesting meeting.

[jonnyblitz]

36. where have i bashed? all i did was say I enjoyed a satirical

movie about right wing fundies. :shrug:

you must be young.

[FreedomAngel82]

54. That's none of your business of my age

You're sterotyping and bashing me in other threads in this post.

[jonnyblitz]

77. i am bashing you in other threads in this post?

huh? :shrug:

ok i am down with you. you arent even coherent.

[jonnyblitz]

78. i am bashing you in other threads in this post?

huh? :shrug:

ok i am done with you. you arent even coherent.

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[SPKrazy]

63. I think that it's Saturday night

and those who want to Christian bash because they have nothing else to do are out is all.

I don't think that the majority of those on DU are Christian bashers

in fact, probably the majority are at least believers in some kind of higher power.

I could be wrong.

[opiate69]

15. But you haven't actually seen the movie?

And yet somehow feel you're knowledgeable enough about it to comment like that? Kinda sounds ike the morons in Utah who supported the removal of Brokeback Mountain to me..

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

16. Ka-Ching!

[fishwax]

17. in her defense

and in the service of accuracy, I think she was commenting on the OP, and not the movie.

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[opiate69]

23. however....

The perceived "bashing" is directly related to the film in the OP..

"Perhaps this is nothing new but evangelical christianity is looking more and more cultish every day. I was watching the movie Saved! earlier today and while it's a satire it is incredibly accurate in its portrayal of those caught in the grip of and brainwashed by the evangelicals."

At least, that's how I read it.:shrug:

[fishwax]

46. Responding to the OP requires no special knowledge of the film

and she didn't claim any in her post.

Don't get me wrong, I saw the other thread about copyrights and I certainly didn't mean you were out of line or anything, I was just putting it out there for the sake of clarity :)

:hi:

[opiate69]

64. Actually..

the film dealt with a very specific type of christian.. if she hadn't actually seen the film, she would presumably have no idea whether or not she was one of those particular christians, no? In any case, it's all good.. it's my birthday, so maybe I'm feeling a little over-excitable. LOL

:toast:

[FreedomAngel82]

24. I'm not a male!

[fishwax]

52. I've now edited it

Sorry about that.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. All I asked was the point of this thread

I know what the movie is about and how it's satire and sterotyping of a particular group of people who when power hungry can get annoying.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

22. It's not satire, it's a glowing coming of age movie that tells the

truth. If the stereotype fits...

[opiate69]

26. No.. you asked the point of the thread,

and then made an accusation..

[FreedomAngel82]

27. And I stand by it

[northofdenali]

31. Agreed, jonny and

THESE CULTISTS ARE NOT Christians, certainly not "in the image of Christ" as I've known it.

[jonnyblitz]

42. it's a great movie if you haven't seen it.

:hi:

[northofdenali]

53. I'll try and find it at the vid store tomorrow.

If it's more than 38 below! (A little cool out this last couple of days...)

Come to think of it, a good movie gives me an excuse to stay in, drink Irish Creme lattes, and munch on pecan poppycock.........

:hi: Thanks for the recommend!!

[jonnyblitz]

72. it's been out for awhile on DVD .

hopefully where you go will have it...

[Maddy McCall]

59. Is blockbuster carrying it in their brick and mortar stores?

I'll look tomorrow for it, too.

[jonnyblitz]

67. yup they do. of course I got it "other ways"

shhhhh..;)

http://blockbuster.com/catalog/DisplayMovieSpecialOffers.action?channel=Movies&subChannel=sub&movieID=131725&displayBoxArt=true

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

9. Many believe that the lemmings portrayed in this film are

really ignorant dipshits and should be considered mentally deficient at best.

[leftofthedial]

11. Christian bashing?

Is that like a car bash? Give 10 bucks and you get 10 whacks with a sledge hammer at a Christian?

I'm confused?

[papau]

19. The atheist crowd feels empty if they do not bash Christians in GD as

well as in R&T - or even in "Science" - on DU.

It seems they must (perhaps due to low self esteem?)FU Christians on DU each day in order to get up the next morning.

[Maddy McCall]

25. I'm no atheist. I admire Christ-centric christianity. I bash evangelical

christianity. I almost was a victim of it.

It ain't just atheists bashing institutionalized, evangelical christianity.

[FreedomAngel82]

29. So you feel the need to beat up on someone else?

How progressive of you.

[Maddy McCall]

No, but I feel the need to expose the trap that is modern...

institutionalized Christianity?

Do you always blindly follow? How "liberal" of you.

[papau]

39. You joined the Democratic Party to expose the trap of modern Christianity?

Does that make you a disrupter on this board?

[Maddy McCall]

45. Oh, please.

No, but I use my varied and rich experiences in daily conversations with people on this board--including my experiences in the Southern Baptist Church, which is the most hypocrisy-ridden institution on the face of the earth, if you ask me.

How on earth can you misconstrue that as me being a disruptor?

[FreedomAngel82]

56. Look at this whole thread and your attacks on me

[Maddy McCall]

62. Oh, I get it. You're one of those christians who will stand up in...

sunday school tomorrow morning, telling your class how you stood up to the disbeleivers on the internet, for which you will receive much praise and comforting.

That's the only reason I can find for your continued posting in this thread, because you've offered nothing of substance to reinforce your views. Just, "WAAAA, you're picking on us Christans again!!"

[FreedomAngel82]

75. *snort*

You don't know me. I've been more "persecuted" for being liberal then I have for being a Christian because of how I do stand up for such things like gay marriage. *gasps!* I'm doing so because you're doing nothing more then continuing from the other thread and being rude and sterotypical. You're the one being a baby.

[FreedomAngel82]

50. For anybody who knows me in person

knows I'm a very independent person and don't follow anyone. I've always been on my own and like it that way. But you're the one who's beating up on people and you're making fun of people. How "liberal" of you.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

51. Many find the ignorance of believing in 3000 year old rewritten mythology

offensive.

Some have evolved from such times.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. So who gives a damn

If you don't like it too bad. You shouldn't go around and bash people for their religious beliefs. I can have them if I want to. It's my first amendment right and if you don't like it tough shit.

[Hoping4Change]

71. You should be happy to have the opportunity of turning the other cheek.

However that is not your reaction. Often people use religion as a weapon as an outlet for unresolved hostilty. This is something you might want to reflect on because your initial response to the OP shows clearly that you took offense when none was intended. People with lots of hostility do that all the time.:eyes:

[Perky]

34. How does one come into a Christ -centered Faith

Withou coming across an evangelical?

Evangelism is sort of the entire basis of Christ's Ministry on earth.

Get it? Jesus was an Evangelical! The best that ever was.

[Maddy McCall]

38. Modern Christianity is institution-centric

More time and money is spent on reinforcing the institution than in following Christ's lead. Churches are more like country clubs than, well, like churches.

Edit to add: Evangelical Christians practice exclusivity. Either you become their ideal of perfection, or you do not fit through the needle's eye. And I am speaking of fundamentalist evangelicals, which is mostly what populates the American south, as far as Christians go.

[Perky]

74. Thank you for the clarifications

Fundamentalist and evenageical are not the same thing.

Liberal predominantly African-American churches in the north are about as evangelical as they come and I doubt you would call them fundamentalist.

[opiate69]

40. So.. what;s it gonna be, papau?

when someone broadbrushes "christians" on this board, you (and the others) tell us allin no uncertain terms that you are not part of the far-right, evangelical set and we should make the distinction.. well, the OP did make the distinction, and it's still not good enough for you?

Perhaps this is nothing new but evangelical christianity is looking more and more cultish every day. I was watching the movie Saved! earlier today and while it's a satire it is incredibly accurate in its portrayal of those caught in the grip of and brainwashed by the evangelicals.

[Maddy McCall]

48. Exactly.

[Hissyspit]

3. Christolatry, not Christianity n/t

[salvorhardin]

8. Would Christolatry involve

covering large objects in plastic or somehow managing to get paid to tell city workers to put up hundreds of orange pieces of vinyl in Central Park?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo

[drfresh]

5. I never fully understood those evangelicals

I'm a Christian myself (UMC), and I gotta say, a lot of evangelicals seem strange and scare me. Obviously they are extremely passionate...

[Cleita]

10. "The Handmaid's Tale" by Margaret Atwood? n/t

[Perky]

28. That's about a simplistic and assinine view I have

ever heard on DU. If you ever got to know us...you would see that your stereotyping is extremely shallow and juvenile.

But to suggest that we are caught in the grip of brainwashing evangelical because we hapeen to believe in a higher power is childish and ignorant.

[opiate69]

32. Oy...

"Perhaps this is nothing new but evangelical christianity is looking more and more cultish every day. I was watching the movie Saved! earlier today and while it's a satire it is incredibly accurate in its portrayal of those caught in the grip of and brainwashed by the evangelicals."

do you consider yourself to be an Evangelical, or are you more of a "garden Variety' Christian?

[Perky]

61. What would you call a Garden Variety Christian

Please do not confuse Evangelicals with the Fundies. Their motivations are very different.


I am a progressive. I am an evangelical...I believe in the claims of Christ. I don't wear my faith on my sleeve, I am not a literalist. I do not believe in Dominion-ism.

I bicker with fundies in my church all th time...I stay because I believe that is what I am supposed to do.


To call all Evangelicals brainwashed, is both naive and grossly unfair.

Its comments and attitudes like that. precisely that that keep Democrats from being the majority party in this country.

I have yet to see any one on this site ever bash atheists for their views on God. But we're supposed to tolerate this crap every night and if we dare to raise an objection we are accused of pulling the persecution card.


Look I am not defending fundies or their politics...not in the least...but folks come after well-meaning people of faith solely for their belief in God betrays the very tolerance Democrats ought to be know for.

It is shameful.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

33. Many would believe that superstitions are "childish and ignorant." n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

35. And many would believe you're childish and ignorant

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

68. PeeWee Herman: I know you are, but what am I?

Boody hell.

[papau]

43. More wisdom from "Joad"? &I thought your other thread could not be topped

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x206571

Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Sat Jan-21-06 11:19 PM
Original message
Should "christian" music be free to all who want it?
I think so!

Who would try to profit off of spreading the word?

[Hello_Kitty]

37. I liked the movie. It was sharp and funny.

It didn't bash spirituality at all, just mocked sanctimonious control freaks. Mandy Moore's character was hysterical in it. She really should have won an award. She NAILED that Tammy Faye Junior character. The whole cast was good. And the scene at the beginning where the main character nearly drowns and thinks the landscaper is Jesus is priceless! "Saved" and "But I'm a Cheerleader" are movies I recommend to people frequently.

[seabeyond]

41. hey i am in wonderland here in texas. fundie is so foriegn to me

and it is becoming more and more so. people,.... wow i just cannot believe what they are saying in the name of christian. saying those in katrina was gods wrath for their decadence. i was so outraged. those innocents, those children, dying because god is mad at them. my niece says, but we prayed for them. made me even more mad. bully for you all. first you condemn them and then oh so good christians pray for them. let me step away.......

i mean i am listening saying they blame god for man failure with katrina. we, man failed those people. and the good christians are blaming god.

i just do not want to stand near any of these morons, when god strikes, wink. i say in jest and humor

[SPKrazy]

47. I think to be fair, it is satirical

and funny

but please don't equate evangelicals necessarily with fundamentalists

they aren't the same

not all evangelicals are right wingers either

[jonnyblitz]

49. wow. I can't believe what this thread has evolved into,

it started out as a discussion of a satirical movie about RW fundamentalism and DU xians are freaking out about persecution. HOLY FUCK. UNBELIEVABLE. :crazy:

[Perky]

70. Go back and read the OP!!!!!

It said that the moview was a great depiction of how brianwashed evangelicals are.

The OP said that Evangelicals are brainwashed...That is not about the movie. It his view on evangelicals.

[seabeyond]

73. i thought it a new thread. so the christians on this board feel persecuted

i am a christian. i am totally comfortable in my christianity and i feel no need to defend my faith, i certainly dont need to defend christ or god for so many reasons. but for fellow christians to not be bothered with what is happening with our religions is simply amazing to me. like my good repug father, at all cost defending repugs even though everything they are doing is opposed to the basis of who he is. why i ask him. dont be afraid to call the repugs in office. well, we christians should not fear calling the christians that are doing so much damage to this nation. it is my job, obligation to call them on the so not christ like behavior. and all in the name of the lord. i am afraid of them

[LeftCoast]

79. Locking

Is it just me or is it getting a little warm in here?