I was skeptical about the link between Path to 9/11 and an Evangelical

[izzybeans]

Cult until I googled UHP Productions and Untitled History Project seperately.

I eventually found this.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2005/07/27/1148853.html

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Produced by Marc Platt (Legally Blonde, the musical Wicked), the miniseries has been talked about in the industry since the spring (Fox News denounced it as "the miniseries no one wanted to see.") But it's being filmed relatively quietly. No production announcement has been made, and it's being shot around town under the nondescript working-title "Untitled History Project."

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either there is a link between the two or the info. in this link is a lie...or coincidence?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2073411&mesg_id=2073411

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2071734

[babylonsister]

1. Evangelical Film Institute Behind "Road to 9/11"

Retrieved from this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2073411


Evangelical Film Institute Behind "Road to 9/11"

http://www.markandkrista.com/4559.html

So that's what we've decided to do. Starting in July, along with our 'normal' discipleship efforts in YWAM, we will officially join The Film Institute - a new auxiliary branch of Youth With A Mission focused on tranforming film and television from the inside out. TFI's first project is a doozy: simply being referred to as: The Untitled History Project, it is already being called the television event of the decade and not one second has been put to film yet. Talk about great expectations!

Our goal is to help filmmakers, actors, technicians, etc. realize their God given potential and purpose in perhaps the most influential sphere of modern culture - film and television.

http://www.markandkrista.com/30257.html

Our next big project is to assist in the development of the new YWAM auxiliary - The Film Institute (TFI). The Film Institute is dedicated to a Godly transformation and
revolution TO and THROUGH the Film and Television industry;

TO it, by serving, living humbly with integrity in what is often a world driven by selfish ambition, power an money - transforming lives from within,

and THROUGH it, by creating relevant and evocative content which promotes Godly principles of Truth married with Love.

[izzybeans]

2. Just added the link

There wasn't anything in this thread other than inuendo and I was skeptical until I found the first link above.

[n2doc]

5. "Serving with integrity" HAH!

They blew that one on day one! Somehow making sh*t up and integrity don't seem to be able to co-exist.

[mhatrw]

6. These links have now been scrubbed. Thank God for google cache!

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:yGNh7UpKSMMJ:www.markandkrista.com/index2.html

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:F_obhKIYfPsJ:www.markandkrista.com/30257.html

Please recommend the original thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2073411

If we made them scrub their site, chances are we're really on to something!

[warrens]

9. What did they scrub?

This is getting mo betta and mo betta every minute...

[mhatrw]

12. EarlG explains the situation in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2080965

[Warpy]

3. We DU atheists have remarked sourly among ourselves

that religious people used to telling lies about unreality will find it all too easy to start telling lies about reality.

I guess we were right.

This turkey is five hours long and is chock full of characters that political junkies might know (only then they'd know the truth), but will completely befuddle the average viewer. The length makes it unsuitiable for distribution to fundy churches. They had to figure out how to get it on the air.

The best case scenario, I'm afraid, is to knock it off ABC and put it onto CBN, where it might find an even bigger audience among the faithful.

Most people will find it a snore and turn it off. Freepers will hang on every word. Fundies only watch all-Jesus-all-the-time stations instead of the godless networks and will miss it.

The usually somnolent party leadership is already talking lawsuit and injunction for the glaring propaganda aspect of that film. That's the best thing they can do at this point. Somebody has to sue these liars or they'll just keep cranking out lies.

Are you listening, John Kerry?

[izzybeans]

4. They can play it and the Left Behind movies in succession.

[blm]

7. How many books came out blaming Clinton for 9-11 between 2001 and 2004?

And how many were sued by Clinton? How many of the charges in the books were even ANSWERED by Clinton?

Clinton waited FIVE YEARS to counter the attacks and he's doing it because some of US have been hounding him to do it for the last TWO WEEKS and blaming him for every Dem candidate in 2002, 2004, and 2006 who have been stuck running against a FIVE YEAR OLD MEME that Democrats are weak on terror.

[Warpy]

8. Well, to be perfectly fair, he was a bit preoccupied by two

major surgeries in 2004 and early 2005. Neither one is a walk in the park and both require prolonged recovery periods of at least six months.

You're right, though. Every single one of these "leaders" has rolled over and played dead when slandered and libeled. Winning a suit is not the point. Making the effort and calling the public's attention to the outright lies from the right is the point.

[blm]

11. Yes - but the books started popping up in 2001, 2002, and 2003.

He had enough time and energy to support Bush's policies throughout that time.

I have this posted in another thread:

Here's a list of some titles I found.

DERELICTION OF DUTY, by Robert “Buzz” Patterson. (Regnery Publishing, 2003) A top Clinton military aide’s “eyewitness” account of how Bill Clinton compromised America’s national security.


BETRAYAL, by Bill Gertz. (Regnery Publishing, 1999) The Washington Times defense reporter explains “how the Clinton administration undermined American security.”


BREAKDOWN, by Bill Gertz. (Regnery Publishing, 2002) A reporter for the Washington Times describes how “America’s intelligence failures led to 9/11.”


USEFUL IDIOTS, by Mona Charen. (Regnery Publishing, 2003) The columnist and television commentator goes on the attack against liberals who “got it wrong in the cold war and still blame America first.”

THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT GUIDE TO AMERICAN HISTORY, by Thomas Woods. (Regnery Publishing, 2004) A conservative interpretation.


SHADOW WAR, by Richard Miniter. (Regnery Publishing, 2004) The author argues that President Bush is winning the war on terror.

LOSING BIN LADEN, by Richard Miniter. (Regnery Publishing, 2003) How—on multiple occasions—Bill Clinton allowed bin Laden to slip through his fingers.



FIGHTING BACK, by Bill Sammon. (Regnery Publishing, 2002) A reporter for The Washington Times recounts the White House’s actions in response to 9/11.

[Warpy]

13. Agreed, but consider context before 2005

Stupid had a 90% approval rating that only started to freefall shortly before the 2004 election (making it close). Criticising him in 2001, 2002, or 2003, no matter how justified, would have been completely counterproductive. Sheeple would have been outraged, they'd all rallied 'round the flag and the idiot wrapped in it and were truly convinced their daddy in Washington was gonna save 'em.

Fast forward to now. Stupid has lost the war in Afghanistan, let bin Laden go, bungled finding the people responsible for 9/11, alienated most of our allies (not forgetting Poland here), embroiled us in an unnecessary and unwinnable war, and lost a major US city to cronyism, greed, and bungling.

The time is right. More Democrats need to start speaking out against these lies. Kerry should have started the process by suing the Smear Boat guys.

That he's finally speaking out is a good thing. If he follows up with legal action, it will be a better thing. Somebdy needs to stand up to these bullies or they'll keep on going.

[blm]

14. Clinton was KNOWN and commanded cameras - Kerry was essentially unknown

and AFTER 9-11 the media tuned out most Democratic voices - - except Clinton's.

How you can claim that Kerry should have started the ball rolling against the swifts when Clinton gave ALL these authors and journalists a pass for the four years prior seems odd. Why did Kerry or any Dem candidate in 2002,4,6 have to fight the memes that were started against ALL Democrats thanks to Clinton's inattention to the lies that were being spread?

[Warpy]

15. Uh, they tuned his voice out, too

They'd mention that he'd rented an office in Harlem, that he and Hillary bought a mansion in upstate NY, that their dog got hit by a car and killed, but HE was missing from all this.

Face it, it was rally round the flag, boys, and the GOP idiot hiding inside it.

[blm]

17. They gave him camera time when he was supporting Bush's policies.

He also had a press tour for his book. A major press conference during that time would have been a useful event for the history books, the Dem party AND his book sales.

[starroute]

20. Books are different

An argument in a book is just an argument, which people may either believe or discount based on the assumptions they bring to it. Also, the people who read books on terrorism are likely to already know something about the subject and not be blank slates

In contrast, a professional-grade tv dramatization that bills itself as based on the 9/11 Commission report is going to reach an awful lot of people who know next to nothing about the subject and be absorbed by them as if it was literal history. (Some description of the film I saw was complaining about shaky cameras, suggesting they tried to make it look like on-the-spot news coverage.)

I don't know that the libel laws draw a distinction here, but as far as the ability to rewrite history goes, there's all the difference in the world.

[Nikki Stone 1]

10. Thanks to all the DUers who did the research on this one

I never fail to be impressed by some of the hard working people on DU

[stanwyck]

16. Second that, Nikki

so many wonderful people here.

[F.Gordon]

18. The first question that popped into my head

Was how much tax payer money helped fund this propaganda piece? Digging through the diluted information that the whitehouse gives out on Faith Based Initiative Grants does show that Youth With A Mission gets tax payer money but much of the cash is funneled through Jebus Brokers... "black funding".. so it's really hard to get a handle on how much, how little....
:shrug:

But, this was my first thought. I know.. it's a bit Tin Foil.

[dogday]

19. Actually not so far-fetched at all

It makes more sense than them actually giving to a worthy cause.. Their only cause is themselves...