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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:48 AM
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Does anybody know what it's called when someone repeatedly..
changes the facts to suit their purpose? Besides being republican I mean. Thax in advance.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:50 AM
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1. Ya can't change facts. It's called LYING.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:02 PM
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15. Oops. We forgot "Willfull Ignorance"
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:50 AM
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2. Do you mean choosing the facts that suit them most at any given time?
Cherrypicking, in that case.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:50 AM
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3. cognitive dissonance
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:52 AM
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4. Delusional
will do.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:53 AM
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5. Manipulative megalomaniac
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:53 AM
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6. propaganda
3. ideas, doctrines or allegations so spread: now often used disparingly to connote deception or distortion. - Websters New World Dictionary
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:56 AM
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7. bad faith?
disingenuousness, prevarication, equivocation, misrepresentation? there's a whole slew of 'em. SG
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:56 AM
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It's called being a political true believer
You can read all about it in Eric Hoffer's classic book called The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060505915/qid=1137948906/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-8664676-9638530?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

Peace.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:56 AM
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8. Psychosis.
Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for mental states in which the components of rational thought and perception are severely impaired. Persons experiencing a psychosis may experience hallucinations, hold delusional beliefs (e.g., paranoid delusions), demonstrate personality changes and exhibit disorganized thinking (see thought disorder). This is often accompanied by lack of insight into the unusual or bizarre nature of such behavior, difficulties with social interaction and impairments in carrying out the activities of daily living. A psychotic episode is often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:57 AM
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9. OBFUSCATION: lying like a mo fo
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:57 AM
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10. Prevaricator
fabulist, storyteller, falsifier, cheat, con artist, con man, deceiver, deluder, dissimulator, equivocator, fabler, fabricator, false witness, falsifier, fibber, jive turkey, maligner, misleader, perjurer, phony, promoter, trickster
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:58 AM
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11. Thanx all what I referring to is a "friend" takes incidents from the news
and no matter who was involved "if it was a not so good thing" it was Clinton who did it.Just wanted to know a clever way to respond the next time, using a term he wouldn't understand just for my own satisfaction and kicks.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:04 PM
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17. People still use that argument, huh?
Your "friend" needs to grow up.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:04 PM
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18. Unsubstantiated Clintonification? (n/t)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:58 AM
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12. Confabulation
con·fab·u·la·tion noun
a filling in of gaps in memory by unconstrained fabrication (as in Korsakoff's psychosis)

Confabulation
n 2: (psychiatry) a plausible but imagined memory that fills in gaps in what is remembered

con·fab·u·la·tion
n. The unconscious filling of gaps in one's memory by fabrications that one accepts as facts.



It should be noted that it's arguable whether confabulation is 'unconcious.'

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:07 PM
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24. "Clinfabulation."
:)






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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 11:59 AM
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13. Revisionist



Or, perhaps Compassionate Conservative.


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Lusted4 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:55 PM
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35. Revisionist is it ( revise - to make a new version of. ) n/t
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:00 PM
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14. Chimpification.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:02 PM
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16. LOL ..best one yet!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:06 PM
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22. LMAO! Damn good one!!!!
Gets my vote
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:21 PM
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28. "CHIMPIFICATION"...i looked it up
Pronunciation: 'chimp-i-fi-kay-shun'
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -cat·ed; -cat·ing
Etymology: Late Latin chimpuscatus, past participle of chimp pan, from Latin ob- in the way + fuscus dark brown -- more at OB-, DUSK
1 a : DARKEN b : to make obscure
2 : CONFUSE
- chimpification noun
- chimp·ca·to·ry adjective
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:05 PM
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19. its call main stream media.
they do it all the time.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:06 PM
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20. Obstinate, willfull, anal retentive, preadolesent ...
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:06 PM
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21. It's called avoidance
and prpoably a need for medication!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:06 PM
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23. schizophrenic?
flipflopper?
devious?
con artist?

Entry Word: artful
Function: adjective
Text: 1 clever at attaining one's ends by indirect and often deceptive means <the lawyer, by her artful questioning, got the witness to admit he had been lying>
Synonyms beguiling, cagey (also cagy), crafty, cunning, devious, foxy, guileful, slick, sly, subtle, wily
Related Words astute, cute, facile, glib, sharp, shrewd; crooked, deceitful, deceptive, dishonest, insidious, insinuating, Machiavellian, shady, shifty, slippery, sneaky, treacherous, tricky, underhand, underhanded, unscrupulous; backhanded, double-dealing, hypocritical, insincere, mealymouthed, smooth-tongued, two-faced; circuitous, circular, roundabout; clandestine, concealed, covert, furtive, hugger-mugger, secret, stealthy, surreptitious, undercover; calculating, designing, scheming, plotting

Entry Word: prevaricate
Function: verb
Text: to make a statement one knows to be untrue <during the hearings the witness was willing to prevaricate in order to protect his friend> -- see LIE 1

Main Entry: pre·var·i·cate
Pronunciation: pri-'var-&-"kAt
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -cat·ed; -cat·ing
Etymology: Latin praevaricatus, past participle of praevaricari to act in collusion, literally, to straddle, from prae- + varicare to straddle, from varus bowlegged
: to deviate from the truth : EQUIVOCATE
synonym see LIE
- pre·var·i·ca·tion /-"var-&-'kA-sh&n/ noun
- pre·var·i·ca·tor /-'var-&-"kA-t&r/ noun
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:09 PM
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25. Please please please do a poll to choose the best suggestion.
<shamelessly plugs "Clinfabulation">

:D







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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:15 PM
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26. everyone does this, it is called assimilating
If I remember correctly. Accomodating would be where you change your opinion to fit the facts. With assimilating you fit the facts into your opinion. And everyone does both to a degree. I like this quote, but cannot remember the author: "Given a choice between changing their mind and proving that there is no need to do so, most people will get busy on the proof."

Or, there is what I call "Newton's second law of arguments" - for every argument, there is an equal but opposite counter-argument.

If the facts are on one side, it is not equal in a sense, but if other facts are brought into play and the argument is eloquent, smooth, or bombastic enough, it looks equal in a debate.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:18 PM
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27. sociopathy
reality doesn't matter to the sociopath - but shifting "facts" to whoever the audience is, with no compunction, in order to get the desired result does matter to the sociopath.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:35 PM
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31. spot on
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:25 PM
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29. Isn't it call "burlesque" A good example Chris Matthews on "Hardball"
Twisting dramatic news to make a subject appear ridiculous by treating it in an incongruous way, by presenting the Demcractic party and Michael Moore with vulgarity.
It is not in keeping with what is correct, proper, and the truth.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 12:29 PM
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30. There is one word that covers it all and means all those
Edited on Sun Jan-22-06 12:30 PM by EST
other terms that equate to lying. Republicans always have it switched on, and a lot of self styled dems do, as well. It's called "spin."
Problem with it is: if used often enough, it becomes a jones so insidious that, unlike heroin or meth, it becomes a part of the background and the addict often doesn't even know his evaluation of fact does not resemble truth. Should he accidentally happen to see the false-to-fact relationship, he rationalizes the lie as necessary in service of a larger good.

In rare instances, a personal tragedy, near death experience, profound spiritual experience, or maybe an "OMFG! What have I become?" may start a process of restoring sanity (re-sanitization?) that can lead a thug out of the darkness, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:41 PM
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32. it is called "rationalization"
i think
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:43 PM
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33. It is lying
period

unless it's done by the mentally ill

and then it's grounds for institutionalization
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 03:49 PM
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34. I think the word is "disingenuous".
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