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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:49 AM
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The Moment That Changed America Forever: August 6, 2001
It was on this date that the Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) included a memo titled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S."

Forget everything previous to this. Forget about Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and any other missed opportunity to capture and deal with Osama Bin Laden and terrorists around the world and here at home. The PDB of August 6, 2001 was the defining moment in time. If someone had taken a snapshot of that moment, we could say this is where the Path to 9/11 really began.

At that moment, George W. Bush, the President of the United States of America, Dick Cheney, the Vice President, Condolezza Rice, and all other people of power and influence in the American Government were put on notice. At that moment, they became aware of the potential of America itself being a target of a terrorist attack.

It would seem that all other business of the day would have paled in comparison to this memo, regardless of what it was. This was the specific moment in time when every decision made influenced the outcome of what eventually happened on September 11, 2001.

At that moment in time, President Bush could have made this a top priority. He could have assigned people to specifically deal with the issue, make recommendations, and put every man, woman, and child in America on notice that terrorists were determined to strike us here.

And perhaps that would have been enough. Perhaps someone in Boston would have looked at the men who were accused of crashing planes into the World Trade Center Towers as suspicious. There are reports that had people been more vigilant that morning, some of the terrorists may have not been given permission to board. Did any of the terrorists act suspicious? Did anyone in the airport notice anything that would have raised red flags had they been put on notice just a month earlier that terrorists were determined to strike us here at home?

We will never know, because that memo was largely ignored by this Administration. Bush went about his vacation in August as planned. Life in America was unchanged. And unknown to the victims, they were spending their last days with their loved ones.

You can try to place blame where you see fit, but it is this moment in time - a snapshot - that could have changed everything had it been handled differently. And Osama Bin Laden is still loose, 5 years later. Had the Bush Administration not been so dead set on invading Iraq that they outsourced the capture of Bin Laden at Tora Bora, we would have had him.

The first World Trade Center attack happened barely one month after Bill Clinton took office, and the perpetrators were captured in short order. The second World Trade Center attack happened after George Bush was in office for almost 8 months. The mastermind behind that attack is still on the loose, 5 years later, growing his group of American haters, and plotting his next attack.

Given these facts, you tell me who is responsible for 9/11.
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Wafture Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:51 AM
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1. It all depends on what the meaning of in is


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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:26 AM
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11. LOL
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Wafture Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:52 AM
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2. 8/6/01


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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:54 AM
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3. thanks
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:06 AM
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5. K & R
:kick:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:13 AM
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6. a document that every American ought to read and every American Newspaper
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 10:14 AM by Supersedeas
ought to print to commemorate the Sept. 11 attacks
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:36 AM
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15. the last 2 paragraphs on page 2 were sanitized,, I saw this on
or about 4/12/04 when the PDB was released publicly. This was the 3rd paragraph that I memorized:
"weeks many many dead, very very big uproar, possibly using hijacked commercial jets as suicide weapons to be crashed into skyscrapers in New York City, Chicago and Washington DC." that was followed by a closing paragraph.
It was shown late in the afternoon on cable. I didn't have the VCR on and I was expecting to see that again and tape it however the next time I saw that PDB it was cleansed and free of that damaging detail.

Sure wish someone else had seen it. Still, that PDB was ordered by the king to update him on the Phoenix Flight Memo where rumor had it Arabs wanted to learn how to fly commercial jets.


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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 01:30 PM
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27. Here's page 2, the page that mentions hijacking and NY buildings
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 01:33 PM by walldude


"No one could have predicted that they would hijack planes and use them as missles."

"The Aug 6th PDB was a historical document"

-Dr C. Rice Queen of the assholes.
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Cygnusx2112 Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 09:55 AM
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4. Bravo and well said.
I'd recommend if I had enough posts, but here's a kick. :)
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:19 AM
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7. So true...
you'd think this would spark SOME concern in the leaders of a country. Or, maybe they did take note of this, but were so excited about the possibility of getting their own "Pearl Harbor" that they took no action.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:22 AM
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8. Why do you want to bother our beautiful minds
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 11:09 AM by dogday
with the truth? Read the last paragraph of the briefing.....

So Bush says, let's go fishing, right???
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:22 AM
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9. Kick this. Recommend this.
This is the key to why pResident Bush has been such a liability to the United States and the world -- his epoch-making moral laziness, which also led to the destruction of New Orleans and Iraq, the encouragement of hundreds of terror groups, and the world-wide loss of respect for the USA.

It is the single most important post I've seen in a long, long time.

Print it out and give it to all your friends. It's that important.

--p!
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:25 AM
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10. "Given these facts, you tell me who is responsible for 9/11"
Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. Looking for domestic responsibility, whether it's freeper morons trying to blame Clinton or tin foilers pushing a MIHOP theory, is about the most dangerous partisan game of political hatred that I've seen in my lifetime.

The people who attacked us on that day don't give a shit who is in office, which makes them a bipartisan enemy of the United States that will have to be dealth with by either party in power. Clouding the issue makes that tough job even more difficult for the non-partisan, non-Administration government professionals working to keep this country safe.

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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:29 AM
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14. What about the "You've covered your ass, now get out of here"?
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:39 AM
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16. I think I made myself clear.
Feel free to disagree, or put the focus wherever you want it.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 01:23 PM
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26. Well, it makes it tough
for the non-partisan, non-Administration government rofessionals working to keep this country safe when the bozo in chief tells said professionals they've covered their ass, and then go to Texas for a month of vacation.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:08 AM
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22. There are levels of responsibility - criminal, civil etc. Law is nuanced
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 11:09 AM by The Count
There's criminal intent (OBL), there's reckless disregard to human life, there's negligence, there's sleeping on the job.
Somewhere, in this wide range, those who disregarded the Clinton briefings and the CIA warnings are responsible for something. Especially those who swore an oath...
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:36 PM
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28. Those recriminations come at the ballot box. n/t
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:40 PM
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30. Diebold cancelled those "recriminations. These are crimes. Need punishment
The "rule of law" people. They need to pay.
What they did is far worse that drug posessuin or DUI or hit and run. Regular Joes are arrested for those.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:48 PM
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32. I don't buy in to those conspiracy theories, either. n/t
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 12:42 PM
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25. Negligence is a form of responsibility, or lack of.
George Bush was negligent in taking responsible, prudent action on the memo. As Commander In Chief, the buck stops with him. He may not have planned the event, or participated in it, but he is ultimately responsible for what happens as a result of his inaction when presented with a threat to America. Ultimately, the responsibility of the decisions he makes, and their outcome, are his and his alone.

His lack of action shows a level of irresponsibility and unaccountability that is in conflict with the office he holds.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:37 PM
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29. Indeed. And voters will have their chance to hold his party to account.
That's the way recriminations should be dished out in this debate, IMO.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:41 PM
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31. In a democracy, maybe. Not in Diebold country.
believe it or not, Gore, Kerry - won!
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:50 PM
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33. Gore, sure. Kerry, no.
And Diebold didn't hand either their loss. The voters did that in the second, and the SC in the first.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:27 AM
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12. This memo?
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:29 AM
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13. You're wrong! On August 7 he was very busy! See here:
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:40 AM
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17. OBL is only relevant in blaming Clinton, for W - he is irrelevant
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 10:59 AM
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:04 AM
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20. Hey, Doze...
Those responsible for the first WTC attack were brought to justice. But, for the second?

And I have news for you: in spite of what PT911&comp told ya

IT IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

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BeautifulLoser Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:06 AM
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21. No it's not
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 11:07 AM by BeautifulLoser
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:13 AM
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23. Well, beautiful, enjoy your wars cuz we got them. How that takes care
of the terrorism?
I believe it was your friend Jr who told Couric that the hardest part of his job is to link 911 to the war in Iraq. For once I agree with him. It's getting harder too, as you can't fool all the people all the time.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:55 PM
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35. Now THERE's a convincing argument.
Got anything to add, or just blindly spouting off what you wish were true?
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:01 AM
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19.  Bush Says Memo Said 'Nothing About an Attack on America'
Bush Says Memo Said 'Nothing About an Attack on America'
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/11/politics/11WIRE-BUSH.html
Published: April 11, 2004

ORT HOOD, Texas -- President Bush said Sunday he was satisfied before Sept.
11, 2001, that federal agents were on top of the terrorist threat when he
read a briefing memo on Osama bin Laden's intention to strike inside the
United States.

"I wanted to know whether there was anything, any actionable intelligence,"
Bush said, and when he read the memo of Aug. 6, 2001, "I was satisfied that
some of the matters were being looked into."


In his first comments since Saturday's release of the presidential daily
brief, Bush said the document contained "nothing about an attack on
America."

Bush said if there had been any specific intelligence pointing to threats of
attacks on New York and Washington, "I would have moved mountains" to
prevent it.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 11:22 AM
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24. W tried to blick the memo release - long rebuttal
Robbedvoter Delete this messageReply to this messageEdit this message Bush, George W

NEWS ANALYSIS

A Warning, but Clear?
By DOUGLAS JEHL
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/11/politics/11ASSE.html?hp
Published: April 11, 2004

ASHINGTON, April 10 ‹ In a single 17-sentence document, the intelligence
briefing delivered to President Bush in August 2001 spells out the who,
hints at the what and points toward the where of the terrorist attacks on
New York and Washington that followed 36 days later.

Whether its disclosure does lasting damage to Mr. Bush's presidency and
re-election prospects may depend on whether the White House succeeds in
persuading Americans that, as a whole, its significance adds up to less than
a sum of those parts.

In a written rebuttal twice as long as the document itself, the White House
sought Saturday night to drive home a single major point: that the briefing
"did not warn of the 9/11 attacks." The idea that Al Qaeda wanted to strike
in the United States was already evident, senior officials argued. They also
said that while the document cited fresh details to make that case, they
were insufficient to prompt any action.

Still, after two years in which the White House sought to prevent the
disclosure of the document, Mr. Bush's critics are bound to seize on those
details as evidence that the president had something to hide....
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 05:53 PM
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34. did anybody hear AL Franken's suggested ''P2911'' scenario today?
Edited on Mon Sep-11-06 05:53 PM by Gabi Hayes
He posited that the movie should have begun with a shot of the Pigfarm, moving into the bathroom, dumbo astride the throne, reading a Sports Illustrated.

he gets up, walks across the floor, and smushes up a piece of paper, which upon closeup shot, is revealed to the the PDB, with a big W footprint on it

details aren't exactly correct, and he did a much better job setting it out, but it was pretty inspired, IMO
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-12-06 10:03 AM
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36. Awesome!
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