For those who believe 2004 was stolen and want MSM to cover it click here!

[helderheid]

Some of you have watched the documentary the Dutch version of PBS put out here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x203454

about the Carlyle group. They obviously are not afraid to report the truth.

The theft of our 2004 election has gotten very little press but I do believe Tegenlicht, if aware, would produce another documentary like the one they did on the Carlyle group in 2003. You can buy online Mark Crispin Miller's book "Fooled Again" on a Dutch version of Amazon here:

http://www.nl.bol.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store

Click on "boeken (Engels)" and then

"snel zoeken" put the title "Fooled Again" and click the arrow.


What do you all think about buying this book and sending it to Tegenlicht?

Send to:

Contact information:
VPRO TV / Tegenlicht
PO Box 11
1200 JC Hilversum
telephone: [phone]
fax: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]


Other books to send:

What Went Wrong In Ohio: The Conyers Report On The 2004 Presidential Election by Anita Miller and Gore Vidal (Paperback - May 2005)
Books: See all 32 items
Buy new: $10.95 $8.76 Used & new from $7.68 Usually ships in 24 hours
Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? : Exit Polls, Election Fraud, and the Official Count

Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? : Exit Polls, Election Fraud, and the Official Count by Steve Freeman and Joel Bleifuss (Paperback - May 15, 2005)
Books: See all 32 items
Buy new: $15.95 $10.85 Not yet released.
The State We're In

The State We're In by Mark Crispin Miller (Aug 1, 2005)
Books: See all 32 items
Buy new: $0.49 Available for download now
Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election?

Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election? by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld, and Harvey Wasserman (Paperback - May 2005)
Books: See all 32 items
Buy new: $40.00 Used & new from $33.25 Usually ships in 24 hours
How the Gop Stole America's 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008

How the Gop Stole America's 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008 by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman (Paperback - Sep 30, 2005)
Books: See all 32 items
Buy new: $12.00 Used & new from $10.88 Usually ships in 24 hours
Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order


Steal This Vote: Dirty Elections and the Rotten History of Democracy in America by Andrew Gumbel (Paperback - Jul 10, 2005)
Books: See all 32 items
Buy new: $15.95 $10.85 Used & new from $8.35 Usually ships in 24 hours

edited to fix links and instructions

[blm]

1. I think alternative European media may be just the thing - US media is too

cowardly to lift a finger.

[helderheid]

2. unfortunate but true!

[Maru Kitteh]

9. Also true that nobody here in the US where it would matter

would actually SEE this. Good God. People here don't keep up with the news or educate themselves about what's going on here with the 4+ different 24 hour news sources they have available HERE. You think some documentary we could talk the Dutch into doing would have an impact? I disagree.

If it's important to you then by all means, you should work on it. They are bastards and they did commit fraud.

[helderheid]

10. You're kidding. How many here have SEEN the Carlyle documentary on DU?

WE ARE THE MEDIA. They do the documentary. They have it on their website. We send that link to everyone we know.

[orleans]

24. not to change the subject a little but i bought eleven copies

and sent a copy to: howard dean, alcee hastings, louise slaughter, dick durbin, susan collins, arlen specter, chris dodd, carl levin, russ feingold, and lincoln chafee.

(for the three republicans i removed the dust jacket--too inflammatory)

of course it will probably take then two months to clear it before their offices get it...but at least i made an effort.

(anyway--if you start talking about sending copies out to congress, i've already got a few of them covered.)

and i'm kickin this thread!

[helderheid]

11. I want to also ask that if any of you know of investigative journalism

programs in any other country that we contact them as well. Please list their contact info here. If memory serves, there is one in Canada called the 4th Estate?

[Maru Kitteh]

3. I went to Ohio, traveled over 950 miles to volunteer

But the final truth of the matter is we as Democrats including Kerry totally dropped the ball in 2004. YES they engaged in fraud and pulled their usual bag of dirty tricks out and it was probably just enough to do us in but we SHOULD have had that election and the one before it on a silver platter SO LARGE there was NO WAY they could take it.

It's important for us to fight voter fraud but we could certainly do a better job of it if we were IN power, not out. It's more important for us to learn how to run a campaign, manipulate the media and WIN like they do.

[helderheid]

5. I'm not debating that but that isn't what this thread is about.

[linazelle]

7. That is utter BS. Until there is a way to combat vote fraud, little else

matters. Campaigning is not the answer to cheating.

[marions ghost]

12. so what you're saying is...

the Democrats should have to elicit a higher degree of support from the public in order to attain the presidency than Republicans...and this is because Repugs are likely to steal elections? What sports team would agree to compete under that double standard? Not very logical.

U say, "It's more important for us to ...WIN like they do." ---Do you advocate cheating to win then?

[helderheid]

17. .

[bleever]

4. Recommended. Well worth exploring.

:thumbsup:

[cantstandbush]

6. I also believe that Election 2000 was stolen. n/t

[helderheid]

15. same here

[helderheid]

8. In my "winkel wagentje" so far - I will send the following to them

Artikel: Aantal: Prijs Totaal



How the GOP Stole America's 2004 Election & Is Rigging 2008
Harvey Wasserman & Bob Fitrakis
Paperback 3-4 werkdagen € 13,49
U bespaart: 13% € 13,49




Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election?
Harvey Wasserman, Bob Fitrakis & Steve Rosenfeld
Paperback 5-7 werkdagen € 36,99
U bespaart: 9% € 36,99




Steal This Vote!
Andrew Gumbel
Paperback 5-7 werkdagen € 15,49
U bespaart: 9% € 15,49




Fooled Again
Mark Crispin Miller
Paperback 5-7 werkdagen € 23,49
U bespaart: 10% € 23,49






Subtotaal: € 89,46


Totaal : € 89,46

[helderheid]

13. My Dutch is rusty and I ended up ordering the above sent to my

in-laws and invoiced to the producer! Fortunately my Dutch worked well enough to cancel the order!! I will have to send this from an English site. I know people have issues with Amazon but I think perhaps getting Mark Crispin Miller's book #1 on Amazon may outweigh the other issues.

[marions ghost]

14. this is an excellent idea helderheid

please let us know what response you get.

Yes, we need to try to distribute this book as widely as possible. You know, after the election it seemed to me that even a lot of Europeans had a hard time believing the election was stolen. Maybe you/we can help convince them.

[helderheid]

16. thank you so much! I will definitely report what they say. Please email

them! :)

[Imagevision]

18. Remember the British Cover story: " America, WHAT HAPPENED??

[helderheid]

19. Which publication? They need a copy of Mark Crispin Miller's book too!

[Rocknrule]

20. 2004 HAD to have been stolen

It makes no sense that we won all the battles (debates) but lost the war. It HAD to have been fixed.

Sorry for stating the obvious

[helderheid]

21. don't be sorry

;)

[helderheid]

22. you have a few hours to recommend this if you think it deserves it.

[helderheid]

23. goin to bed

[helderheid]

25. kick

[helderheid]

26. I posted this on Tegenlicht's forum:

http://vpro.react.nl/programma/tegenlicht/forum/list_messages/1184

[helderheid]

27. .