The Bin Laden Effect- Does Osama Justify Spying? (NBC)

[underpants]

The Today Show.

Notice how the latest (of 19) Osama tapes came out last Thursday and this week they already have a full court press offensive ready to go using that tape to justify their spying. Where did I put that tinfoilhat?

Video 8/15 is The piece with Lauer and David Gregory.

Note here that Rove's speech didn't "go too far" (I guess no one cried on camera) but in fact was "BLISTERING!". Also Gregory states that this will be a major issue in this year's elections which is pretty much all that Bush has to run on right now. Gregory does point out the role that OBL tapes have played in the past specifically right before the election in 2004.

Video 2/15 is Dan Bartlett being interviewed by Katie. Enjoy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633/

[Richardo]

1. Spy all you want just get a goddamn warrant like the law requires.

Goddamn argument re-framing bastards.

[bryant69]

2. Dead on

The key question isn't should they be spying, but why do they want to spy without oversight?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[underpants]

4. DING!

As I posted elsewhere (it is so clear even I get it) they can spin this as much as they want they can't spin the law in a courtroom. They are basically doing what they say they hate for "trial lawyers" to do-run out their experts to counter act the other experts. Well fine go ahead. Everyone knows you broke the law. Period. End of issue.

[Name removed]

5. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rfranklin]

3. How many times have they caught an American citizen talking....

to Osama? I don't think they can come up with one instance.

[underpants]

6. None in fact they can't point to ONE instance of this being effective

Have you heard them say that it has actually worked? They could even make the claim and then hide behind "national security" but they don't. Not one example of this stopping one terrorist act or anything close to it.

[savemefromdumbya]

7. I don't think you need the tinfoilhat

I saw something on Tv the other night - forget who it was that said it but the joke went " you can tell how old the Osama video is, in the background they're playing 'Who Let the Dogs Out'

[underpants]

8. George Bush Recorded Latest Bin Laden Tape Himself Says Abramoff

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i10191

[savemefromdumbya]

9. LOL!

[gulliver]

10. So far it's another red herring.

Bush hasn't proved his spying accomplished anything at all. Does he really expect us to believe that important Al Qaeda business was disrupted or that their conversations were even successfully monitored. If so, why aren't we seeing any arrests?

It's all bluffing and bluster from incompetents and madmen. It's Cheney trying to remake the world in his own twisted image. It's Bush going along because he thinks it makes him God Emperor of Dune. It's Rove spinning the whole thing so that Americans don't understand what it really is. Folly, outrage, crime.

[underpants]

11. Yes

but the question remains (and BEGS to be asked) who were they spying on?

That question is just a bonus since we already know that they broke the law. I would like to know who it was that they were spying on that they couldn't tell the FISA court.