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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 03:42 PM
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It's Election Day in Canada: Who do Canadian DUer's support?
Edited on Mon Jan-23-06 03:48 PM by Ignacio Upton
Canada has a multiparty parliamentary system, so they don't have two monolithic parties. Here are Canada's four major parties (parties that have seats in the House of Commons.):

The center-left Liberal Party. In America they would be labeled socialist, but in Canada they're centrist. They're the ruling party, and Prime Minister Paul Martin is their leader. Ruling for 12 years, they have recently experienced a series of corruption scandals (sounds familiar?)On electoral maps their color is red.


The right-wing Conservative Party was only formed in 2003, with the merger of the center-right Progressive Conservatives, and the right Canadian Alliance Party (which is basically like the mainstream of the GOP, while the old Progressive Cons were more like the "Rockefeller Republican" wing of the GOP, at least in relation to the American political spectrum.) Their electoral map color is blue.


The New Democratic Party (NDP) is basically the premier socialistic/social democratic party. They're further to the left than the Liberals, and a strong minor party. They're often viewed by the Liberals in the way that Nader and the Greens are viewed by the Democrats (that is, as spoilers.) They formed a coalition government with the Liberals after the June '04 election in order to have a functioning minority government. Their electoral color is orange.



The Bloc Québécois is a left-wing party that aligns ideologically between the Liberals and the NDP. However, unlike the first two, the Bloc is concentrated on the issue of Quebec sovereignty, either through more autonomoy or independence. They are a regional group, and their only seats are in Quebec (but they are the third largest party as a result, since Quebec is Canada's second largest province.)It is suggested that if the Conservatives win (they likely will head the next government after today) and have a minority government, the Bloc will be the only likely party to have a coalition with them, since they generally act in their own self-interest, which means if necessary, they will form a coalition to have leverage.




Who do you support? Personally, I want the Liberals to stay in power as a minority government with the NDP (which apparently hasn't worked out.) OTHO, I sort of view the Liberals in the same way as the GOP in this country: both parties have been in power for 12-13 years, and corruption and "one party syndrome" are taking hold. However, unlike the GOP, the Liberals are not right-wing douchebages. However, while Harper and the Tories may be considered right wing in Canada (and secretly they are) even if they exposed themselves, they still would only be as bad a John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, or Arlen Specter. Any politician like George W. Bush or Dick Cheney in the Conservative Party would not be Prime Minister, and if they try to destroy Universal Healthcare it will make Bush's quest to privatize Social Security look like a game of tiddlywinks. If the Conservatives take over, I hope that they have a minority government with the Bloc Québécois as their partner. The Bloc will keep them restrained, and if they veer to the right, then the Bloc could summon a no confidence vote and another election will happen (I wish we could do this in America!)
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 03:49 PM
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1. Canadian Du'ers support Stephen Harper not getting a majority
That's one thing we can all agree on.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 03:51 PM
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2. Agreed
We Americans always used Canada in casual ways to describe any emergency refuge from Republican-rulled America if things get worse (like the draft.) If Harper's elected, then I'll have to try Mexico or fly.
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 03:54 PM
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3. Yeah...what post 1 said.........
Edited on Mon Jan-23-06 03:54 PM by canadianbeaver
I forsee a minority Con.govt.....(hopefully minority)....otherwise...I will have to find another country to live in(only in jest until I really see what Harm Harper can do)....I am scared I can tell ya that for sure!!

NDP...the only ones for the people.....most of the time....better in minority govt's...


on edit...what post 1 said
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 08:47 PM
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13. Yep a minority. And then we can laugh as the gags come off
and the wingnuts start saying what they really want.
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Mother Jones Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:01 PM
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4. We're simply punishing the Liberals
and I know the U.S media has tried to paint it as a wave of conservativism here - not true.

Not sure why you think the NDP 'isn't working'.....Many of us feel they're a great asset to the political spectrum, and are likely to draw in record-high support today.

Re the Tories akin to McCain, Rudy or Arlen.....not so, these are more like Georgie than you think. Stephen and his minions are anti-abortion, anti-same-sex marriage, anti-First Nations, bigots.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:31 PM
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7. Maybe I'm thinking of the Progressive Conservatives
Edited on Mon Jan-23-06 04:39 PM by Ignacio Upton
I know that Haper was head of the Canadian Alliance before the 2003 merger of the parties. Canada's political spectrum IS also to the left of America's (I wish we had your political sectrum instead :( ) Also, I agree with you that Canada is punishing Liberals for one-party rule and its decadence. The Democrats were punished for this in 1994, and hopefully the Republicans will be brought to justice in '06. I don't see even a majority Conservative government even being able to do as much damage without causing a stir (maybe I'm assuming that Canadians are smarter than us when it comes to right-wing lies, or maybe I'm naive.) BTW, notice that red is the color of both the American and Canadian ruling parties?

Anyway, cheers to a minority government, who ever tonight's winner may be!
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Bush_Sucks Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:05 PM
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5. 18 year old Dalhousie student in Halifax...
Proudly voted NDP.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:27 PM
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6. NDP here. And here are some others:
Edited on Mon Jan-23-06 04:30 PM by Minstrel Boy
Actually, it wasn't a coalition government after the '04 election. That would mean seats at cabinet. The NDP remained in opposition. It was a Liberal government that, in exchange for NDP support, enacted some NDP measures. (Most famously a budget ammendment which substituted proposed Liberal tax cuts for investment in social programs.)

Rather than a "strong minor party" I think it could be more accurately characterized as a weak major party. Its federal level of support is 20% and regularly forms provincial governments. Much of what progressive Americans like about Canada is because of NDP initiatives, such as public health care. Tommy Douglas, the founder of the NDP, was recently voted the "Greatest Canadian" because of it.

A few other New Democrats:


Stephen Lewis, formerly Ontario NDP leader and Canada's UN Ambassador, UN Special Envoy on AIDS in Africa


Environmentalist David Suzuki, here with NDP leader Jack Layton


Local heroes Keifer Sutherland (Tommy Douglas's grandson), Sarah Polley and the Barenaked Ladies









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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:33 PM
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8. I wish the NDP luck
Edited on Mon Jan-23-06 04:33 PM by Ignacio Upton
And I hope that the seats/ridings the Liberals will likely lose go to a higher proportion of NDP than expected.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:59 PM
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10. I remember David Suzuki from science TV shows on PBS as a kid
Glad to see he's still around....good luck today, Canada.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:38 PM
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16. I'm happy in my riding. Stephen Lewis endorsed my local NDP candidate...
...and she won! Go Peggy Nash!

On the other hand, I don't want to seem to partisan, since I worked for Elections Canada this year as a central poll supervisor.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:59 PM
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17. Go Peggy Go!
:woohoo:
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:34 PM
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9. GO, GO, GO CANADA!!!
Cheers to kicking some conservative ass up there!!!
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:17 PM
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11. Kick for the Canucks!!
:kick: :)
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:24 PM
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12. NDP for me!
I think the Liberals have let a lot of people down and Paul Martin does not deserve the leadership of the "Grits". The Liberals need to clean house and have a new leader. The NDP has a far better package out of all of the parties, however I do like Duceppe and "le Bloc". They seem closer to the NDP out of all of the parties. I will settle for anybody but the Cons but my choice would be NDP!


John
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 08:58 PM
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14. one more kick for Canada!




John
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 09:08 PM
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15. Harper is a Neocon
I hope that Canadians don't vote him in. I can tell them from experience that they don't want to deal with a neocon government. Neocons are nothing but trouble. I know that there has been a corruption scandal with the liberals, but they will have ten times more corruption if they vote Harper in. Please don't make the same mistake we made, Canada!

Tammy
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