Idiot son: "...it's not fair to employers who may be breaking the law."

[NNN0LHI]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/23/se.01.html

<snip>I've thought a lot about this issue. I just want you to know. By the way, when you mentioned guest worker, a lot of people automatically spring to amnesties. All I want is to grant legal status. That's just not the case. I don't believe we ought to do that.

But I do believe we ought to recognize there are people doing work others won't do. And there's a lot of good employers here in Kansas employing these people. And the employers don't know whether or not somebody is here legally or not.

What's happened is a whole kind of industry has sprung up around people coming here.

And it's inhumane, it's inhumane for the people being trafficked into the United States and it's not fair to employers who may be breaking the law.

[KitchenWitch]

1. "jobs that people will not do" is such a misnomer

If these "shit" jobs paid a decent wage and offered decent benefits, I am willing to bet that a lot of people would be willing to do them.

[The Gunslinger]

10. Thats right

Worst talking point ever.

[AllegroRondo]

12. Its "jobs that people cant afford to take"

[KitchenWitch]

14. exactly!

Right on!

[recoveringrepublican]

19. that's exactly what it is

There is NO job I feel is beneath me. There is also NO job I feel isn't worth a living wage.

[lectrobyte]

2. The problem isn't that gues workers are doing work that no one

else will do, it's that they are doing it for a wage that no one else would accept.

[Sydnie]

3. Isn't it the employers responsibility to determine if they are legal

or not? I know every job I apply for and accept requires me to file the proper paperwork to prove that I have a legal right to work in this country. Why aren't they doing that? What gives them special rules?

[sandnsea]

4. Fake documents

They come with fake documents, for the most part. Employers check them and, wink wink, don't know they're illegal. That's why none of this will really work, if they want to stop illegal workers they're going to have to do it through employer enforcement.

[TahitiNut]

15. They can require piss tests and blood tests but not 'right to work' proof?

I, too, have been required to prove I'v had the right to work every time in the last 20-25 years - usually I use my passport. There's not a fucking thing that stops these employers from KNOWING they're employing illegal migrants. They damned well do know it! They should be jailed.

[bunkerbuster1]

5. I was for amnesty before I was against it!

flip flopper.

Who the hell believes this guy, anyway? About anything?

[xchrom]

6. ok -- while i'm not big on the illegal immigration issue

the only way to enforce this is through the employers.

they have a responsibility to make sure the folks a legal and it's a hell of a lot cheaper to get to the employers.

and that whole notion that they don't know they're illegal -- bullshit.

but seriously -- can you imagine a week in cali with out illegal immigrants -- this place would fall apart.
just doesn't bother me.

[MindPilot]

8. Have you seenthe movie "A Day Without A Mexican"?

It's funny as hell, but also a very educational look at what may happen if the hispanic component of California's workforce suddenly vanished.

[xchrom]

11. that's what came to mind.

i love california -- and love the relationship we have with mexico and i'm thrilled that people come here to make their lives better.

i wish that could happen for them at home -- but that's not the world.

when i lived in arizona i had a house keeper who was as a sanctuary person with the catholic church -- she was el salvadoran -- i was thrilled she was living safely and taking care of her family --

[Kansas Wyatt]

7. "a whole kind of industry has sprung up around people coming here."

Well no shit!

Allow illegal immigrants to come and work unchecked, and it becomes a cheap labor industry gutting the American Worker.

[LittleClarkie]

9. I want to drive drunk. It's not fair that it is an illegal activity.

Do you think I can get Bush to address that issue as well?

[MindPilot]

22. I think that's more an issue for the first lady...

Seriously, I intend to tell the cop the next time I get pulled over "the president doesn't have to obey the law, why should I?" It will probably get my ass tazed and jailed, but I'm rapidly approaching nothing left to lose mode.

[Virginian]

13. I don't understand

He mentioned the industry that creates fake papers for the illegal workers and then said that people would get a temporary work card. How does that address the industry that has built up around the fake credentials and how will the employers know if the new work card is real or fake? Won't the old fake credentials be just as fake and just as useful after there is a work card?

Isn't he just adding one more possibility of fake documents the illegal employers can use to excuse hiring people illegally

[no_more_rhyming]

16. What's the labor rate

for a undocumented framer? $8.00 per hr. For a documented worker $12.00 per hr. For a unionized framer $18.00 per hr. I just had a home built and although I don't know for a fact, I suspect some of the labor may have been undocumented. I could not afford to pay 100% more for a new house. I'm glad I didn't have to. Unions have done a poor job organizing their trades.

[oneighty]

18. Mind now

The contractor may be charging union wages while paying scabs as little as possible and pocketing the difference. (While grinning ear to ear)

It is the way.

180

[recoveringrepublican]

20. oh yeah, it's all the unions' fault...pffffttt

How much did the company who built your house make? I doubt there are many "just barely making it" construction companies out there. Yeah, no room to shift some of THEIR profit around. pfft

[no_more_rhyming]

21. I honestly don't know

what the builder's margin is. There are several builders in this community from semi-custom to custom. I have noticed that some use the same sub contractors.

[Imagevision]

17. this from a US. president--- unbelieveable!!!!!!

[Beelzebud]

23. As someone who lost a job "that no one wants" to illegal workers,

and then finally out-sourcing, I can say from experience that Bush is, FULL OF SHIT.