Can you take this short survey today? Move-On wants to know about evoting

[helderheid]

http://political.moveon.org/eintegritysurvey/survey.html

Dear MoveOn member,
Time and again, MoveOn members rank election integrity as a top priority. There are lots of ways to make our elections more secure and fair, so we're asking a small sample of members to help decide what we should focus on.

Can you take this short survey today?

http://political.moveon.org/eintegritysurvey/survey.html

In 2005, MoveOn members made great progress on election integrity. The highlights are:

We advocated nationally for paper records. Thousands of MoveOn members called Congress seeking to make sure every vote is recorded securely and accurately. Hundreds met with Congressional representatives face to face. Our efforts helped add 24 new co-sponsors to this crucial legislation, but it hasn't passed yet. We'll continue to put on pressure in 2006.
In North Carolina, Colorado, Hawaii, Connecticut, and California, we won legislation requiring electronic voting machines to print paper records. Phone calls by MoveOn members played a big role in these victories—showing legislators that the public was watching. This year, 19 more states required a paper record of every vote, bringing the total to 27. More than half the states now guarantee reliable voting machines.
In Connecticut, members helped pass the most sweeping campaign finance reform in the nation's history, setting a new standard for fighting corruption. We worked closely with groups like Public Campaign and Common Cause to add pressure at key moments.
In Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Virginia, members are successfully beating back Republican efforts to make voting harder for people of color, elderly, disabled, and low-income voters. Members have stopped provisions requiring every voter to have a photo ID and disenfranchising former prisoners who've served their time.
In Ohio, we supported investigations into voting machine discrepancies. Member donations funded legal action that dug up secret electronic voting machine records and paper documents to compare them to and supported a national voting machine expert in analyzing the data. This analysis is being used to fight for accountable voting machines for next time.
What should we focus on in 2006? With MoveOn, you decide. Take this short survey at:

http://political.moveon.org/eintegritysurvey/survey.html

Thank you for all you do.

–Noah, Jennifer, Adam, Micayla and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Monday, January 23rd, 2006


http://political.moveon.org/eintegritysurvey/survey.html

Please type in any one of the following in the "Other" category

a. Mandatory independent random vote count audits

b. Public release of detailed vote counts broken out by precinct and by
vote-type

c. Public exit polls

[Wilms]

1. Glad to see moveon figured it out. n/t

[Ian David]

2. done! n/t

I didn't read your whole message first, so I didn't put your ideas in the "Other" box.

[skids]

3. I'd be more convinced they cared...

...if they weren't using the survey to collect names and email addresses. Maybe I'll give it a whirl anyway, but...

[EST]

4. Done! High time for this!

[Twist_U_Up]

9. Damn Straight. Has Moveon ever approached this subject ?

Big voice, if not.

bout time too

[catabryna]

5. Thanks for the link...

However, I didn't take your advice in the "other" category. The things you mention are certainly important but, in the questions I was asked, those things were covered. The questions are not the same everytime you click on the link.

I asked that more thought be given to a proposal for voting by mail to be more widespread. The State of Oregon does this and the number of voters has risen over the years. Turnout is very important and I want to see more people vote.

edited to clarify...

[helderheid]

6. damn! Wish I'd done that in other too!

:yourock:

[catabryna]

12. All input is important!

And the things you mention are no less important than my "things". :)

[Twist_U_Up]

7. Done. thanks

[Catchawave]

8. Done.

[rumpel]

10. LA County excludes abssentees from audits. It should real All

(McCormack, County Registrar)

CONNY: Well, there’s no legal requirement. It’s so hard to try to figure out how to do a one percent manual tally of absentees when you have about a half a million of them. And that’s a tremendous number, if you call ita precinct, to go in and say, well, we going to look at one percent of those. There’s been no legal requirement to do so and we just haven’t done it. We obviously think that doing the one percent on the precinct ballots iscovering it. They’re all being counted on the same equipment, so what we find on the equipment, on the opticalreaders, we find occasionally a reader that isn’t doing as well as it should and—Yeah, hello, we do. I mean, I’m not trying to hide anything from you. Optical scan equipment sometimes goes out of calibration. And so whenyou’re doing all the one percent, if you find, well, this piece of equipment, let’s go see all the ballots, includingthe absentees that were counted on them. So we look at that. In terms of the electronic, we’ve done the image, you know, took the image of the same thing, if we print out the paper, it’s the same that’s on the electronic. Ofcourse, it’s always going to be the same. I don’t know whether you saw, I was on 60 Minutes before thepresidential, and I said – well, you know, I didn’t really mean to be flip, but I basically said, you know, in Florida, in 2000, what everybody found out was that when you recount, it doesn’t come out as when the firsttime you counted. This shocked everybody. This was really upsetting to everybody. And then when theelectronic came in and the recounts all came out exact, well, this upset everybody. And I don’t think there’s anything in between. It’s either going to come out the same or it’s not going to come out the same. I haven’tfound anything in between, so this is – you know. nobody seems to be happy, no matter what, and I think it’sgoing to be interesting to do the tie recount, because, you know, chances are, something’s going to be off, there goes another vote or maybe that one didn’t read right, ‘cause perfection isn’t out there. And when we have a tie,that’s expecting perfection, so—

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=409746

actual transcipt can be found here:
http://www.dpsfv.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=82

on edit: In other words someone like McCormack will always find an excuse to exclude this or the other.
:mad:

[catabryna]

11. You aren't going to get an argument from me...

It should be all or nothing! There are no polling places in Oregon. They've saved a ton of money, everything is on paper and voter turnout has increased. I know that families tend to talk more about their positions on political issues and no one has to worry about being approached in the elementary school parking lot (or wherever) in an attempt to change their vote. You don't have to worry about under or untrained poll workers or last minute changes of polling places. No lines... which is a big deal in rainsoaked Oregon, no trying to get off work to make it to the polls... etc. Every vote is an absentee vote! Exit polling can still be done; it just needs to be done differently.

Oregon has always been ahead of the curve when it comes to voters' issues.

[Cleita]

20. That makes sense. We ought to work towards this goal in

all the other states.

[catabryna]

21. Hi Cleita!

At this point, I think that this is probably the easiest fix to all of the voting problems we are currently experiencing. In addition, it addresses all of the concerns raised under our current process if one were to really sit down and think about it.

I don't expect the republicans to support such an effort as it makes voting, in their opinion, "too easy". And, when something is "too easy", you get a higher turnout. We all know that us Dems outnumber the Repubs and Dems voting in higher numbers than they are currently are likely to outnumber their party's numbers drastically.

It would be a fight, but I think it's our most promising fight at this time. Voting SHOULD be easy! I remember the first time I voted. It was in Oregon in 1983 right after I turned 18. I hadn't even had time to register but, there was a huge vote coming up which would impact my very own school. I went down to the courthouse four days after my 18th birthday, registered to vote and walked right on over to the booth. But, again, that's "too easy" isn't it? Horsehockey!

Hope you are doing well! :hi:

[HomerRamone]

13. Other: HAND-COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS!

NOT the loophole-prone "Require electronic voting machines to print voter-verified paper records" they offered...

[mopinko]

16. that's my other, too. paper ballots, hand counted.

canada can do it, why can't we?

[mirrera]

14. What about the counting???

I have had some of the MoveOn people over to my house (long story) and they seem afraid to really bite into this issue of insecure software. The only one who really "got" it was their programmer. I put in the "other" slot of their survey that de-certifying vote counting software until it is proven unhackable, and I gave them the link to this article which explains the problem very well: http://votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=645&Itemid=26



http://NoBullshiRt.com

[EVDebs]

15. What's to know, it wasn't good enough for DOD but they allowed public

to be 'experimented' upon. We all know the results of those two elections.

February 6, 2004
Defense Dept. Shelves Online Voting
By Jim Wagner

http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3309471

[Gelliebeans]

17. done

[RazzleDazzle]

18. They have the AUDACITY to say they have a good record?

In 2005, MoveOn members made great progress on election integrity.

They are so fucking late to the party they ought to be so ashamed of themselves they don't even TRY to tout their so-called record. And it's not because many, many people didn't try to bring them onboard, either.

They lost me over their stubborn and ignorant utter refusal to act or even look at the electronic voting issue, and this kind of nonsense only confirms and validates my decision.

Fuck MoveOn.org.

[greiner3]

19. Done; N/t