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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:47 PM
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What the Bleep Do We Know film - Feb Rel/LINK
excerpt from site: http://www.whatthebleep.com/

The movie event so many have been waiting for! What the BLEEP!? - Down the Rabbit Hole will be released in theaters in the United States in February. Containing NEW scientific information, never before seen footage, 1 hour and 30 minutes of NEW interviews, two NEW scientists, Dean Radin, Ph.D. and Dr. Masaru Emoto, interviews with author Lynne McTaggart, a NEW opening and three NEW animation sequences, the Director's Cut extended version will satisfy the most ardent BLEEP fans and blow away newcomers to this outrageous hybrid film about cutting edge physics, biology, consciousness and mysticism. Down the Rabbit Hole takes the ideas introduced in the first movie, and plunges the viewer Deep into scientific findings that say Reality is fluid and that we are an integral part of everything.... It's the Next Evolution! Click here to visit the trailer page.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:48 PM
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1. Very bad movie, and probably in the wrong forum.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 04:52 PM
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2. I don't support cults..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_bleep

Which is too bad because I'm really interested in quantum physics.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 05:47 PM
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3. Love that Wikipedia page
The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see discussion on the talk page.


Generally, every Wikipedia page is required to solicit approval from websites and groups like SkepDic and CSICOP, but some of them are worse than others. The current "Bleep" page is one of the few Wikipedia pages written entirely from the leaky spleens of pop-"skeptics" whose obsessive hatred of anything they label "New Age" overcomes their ability to think rationally. The page must have been edited at least once, because the membership of Deepak Chopra in al-Qaeda is not mentioned, nor are his 50 convictions for pedophilia, armed robbery, terrorism, cross-dressing, toad-licking, and mopery with intent to flout. (I guess, like Wikipedia itself, those charges did not pass the sacrament of Peer Review.)

I don't support cults, either, which is why I left the CSICOP/Skeptic fold in the early 1990s. At least it's possible to disagree with "New Agers" and not be ridiculed, besieged with hate e-mail, and accused of various crimes against the law, nature, and social acceptability while at the same time being vilified for oppressing dangerously independent thinkers.

--p!
Off to rob a bank, buggar some children, and oppress some free-thinkers
in the name of Arch-Magistress Shirley MacLaine.
Back in an hour.



ObSkeptic:
:rofl:
Bwa-Ha
(Just cut and paste to reply.)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 05:48 PM
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4. I loved that movie. n/t
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 05:55 PM
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5. So did I...n/t
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:55 PM
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6. Y'know ... I still haven't seen it
But it's been the topic of so much Internet chat (and flamage) that sometimes, I think I could recite it from memory.

Not that I'm claiming to have any extraordinary powers, you understand. I wouldn't want to ruin my already sterling* reputation :)

I'm going to have to rent it, or go see it, if it's playing anywhere accessible. I'm not a big fan of Ramtha (I hear he has a major role in the movie), but Candace Pert and most of the folks from the Santa Fe Institute are pretty cool.

--p!
* No, not Mindy Sterling.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 06:56 PM
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7. It's a modernized flashier version of "Mind Walk" - another movie I LOVED.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 07:53 PM
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8. I have some really powerful crystals I can sell you....
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 08:08 PM
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9. what does that have to do with quantum physics?
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 08:58 PM
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10. Translation:
"I'm an intelligent person, and you are a stupid one, since you obviously believe things I consider to be stupid."

Never underestimate the snarkiness of a "Skeptic"! He's fighting The Rising Tide of Irrationality™ -- and that means you.

--p!
"Anyone who says they understand Quantum Physics
doesn't understand Quantum Physics."

(Richard Feynman, Physics, Drunk and Sober)
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 09:36 PM
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12. Hey, I was just trying to make a buck!
Pig made up that other stuff....
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 10:44 AM
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18. interesting question
Most physicists who watch the movie or read synopses of it also wonder what "water memory," "crystals" and so on have to do with quantum physics.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 09:04 PM
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11. I enjoyed What The Bleep, but investigating those who made the movie
is like a dog chasing its tail.

Anyway, one of the central characters, a Dr. Jeff somebody or something or other, believes homosexuals can be "retrained" to be heterosexuals. The info is out there if anyone wants to look up his name and his record. He's been published on that issue. That's a very out-of-sync attitude for the basic premise of the movie, unless you think quantum physics defines sexuality.

And the guy who "creates his own day"? I've been trying to access his web site for months, but it's always under construction.

The Ramtha organization is a cult. As I said, I like the movie, but as for those behind it, they are all involved with Ramtha.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 09:45 PM
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13. wasn't aware - in that case, check out Mind Walk


CAST
Liv Ullmann

Sam Waterston

John Heard

Ione Skye

Directed by Bernt Capra

Three vacationers meet by chance on the Island Abbey of Mount St. Michel in France and encounter a magical excursion into the world of ideas.


Review from Deseret News, Salt Lake City:

By Chris Hicks
Deseret News movie critic

Like "My Dinner With Andre," "Mindwalk" is a conversation movie — talk, talk, talk . . . and little else.

Except for ideas. There are plenty of those, and for interested audiences that should be more than enough.

"Mindwalk" stars Liv Ullman as Sonia, an alienated physicist; Sam Waterston as Jack, a senator fresh from a failed presidential bid; and John Heard as Thomas, a sardonic poet and friend of Jack, once employed as his speechwriter.

The setting is the French island of Mont St. Michel, which provides gorgeous backgrounds for some outdoor shooting, as well as medieval sites that work as appropriate settings for the conversation — chapels, great halls, etc.

The trio comes together outside a cathedral one morning, waiting for it to open. Sonia has recently resigned a position, realizing her research is helping the American defense industry. She is traveling with her daughter (Ione Skye), and with whom she has a strained relationship. Jack is troubled by technology on the rampage and feels it may conflict with his view of America's political base. And Thomas has left America because of its "conservative backlash," content to live in France as an expatriate.

All three are full of concerns and ponderings they need to share, and the opportunity presents itself as they spend most of the day roaming the island and exchanging thoughts.

The talk never seems strained, although it occasionally borders on pretentiousness. And the ideas are thought-provoking, which, of course, is the film's main intent.

There's nothing wrong with a point of view, and here's a movie that not only proposes one, it works hard to make the film's narrative flow work in harmony with its philosophical ambitions.

"Mindwalk" is based on Fritjof Capra's book "The Turning Point," and employs elements of his earlier book "The Tao of Physics." It is co-scripted by Capra and directed by his brother Bernt Capra. Obviously as a labor of love.

In the film, Sonia is apparently intended as Fritjof Capra's voice, preaching a world vision of living in harmony with the environment, but it would be fair to describe Jack and Thomas as other sides of the same voice. While they do debate a bit, none of it is really in opposition to the basic views presented here. And as such, the film will likely reach almost exclusively an audience that shares its view.

This is delicate stuff, to be sure, but the Capras bring it off well and the actors are excellent, investing an enormous amount of heart and sincerity in the material. (Heard's wisecracking sense of humor is especially welcome, given the sober nature of most of the dialogue.)

"Mindwalk" is rated PG for adult themes.



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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:01 PM
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14. Sounds like a good one.
My little podunk town might not carry it, though, and I rarely watch videos so Netflix isn't an option. I'll keep my eye out for it, and ask the video store owner if he might want to get it. Sometimes he listens to my suggestions. :P
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-23-06 10:54 PM
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15. it's probably time I see it again. I saw it in the movie theater when
it came out - I was 14 and I'll be turning 31 this week so it's been awhile!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:00 AM
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16. Oh, it's 17 years old, thereabouts.
Darn. Now I know for sure they won't have it locally. :(
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:12 AM
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17. sorry!
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