So It Was ROVE'S IDEA to Blow Plame's Cover >>>

[Stephanie]

Your day draws nigh, Karl. Your goose is cooked. I bet you have a hard time sleeping these days. Who will drive the Porsche while you're in jail?

Last week, this State Department official said that a meeting took place in the office of the Vice President after Libby read the memo, to decide how they would respond to Wilson's increasing public criticism about the administration.

"There was a major, major concern about the polls, the public response, that Mr. Wilson could cause enormous damage," the retired senior State Department official said.

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The current State Department official said the INR memo was discussed at length during the meeting Grossman attended at the White House. That meeting may have been the first time other White House officials, including Karl Rove, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, and other unknown administration officials learned that Valerie Plame was Wilson's wife and that she worked at the CIA in a covert capacity.

All of the sources interviewed separately for this story said they were told that Karl Rove was the person who first suggested using the media to "turn the tables on Wilson." The officials wouldn't identify the person who told them this. The decision, however, was made during a meeting that took place between the White House Iraq Group.

"There was a discussion about what to do about Mr. Wilson," the current State Department official said. "There was a decision to leak a story to the press - I think a few journalists - about the Wilson trip, that it was a non-issue because his wife set it up for him. They were going to show that Wilson and his wife were Democrats. Can you imagine? They were going to say 'don't listen to them, they're partisan.' It was a coordinated effort to turn him into the story. Much to my surprise, it worked."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012306Z.shtml

[Catherine Vincent]

1. He doesn't look to be smiling there.

He looks worried.

[boobooday]

2. "Wife is fair game."

The lowlife, arrogant, pompous, shameless scum.

Karl Rove + Jack Abramhoff + Ralph Reed + Grover Norquist x Dick Cheney = America Minus Democracy

[0007]

12. Who was it that called up Chris Matthews and said that

valerie plame was fair game?

[hang a left]

15. It was shitblossom.

[0007]

28. 0h yeah, that's right. Thanks for jogging my coconut.

[Dinger]

46. I Wonder If He Ever Got Rejected By A Plame Lookalike?

Which I could completely understand.

[mod mom]

55. Please consider Herr Rumsfeld to the equation. nt

[LSparkle]

3. Pigboy ... I hope he has FUN in prison ...

Where art thou, Fitz?

[Stephanie]

4. Fitz is building an unescapable TRAP for the pigboy

He can't wriggle out of this one.

[LSparkle]

18. From your lips to God's ears, I pray ...

His next move cannot come too soon for me ..

[tanyev]

5. Surprise, surprise, surprise!

"If there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of."
George Bush, Sept 30,2003
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/19/MNGSQDQ4BU1.DTL

[havocmom]

17. "...take care of" ?!?!

didn't realize he put it quite like that.

Sounds sorta ominous, Pigboy! Stay away from windows in tall buildings, boy. That vertigo can be a bear.

[sojourner]

45. yeah...only he meant, "taken care of" -- you know, protected and

nurtured and cared for.........

[Wilms]

6. To me, that sounds like a "limited hangout".

I'm having a hard time believing that they thought they'd get much out of discrediting Wilson.

I think Plame, herself, may have been the target so that Brewster Jennings work could be disrupted.

But I'm totally guessing.

[Stephanie]

7. Rove's motives may have been different than the neocons

But it would take a mind like Rove's to suggest blowing a CIA agent's cover, don't you think? And at that point the neocons probably decided it served their purposes quite well.

[Wilms]

9. re: "Rove's motives may have been different than the neocons"

I like that as worthy of exploration.

[hang a left]

19. And they probably set him up to decide to do it.

They know Karl is the go to guy for political dirty tricks. I bet Cheney just KNEW he would come up with the idea.

[EFerrari]

22. Yes. His is motiveless malignancy -- winning at any cost.

Short sighted. Theirs are different goals, dominance but also strangely, profit -- as if they need more gelt. As if it can make them immortal. Equally short sighted.

[H2O Man]

40. It sounds like

this source is pointing a finger at Rove. A couple thoughts: first, we can expect sources that are closer to Cheney-Libby to stress Rove's role. And, indeed, there is no doubt that of this group, Rove would be the one who would try to show his talent for manipulating the media. Yet we know that Rove would not have known about Valerie Plame without Cheney-Libby telling him that Wilson's wife was CIA. In doing that, within the context of WHIG meetings geared towards "responding" to the threat of Joseph Wilson, Cheney-Libby KNEW Rove would put forward a plan to manipulate the press.

Rove is certainly guilty of the crimes that are being associated with him on this thread. But do not overlook the fact that Cheney-Libby were exploiting Rove, in a very real sense. They knew the danger that Plame and BJ posed.

[Stephanie]

49. Can't we file a RICO case against the WHIG?

They engaged in a criminal conspiracy to defraud US.

[H2O Man]

50. Who do you

mean by "we" ("Can't we file ....")?

[Stephanie]

51. You and me, man.

And the rest of DU and everyone whose tax money went to this illegal war and the soldiers who were killed and maimed and everyone whose trust was betrayed when the President deliberately lied to us.

[H2O Man]

58. I believe that

is a criminal charge. We can't make criminal charges. We can lobby for the appropriate legal entity to; in this case, it would be the Attorney General. Since Mr. Fitzgerald is investigating, that is where it stands.

Citizens can file civil cases. I think that we should be moving in that direction. The suit filed by the ACLU is a wonderful example. I am a bit more fond of the Center for Constitutional Rights myself; they have also filed a suit. I would be surprised, for example, if a significant number of DU participants haven't been examined by a federal agency (though not likely the NSA). I think it would be worth people's consideration.

[yardwork]

11. I think so, too. The Saudis needed that project shut down

I've always believed that the simple answer is the most correct - the White House outed Plame to stop her work.

They used Wilson as a cover.

[annabanana]

16. you have a lot of company here. . . . .eom

[cascadiance]

39. I think Brewster Jennings was the real issue they were trying to avoid...

... dealing with!

Mark my words. The one thing in common between both Bush's impeachment and Clinton's impeachment in the future will that both will be done out of incidents surrounding BJ's!

[wishlist]

8. But doesn't explain need to blow her cover, why not just 'discredit' him?

This still doesn't make sense though that rather than simply attacking his credibility by labeling him as a partisan anti-war Democrat, they felt the need to expose her covert CIA role.

[Imagevision]

10. Well, Rove is the Top Advisor to the White House

[havocmom]

13. Rove did it cuz he fell into Cheney's trap

and did his dirty work for him under a delusion that he was really hurting Wilson.

What got hurt was our ability to keep an eye on movement of some bad shit. That made the world safer for terrorists and more profitable for Cheney's pals.

Rove, in the game you were playing with Dick, you look to be losing. Hope you have some good stuff on him to offer up for your ass.

[hang a left]

21. havocmom,

that was exactly my thought as well. They know how the scumbag thinks.

[Kansas Wyatt]

43. Could that be the reason for the Rove vs Cheney feud?

Rove got caught doing Cheney's dirty work, and Cheney told Rove to just go fuck himself.

[havocmom]

44. It would make sense. Rove loves to think he's the sharpest kid in class

and Cheney is one mean, sly bastard. Seems likely he is a tad pissed about Scooter getting indicted too.

There is a chess tournament going on. Rove v Cheney, the good guys in national service, spooks who really care v the neocons who are selling the nation out, Frist/DeLay v human values, Gonzales v the rule of law, the people v the corporate media, bush v his addictions, Snotty Scotty v reality, Reid v Congressional Hooligans, Helen Thomas v evil doers in high places... yep there is a lot going on.

The fact that so much shit is hitting the fan at once convinced me the good guy spooks are ahead on points. Rove is NOT as smart as Cheney and is goin down, but he may have something to make the case for major conspiracy. If so, Fitz will be a busy, busy man.

[against all enemies]

14. If true where's the indictment?

[hang a left]

24. It is just some pre-indictment leaking.

We shouldn't have to wait too much longer. Would be wonderful if it was on the afternoon of January 31 hmm?

[against all enemies]

26. I've been pissed off he lied his way out of the first round of indictments

I bet I'm not the only one. Usually Federal Prosecutors get really pissed off when someone plays them for a fool.

[hang a left]

27. I have a suspicion that they may also be trying to cut a deal...

Maybe Rove will wear a wire.

[Stephanie]

29. You know I am sure Bush lied in his deposition.

Because all along he was saying that he didn't know who did it and he wanted to get to the bottom of it. But then that Daily News story came out where Bush was furious with Rove for getting caught. So I bet if he was not involved in the crime he at least participated in the coverup to some extent. Like probably lying about whether he knew who did it.

If Bush turns his back on Rove when Rove goes down, it could turn into the nastiest divorce case in history.

[mod mom]

56. Or better yet, let them gather for the SOTU and have them arrested

and frog marched live on national tv. Ah, now that would be poetic justice!

[EFerrari]

20. This is a goose:

In fact, that's my goose, Dinner.

This is a traitor:

[im10ashus]

23. K&R!

Let's get this on the front page.

:kick:

[baldguy]

25. This is the Treason Administration.

Wilson exposes their lies - so they EXPOSE AN UNDERCOVER CIA OPERATIVE?!?!?! If there had been any real patriot in that room when Rove suggested this course of action he would have told to resign immediately - or gotten his butt kicked.

[ContraBass Black]

30. The man is a political strategist.

Why is he privy to classified information and sitting in on government meetings?

[Halliburton]

31. certainly clears up some things

I find it hilarious that Karl is having trouble sleeping at night because Fitzgerald won't tell him anything about his status.

[Missy Vixen]

36. Pooooor Karl. It must be agony for him.

That mean ol' Patrick Fitzgerald insists that he own up to his bad behavior. How dare he? After all, Mr. Rove is friends with *. Doesn't that make him immune to any kind of consequences? :sarcasm:

In the meantime, Mr. Rove, do you hear foosteps behind you?

Julie
president for life of the PFEB

I woulda' hadda' picture, but sheesh, it's not working for me!

[lovuian]

32. The Man is a liar thief and would sell his soul to

get power and money...

[Armstead]

33. Does Patrick Fitz read TruthOut?

[Halliburton]

42. he knew about Murray Waas' articles

which aren't the easiest articles to find to say the least. he mentioned them in a letter he wrote to scooter's attorney. it's certainly possible that he has read Leopold's articles.

[Patsy Stone]

34. KKKarl in an orange jumpsuit

is my greatest dream.

[goclark]

35. Recall his under the wheels of the plane act

The plane wasn't moving and he was laughing.

That told me how ignornt he is - a frat boys that is one of the most powerful people in the world.

So so sad.

[malaise]

37. I thought they didn't care about polls n/t

[bleever]

38. Look Over There!!! It's Osama!!

We need to destroy the Constitution before he gets his hands on it!

Democrats are stuck in a post-1776 mindset!



Ain't working this time, KKKarl. You've pissed on too many people on your way up. Have a nice trip down.

[Pithy Cherub]

41. Hmmmm, Who in Condi's shoppe is selling out Rove?

A current state department person is the source. All fingers are pointing at Rove - which menas the deal making is hitting fever pitch. Somebody wants it KNOWN that Rove supposedly started it. This is Cheney/Libby vs. Bush/Rove Celebrity Death Match!

[EFerrari]

47. Bush/Rove/Card

where B* is the handicap.

[mod mom]

57. Don't forget Card's recent airplane problems. hmmh...

[Swamp Rat]

48. ChumP

Blood in the water! :D

[npincus]

52. he drives a Porsche?

[Stephanie]

53. yup

When Fitz was about to issue indictments and reporters were staking out Karl's house, there were lots of photos of him in his Porsche.

[mod mom]

54. this sounds like CONSPIRACY to me:

"It was a coordinated effort to turn him into the story."