Kurt Vonnegut & others to launch campaign for the renunciation of war

[Karmadillo]

http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2006-01/03zinn.cfm

After This War
By Howard Zinn

The war against Iraq, the assault on its people, the occupation of its cities, will come to an end, sooner or later. The process has already begun. The first signs of mutiny are appearing in Congress The first editorials calling from withdrawal from Iraq are beginning to appear in the press. The anti-war movement has been growing, slowly but persistently, all over the country.

Public opinion polls now show the country decisively against the war and the Bush administration. The harsh realities have become visible. The troops will have to come home.

And while we work with increased determination to make this happen, should we not think beyond this war? Should we begin to think, even before this shameful war is over, about ending our addiction to massive violence, and using the enormous wealth of our country for human needs? That is, should we begin to speak about ending war - not just this war or that war - but war itself? Perhaps the time has come to bring an end to war, and turn the human race onto a path of health and healing.

A group of internationally known figures, celebrated both for their talent and their dedication to human rights - Gino Strada, Paul Farmer, Kurt Vonnegut, Nadine Gordimer, Eduardo Galeano and others - will soon launch a world-wide campaign to enlist tens of millions of people in a movement for the renunciation of war, hoping to reach the point where governments, facing popular resistance, will find it difficult or impossible to wage war. It may be an idea whose time has come.

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[democrat_patriot]

1. Remember when Vonnegut came out against F911??

Fu** him, and the insane horse he rode in on.

[Karmadillo]

3. I guess I don't remember that. Do you have a link?

Thanks.

[salvorhardin]

4. What are you talking about?

That never happened. Link please?

[dave29]

5. umm, completely false.

And so it goes.

[democrat_patriot]

12. My bad - it was Bradbury - the author of F-451

My sincerest apologies to Mr. Vonnegut.

"Bradbury also called Moore a "horrible human being" in the interview, yet insisted that his anger had nothing to do with Moore's political views."

http://www.nbc6.net/entertainment/3390666/detail.html

[bpilgrim]

6. what?!? Vonnegut is as sharp as he ever was

you must be mistaken him for some-one else.

peace

[Poll_Blind]

7. Are you making that up? I just checked and MM quotes Vonnegut heavily...

...and often on his site. Furthermore, I couldn't find anything disparaging ever said by Vonnegut about Moore's file, Farenheit 9/11.

Well...?

PB

[dbonds]

8. Don't remember that.

I used to watch him on Real Time with Bill Maher and don't recall that at all. He has always been against the Bush admin.

[Tom Joad]

9. You may have the story wrong.

Michael Moore has on his website to Vonnegut's essay on the movie (which really he only touches upon). He does not denigrate the movie.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikeinthenews/index.php?id=129

I Love You, Madame Librarian - by Kurt Vonnegut

by Kurt Vonnegut / In These Times

I, like probably most of you, have seen Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11. Its title is a parody of the title of Ray Bradbury’s great science fiction novel, Fahrenheit 451. This temperature 451° Fahrenheit, is the combustion point, incidentally, of paper, of which books are composed. The hero of Bradbury’s novel is a municipal worker whose job is burning books.

And on the subject of burning books: I want to congratulate librarians, not famous for their physical strength or their powerful political connections or their great wealth, who, all over this country, have staunchly resisted anti-democratic bullies who have tried to remove certain books from their shelves, and have refused to reveal to thought police the names of persons who have checked out those titles.
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Furthermore, it is not known if Kurt even rides horses, and even if he does, why are you insulting the horse? However, if you are going to post here, do not make such accusations against people we respect unless you have some link or info to back it up. So if you have info on Kurt that you think would enlighten us, by all means share it.

[tkmorris]

10. Check this out

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikeinthenews/index.php?id=129

Vonnegut doesn't offer an opinion of the movie per se here, but given that this is hosted on Moore's own site and further that Vonnegut attended the premier I don't think he ever "came out" against it.

I think you owe the man an apology. In fact he's such a hero of mine I feel kinda pissed off that you said such a thing, though I know that's not too rational so I'll just leave it at that.

[Tom Joad]

2. Thank goodness for Howard Zinn and Kurt Vonnegut. Now go out and raise ..

I think that people want peace so much that one of these days government had better get out of their way and let them have it.
Dwight D. Eisenhower (know he certainly did not always follow his own advice, but still a good quote)

The lesson is, don't wait for the politicians to do this for you, go out and raise hell!

[EFerrari]

11. Hell! We will. We are.

Lol! And the Cabal HATES it.

Look at all the time and trouble they take to try to stop us.

Today, The World Can't Wait folks found out their spot at the SOTU had been stolen away. And, they will get it back or get another.

No matter how hard they try, they can't stop us all.


:hi:

[C_U_L8R]

13. I hate to quote Culture Club but...

WAR IS STUPID