jaysunb
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:22 PM
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Clinton ( Bill ) may save the Democrats this Nov. |
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Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 08:24 PM by jaysunb
After watching at least 4 interviews with him over the last week, where his ability to thoughtfully articulate an idea or concept, has shown America what it's leader is supposed to be like. Clinton has defined and disavowed the mishandling of everything Bushco has done these past 6 years, in a calm and rational way. He has captured the mood of the country and distilled our thoughts whether left or right, (wingnuts not included) and presented us with a choice of reasonable solutions on everything from the invasion to the need to fix the I/P problem. People are seeing this and remember what it used to be like. It makes a difference.....
Clinton's re-emergence just before the elections will help solidify peoples opinion of Bush & the rubber stamp Congress. If he finds a reason to stay in the spotlight a little longer, and possibly campaign for some of the more critical seats, he could assure that we'll have a fighting chance to get our country back.
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:24 PM
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1. I pray you are right....because if a change doesn't occur in |
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November...this country is on the verge of something very bad....
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:27 PM
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2. Watching his interview by Keith, |
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he actually made me want to go out and hug a republican!
(I got better)
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:31 PM
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"(I got better)"
Priceless!
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:52 PM
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7. I thought he was hugging a republican during the interview. |
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But that is just my uni-lateral opinion about mr. bush's speech before the UN.
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:28 PM
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A Brand New World
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:34 PM
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5. I know - his heart problems/surgery came at an inopportune time |
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back in 2004. Not that anyone has control over such things. But maybe things would have turned out better if he had been able to campaign for Kerry as much as was needed. Surely everyone, even the most rabid right-winger, can see the intellectual difference between Clinton and **.
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Fri Sep-22-06 08:49 PM
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6. I hadn't thought of that |
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(his health problems in 04) Of course I also wish Gore ( Gore 08 !) had not made the mistake of keeping him out of 2000.
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Fri Sep-22-06 09:06 PM
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8. Clinton WAS out on the publicity tour for his book before heart surgery |
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and he never swat down the charges being leveled at him since 9-11 in all those stupid rightwing books, and that is where ABC got much of its storyline.
Because Clinton didn't address the charges then, the "Dems are weak on terror" meme blew up, and every candidate campaigning in 2002 and 2004 was labeled along with Clinton.
And Clinton could have told the truth during his book tour about some extremely relevant issues that showed Kerry's strengths, yet, instead he chose to ignore Kerry's input at a time when he should have been highlighting it.
On Vietnam normalization efforts that were led by Kerry, Clinton heaped most of his praise on McCain, completely out of all proportion to the contributions and workload that was mostly handled by Kerry. McCain even writes in his book that he could never have gotten through the task without Kerry leading because Kerry kept him from breaking down over the ordeal.
And Clinton also could have mentioned that it was Kerry who crafted the most successful part of the antiterror bill that Clinton signed in 1996 - but Clinton seemed to have a brain freeze about all that - in fact, he never even mentions BCCI once in his entire book. Strange, considering Clinton is a known policy wonk, and HAD to know that some of the same BCCI characters are part of the CIA drugrunning story and again pop up re9-11.
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Fri Sep-22-06 09:39 PM
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9. Let us hope people get that feeling...what it means to be led by a leader. |
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Let's hope they are not so far gone all they hear is "someone wants to kill your family" only... we can hope.
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Sat Sep-23-06 06:47 AM
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10. Assuming that, where would Democrats get such a leader? |
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Do you see anyone Clintonesque among the Big Three? Not even Clinton (Hillary) is Clintonesque. Gore, while a man with decent ideas and a dedication to a cause, talks like he was paid by the word. Kerry is more interested in impressing current Democrats than reaching out to non-Democrats, or making sure the votes for him are fairly counted, for that matter.
The other candidates like Kucinich and Wes Clark...well, they rock their own crowds, all right, but have they rocked anyone else? Have they said anything to knock one of the Big Three out of the running?
We have descended a long way from when Bobby Kennedy, on the night Martin Luther King was killed, stood unprotected on a streetcorner in Watts and spoke to ordinary black people.
I would love to see a leader. I would love to see someone stand up and inspire an entire nation. But the Democratic Party doesn't have such a person, from what I can see. Which means I'll have to be satisfied with whatever limp dishrag the Party nominates, 'cause I sure ain't votin' Republican.
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Sat Sep-23-06 11:52 AM
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13. Clinton is exceptional. But you would think there would be a difference |
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between the leadership qualities of Gore and *. Yes? That was my point.
And only once in a while does any country get a phenomenal leader. Mostly they just have to settle for "decent leadership". Which still puts us miles away from * and his ilk (who don't lead people to better things or greatness..they just try and teach baser instincts so their buddies can get phenomenally rich".
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Sat Sep-23-06 03:52 PM
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14. Howard Dean was that man |
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Note that I cast him in the past tense. The press has done a great job for their masters by destroying him and his message.
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Sat Sep-23-06 06:36 PM
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17. You may hate this...Dean allowed himself to be destroyed. |
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It wasn't the ridicule of the press that destroyed him. If other Democrats had stood up for him when he made his faux pas, he could have continued. But the DLC had chosen their preference in candidates, and willingly sat on their hands while one of theirs needed help.
Did anyone here stand up and say what a raw deal Dean got? Were any of the people who spoke in Dean's defense inside the Party proper?
Given that people who were SUPPOSEDLY on his side stabbed him in the back - as was done to Bill Clinton - what choice did he have but to give up?
That doesn't invalidate all the good work he's done since then. Maybe Dean has built a new Democratic Party that might accept a candidate like he was (or might be again some day). Wouldn't you say that DLC has become a four letter word around here?
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Sat Sep-23-06 04:46 PM
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Sat Sep-23-06 06:41 PM
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18. And who, exactly, killed Bobby Kennedy? It wasn't Republicans. |
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It was, in fact, a Palestinian rebel who hated Israel and America. Someone who was one of the biggest posthumous heroes in the Islamic world.
This was a point made in the recent book "The Good Fight." Too many people, especially people here, think that Bush and his cronies are the only villains in the world. The terrorism threat won't go away when/if Bush is gone. And until the Democrats publicly address what they will do to actually address that threat (which the Repubicans don't and haven't), the general public won't see a reason to trust them.
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Sat Sep-23-06 07:00 AM
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out there campaigning as elections get closer.We desperately need him.God,I miss that guy!
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Sat Sep-23-06 07:06 AM
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12. Clinton has an amazing ability to talk to both sides a true great leader |
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Clinton ' On my gravestone I would probably have written he loved his friedns, his family and his country'
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Sat Sep-23-06 04:49 PM
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I maintain, as I have said for the past four years, that Bill Clinton would win the presidency back today if he could run.
Even the backwash will see him and think, wow, that's what a leader sounds like. Because, you know, he can speak English and all.
I am glad he is finally showing some anger and self-defense, too.
In fact, it's damn near brilliant that he's waited so long to come out with these statements. If he'd been going around for the past few years saying it, it would no longer have an impact.
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Sat Sep-23-06 07:16 PM
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I'd forgotten what it's like to have an intelligent, moral and well=spoken leader. Remember when the whole country was in those hands?
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