NBC's To Catch a Predator. Sex with underage girls

[wiley]

Okay. This is the most disturbing thing I have ever seen on TV for so many reasons I'm shaking. Is it all these guys who knowingly attempt to rape or have sex with 14 and 15 year old girls? Is it watching otherwise average intelligence guys walk into a situation knowing that they will get arrested but they still go like dogs that need to be hosed down or locked up to keep them from a bitch in heat. Is it the allure of the fact that they might actually get over on some young girl and get away with it?

[MissB]

1. Pedophiles should be locked up.

For how long? Dunno. Rehab apparently doesn't work too well.

[JI7]

34. these guys are not pedophiles

they go after girls who are underage but in their teens. i think there is a different charge for pedophilia. but they are considered sexual offenders and are charged with statutory rape i think.

but in this case they don't go far enough to actual have sex so i'm not sure where the law fits into this. how many of these guys can be rapists who would force themselves onto the girls even if she said no. how many of them would have left and not forced her to do anything if she refused.

[meow2u3]

2. How many of these pedos are Republicans?

Close to 90%, methinks

[ikojo]

9. How many of them are in the clergy or other

helping professions?

[Sydnie]

3. the really perplexing part is

so many of these guys have seen Dateline do this before and are even mentioning it in their chats with the decoys. They know what they are doing and they know the possible stakes, yet, they do it anyway. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[greenbriar]

4. I made my 14 year old daughter and her friend watch it

they are pretty freaked out right about now...



That is what i wanted

[derby378]

6. I appreciate you looking out for your daughter, but I have to say...

...all this series does is put a Band-Aid on a sucking chest wound.

Here's my take. Yes, you've got these guys on-line chatting with who they think are adolescent or young teenage girls. They show up at a rendezvous point and are greeted by a real live girl who lures them into the kitchen where Chris Hansen of Dateline is waiting to read their chat logs back to them and humiliate them before all of America - and that's before the cops swarm on the accused in the front yard.

I dunno. If someone is actually trying to rape or molest a child, sure, throw them behind bars. But this is also the nation where Jerry Lee Lewis legally married a 13-year-old girl. And in this nation, our children are under increasing pressure to grow up too fast, to dress older than they really are. Abercrombie & Fitch, IIRC, even debated the idea of marketing thong panties to adolescent girls. Like they don't have nearly enough to be self-conscious about to begin with.

Our nation is in sad shape. But putting all the blame on the would-be molesters isn't good enough. What we need is a culture that stops trying to redefine our little girls as Lolitas in training, just begging for an adult male to educate them in matters sexual. Where to start, I don't know. But if we can't figure it out, then Dateline will continue its descent into sheap tabloid pablum where those who are - in the eyes of the law - "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" are humiliated in front of the unblinking eye for our entertainment.

[BrightBlueDot]

10. Thank you.

A few months ago, I saw a girl who was 14 years old AT MOST walking through the mall wearing skin-tight short-shorts, and thong panties (I could see most of her ass), and a very tight midriff-baring shirt that said across her breasts, "Want my cherry?" with a cherry next to it.

EVERY head in the food court turned. Are the guys who were ogling her pedophiles? No. They're males. It's evolution. We live in a culture where little girls are hyper-sexualized, and that IS part of the problem. It doesn't excuse actual sex with children, but no one at NBC is catching people doing that. They're "catching" men who live in a culture with hypersexualized little girls having sexual conversations with what they believe to be little girls. Despicable, but not shocking. Not in this culture.

Edited for clarity

[derby378]

16. You are so welcome...

And - damn. The example you just gave is exactly what I'm talking about. Thirty years ago, had her parents found out she was in public like that, she'd be grounded until she was old enough to run for President.

[Goblinmonger]

17. Did you go have sex with her?

Did you try to have sex with her?

That's the difference. These guys on dateline are the guys that are luring young girls and taking advantage of their immaturity to get their perverse rocks off.

I see the difference. I think most people do.

[BrightBlueDot]

20. Suppose that a guy in the food court had attempted to bed her.

Would her parents (or whoever let her out of the house like that) bear NO responsibility whatsoever??

I'm not saying that SHE would have been "asking for it." Neither am I asking to be robbed if I leave my door unlocked.

I lock it anyway.

[Goblinmonger]

23. No they wouldn't.

Do they seem to have problems setting boundaries with their child? Most likely. Perhaps said daughter left with the sexy outfit on under a sweatsuit and the parents have no idea. Granted, they should, but sometimes kids are just stupid bundles of walking hormones.

Even if she is sexy, an adult (legal definition) male that attempts to have sex with a 14 year old (even if nature makes her an "adult") is wrong. Same is true if you reverse the genders.

[BrightBlueDot]

24. I didn't say he wouldn't be wrong.

He is not solely at fault, however. A culture in which it's acceptable for a 14 year old girl to dress that way is a culture that is asinine if it doesn't expect men to respond to them in a sexualized manner.

An if the girl is a 'stupid bundle of walking hormones' and as such is dressing that way in public to gain male attention, does she bear no responsibility when (surprise) she is on the receiving end of sexualized male attention? No? When, then? At 15? Two days before she turns 18? Two days after? Does it happen at midnight on her birthday?

I'm not saying that the guys in the food court going after her would be excusable; not at all. I'm just saying it's understandable.

[Goblinmonger]

29. And how is that attitude any different

from the "women need to take some of the blame for rape for dressing all sexy" attitudes.

[Keepontruking]

32. Pendulum theory

Hey we all had our thing as teens....I wore mini skirts that
barely covered my butt in the 60's,Was it sexual? No. It was
the peer pressure thing to do to be cool!!!!!!!!!!!!  We all
had our thing.It is just more hard core than before...do I
agree with midriff and thongs and mini's NO ....but I am an
adult now not a crazy teen...Like psych taught us it is the
only time you have a license to be insane...adults are suppose
to be responsible. The Peter Pan theory over
with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  So pedophiles should be locked up
forever in my book!!!!
Circus Girl

[Iris]

22. "Despicable, but not shocking. Not in this culture."

Yep. the other day I was at my parents and the tail end of a Dr. Phil show was on. I didn't any of it just heard the end part where a guy blamed "marketing" for his attraction to an 18 year old girl. I'm not sure how old he was and I know 18 is legal but the point is this relationship was deeply flawed because of the age difference (again, from what I gathered) and this guy just said "advertising and the media market young girls to us and it's what we're told we should want and here she is and she's gorgeous. . ."

To add to my disturbance, I caught the end of a morning radio show geared toward 20-somethings where the djs were explaining that women eventually set an ultimatum for a marriage proposal when they're in a relationship because if things aren't going to work out, they have to move on before their "window of hotness" closes and they are doomed to being single for the rest of their lives.

Despicable. You bet.

[fishwax]

25. well, they do more than simply having sexual conversations

they're showing up at the house, often bringing alcohol or condoms.

[ikojo]

15. Elvis Presley began dating Priscilla while she was

still in high school. I'll bet they had sex way before she was 18 and he was definitely over 18.

[Imagevision]

Predator swat teams should be in every city because of the success rate

[tenshi816]

35. It doesn't help

that the modelling industry uses 14 and 15-year old girls, dressing them up in provocative clothes and heavy make-up and presenting them as adults. Many of the models we see in magazines aren't women, they're girls made up to look like women, and young girls see this as something to aspire to.

[Quakerfriend]

7. Good job! ...It's very hard to show children about how the

real world really is sometimes.

[ShortnFiery]

5. In another thread I tried, albeit unsuccessfully to convey that ...

these Sexual Predators are out in Our Neighborhoods. :scared: I also tried to convey that adults need to be respectful of the law and not seduce anyone under the age of 18. That's because of these type sexual predators. Because children are not far enough in their development to provide what is termed "informed consent," it's criminal to act on your sexual attraction to someone under the age of 18.

It's often an illness and an obsession that incurable. The best that the law enforcement people can do is inform the public the location of these criminals and make sure they do NOT work around juveniles again.

Also, because people RARELY are cured of this illness, there are Sexual Predator Databases.

Click on the link below and enter your Zip Code. Be prepared to be shocked. Most of us can't envision the depraved actions that have been done/attempted on our youth. :grr:

http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/?engine=adwords!3475&keyword=%2Apredators%2A&match_type=

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. Wow! What information!

Who would have ever guessed that there were sexual predators in our neighborhoods! It's practically a hidden subject, what with eight shows a day talking about it, some news guy reading a story about Internet predators twice a week, pamphlets damn near everywhere, bus advertisements, radio ads, fictional television shows using the topic for special issues, and every third cop drama devoted to it! We NEVER hear about this sort of thing, you know? Glad you're out there spreading the word...

:eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

19. Thank-you

Found another site that will open your eyes.

Map the Sex Offenders in Your Neighborhood: :scared:

http://www.mapsexoffenders.com/

Those of us with school age and junior high children WANT to be aware of sexual predators residing within our neighborhoods.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. There are monsters out there to be sure

But that doesn't make the desire to be terrified any less disturbing, and that's what you've got. Whether it is a pathology in its own right, I'll leave to the professionals.

[wiley]

31. Um, but what about the Parents, relatives, family friends...

It's way more likely that children are molested sexually by one of their parents or a family friend or uncle or cousin. We appear to be way more in danger of those entrusted to protect us than strangers. I don't say that as a sexually abused child, but as someone who has dealt with having to ask judges to order a parent or relative no physical contact or contact at all with their children. Having treated some of the injuries of sexual molestation - some of which has clearly been ongoing from an early age - I often want to protect vulnerable children by caging the father indefinitely.

I'm very unclear of the efficacy of sexual offender databases. The rich, well connected, and those with young children often find a way out of them. I'm not sure they actually serve any real purpose but to assuage a worried parent, or society that is just not able or willing to attack the issue head on - and yes, take responsibility for not just birthing but teaching their kids that sex can be a wonderful exchange between two people who respect each other and who aren't biologically related, but often rape or sexual abuse when any dishonesty is involved.

[rocktivity]

8. This has turned into a cottage industry for NBC.

They've done at least half a dozen of these shows. I thought they were the result of several months of filming. But when America's Most Wanted showed something similar, they said they attracted more then TWENTY guys in ONE DAY!!!

rocknation
:wow:

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. I wonder who are the bigger perverts some times

The sickos they catch on the show, or the sicko audience giving the show such high ratings that it is on every two weeks for fucking two years.

Hard to weigh that one.

[Guaranteed]

18. It's the audience sitting at home jacking off to it

that's sick.

[ovidsen]

11. Painful to watch

I haven't been watching tonight, but I caught an excerpt while channel surfing a few nights ago. The lust these stalkers have for underage girls is only surpassed by their absolute stupidity.

In the one "sting" I watched, the perp not only admitted watching past "Dateline" shows featuring fellow pervs who were "entrapped", he even recognized the reporter before the reporter IDed himself... and SAID so. How dumb is that? And then (if I heard correctly) the host said they'd recently nailed a perv in a sting... who'd been nailed in a sting by the exact same people just a few weeks earlier! I'd like to think I was hallucinating, but I don't think so.

But NBC and MSNBC have been running these shows for at least a year, and they seem to have no trouble attracting men who cannot resist obvious jailbait. I am absolutely at a loss to explain their idiotic absence of both basic morality and common sense. Stunned I am. Completely stunned.

[mitchum]

13. They waited until "Frasier" was off the air before running this piece

NBC moneymaker Kelsey Grammar had that those compromising phone calls several years back

[leesa]

26. Ahh..Americans love this shit! Seems like every other show is some

expose of pedophilia of some form or another.

[seabeyond]

27. i swear this show feeds to the guys that would otherwise not

participate in this. i swear this is exciting men that would not dare. it wets the appetite, creates the interest and they start exploring and playing it. i oppose this show in all aspects. i think it is the dredge of who our society is and to use it as entertainment is its own perversion

[U4ikLefty]

28. WAIT...but what if one of the suspects was HOT?!?

I mean maybe the decoy said they "wanted it". That would make it okay, right?!?

...or is that only an acceptible excuse for a "hot female teacher"?

[wiley]

30. I get your point.

I also think that these guys are also victims of a culture that exploits men to be the consumers/participants in this crap. But it still doesn't excuse the fact that given what they think appears to be an easy pass, they set it up in a systematic manner like stalking and tracking prey. Hunting humans of whatever age is criminal, right?

And what are they trying to capture? Do they want to put these girls in cages or underground boxes so they can have their seven (or one) minute of sexual release on an ongoing basis. Or is it cherry hunting for bragging rights? Who would they brag to? Other online hunters, or regular guys who talk about the dangerous and rewarding results of the ultimate male conquest? Do they snicker and whistle and wink and say watch out to each other in a congratulatory tone?

Are 14 and 15 year old guys going after these girls as well? Or do they follow "accepted" rules of interaction for their age group. Do parents accept that as normal, even when we all know that girls get "taken advantage of" just as easily by snarky teenage boys.

And I'd rather that these guys were at home masturbating instead of actually hooking up with anyone in person.


Who says that they haven't caught "hot" guys, but just don't show those clips. This is a highly edited piece designed for entertainment. You know how guys say that they don't really look at another (goodlooking and or well endowed) guy having sex with a woman in porn CDs, etc? Maybe NBC is making sure they hit their targeted demographic.

Like I said, this thing is so disturbing for so many reasons. Does it make politicians who get caught doing this less outrageous. What happens if a 14 year old boy rapes a 32 year old woman?

[JI7]

33. i think they feel they have some power over younger girls

and i don't mean in a physical sense. in fact many of these guys "looked" like they would not have forced themselves on the girls physically. of course this is just going by appearance and behavior on the few moments on tv.

but the thing with buying alcohol, boots etc. things that younger girls couldn't get so easily as women of legal age could. they see themselves as being able to "buy" off the younger girls.

going into the attractiveness of the guys in this, it could be they can't so easily meet women in person so they focus on internet and try to "buy" the girls with the above mentioned things.

guys who are attractive can probably meet many women including underage ones in person and have sex with them and never face the law. this probably happens a lot in clubs and bars where girls use fake ids.

[fat dad]

36. How soon before Hoomeland Security ...

...uses this as an excuse to start to censor, regulate, and sell the internets to the big networks so they can "protect the children" from pedophiles?

You're 'either for censoring the web, or your for the pedophiles'. And, hey, if you're not a pedophile, haven't got anything to worry about with web censorship and corporate regulation. Right?

It's coming.

[pinniped]

37. I saw that show.

There are waaay too many sickos in this country.

Did you see that sicko who was walking around the house without his clothes?