My reply to a Republican who says her brother serves in the armed forces

[liberaldemocrat7]

as if that means that she can say her Republican talking points with more authority. Oh yeah right.


Yeah yeah Yeah, MY FATHER FOUGHT FOR MY FREEDOM
Body: Hello

My father fought for my freedom over 50 years ago in Italy when our REAL President FDR who got elected 4 times had our men and women fight a real war against real dictators and not some trumped up invasion based upon lies.

Besides, no soldier who votes Republican fights for my freedom. Your brother fights for people to slave at $5.15 an hour which has the buying power of $3 an hour. That's Chinese wages.

Your brother fights for unsafe working conditions, unsafe medicines like VIOXX, company Crooks like the late Kenneth Lay a friend of the CHIMP George W Bush.

Now, you appear dismissed and do not darken my door again!




----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Betsi
Date: Sep 22, 2006 8:25 AM


Your "demands" to end the war in Iraq are selfish and proposterous! My brother is in the United States Air Force and is proud to be serving his country...if the war is abruptly ended, all of the men and women who lost their lives to serve this country will have died for nothing. If we leave Iraq in chaos and turmoil, their lives were meaningless, and believe me that is not the message we want to send to the families of these brave people. Get your head in the game...this war is not about politics anymore, it is about staying the course and finishiing what we started so we can honor those who paid the highest price. I didn't see anywhere on your space where you signed up to fight for your country. Everyone who wants to back out now are just like you....cowards. Boycott all you want, your statement will be heard loud and clear...cowards!

[razors edge]

1. Incredible stupidity

if the war is abruptly ended, all of the men and women who lost their lives to serve this country will have died for nothing. If we leave Iraq in chaos and turmoil, their lives were meaningless, and believe me that is not the message we want to send to the families of these brave people.



Since these families may have to focus on something real, like why we went there in the first place, then they won't support the facism anymore and we will have none of that around here you see.

tell her the stone age didn't stop because we ran out of stones. I read that recently, I think it was BClinton.

[Cassandra]

12. Actually, that was Gore's line...

not Clinton's.

[razors edge]

13. equally as intelligent a person.. n/t

[Cassandra]

16. Indeed.

I miss having a president who can actually speak in English, in whole sentences.

[tanyev]

17. Well, I wouldn't say it to the family of a soldier who was killed,

but I think they did all die for nothing. George Bush sent them there to fight for his delusional lies, and the families of the dead and wounded should be furious with him.

[blue cat]

2. My advise to you is

to let it go with this particular friend. I work in the same room as a woman who has a son in Iraq now, and I just don't talk about the war around her. She never talks about it either. I worry that her son may not come back the same, so you never know what they might think in the future.

[liberaldemocrat7]

3. She's not a friend. I have a web page and she sent me mail.

No this has nothing to do with any long friendship. She saw the web page that I have listed in my signature and wrote.

[blue cat]

9. OK

If not a friend and just online, then by all means, debate it. My co-worker's son suffered some minor burns from an explosion in Iraq, and I felt so bad for them.

[CarbonDate]

4. Whatever.

I'm in the Air Force, too. My very Republican (although decreasingly so) twin brother knows better than to use the "support the troops" argument, though. Especially since my younger brother (who is in the Navy), my father (Navy vet) and I all voted for Kerry. In fact, I'm not even 100% certain that my twin brother voted for Bush. He's very quiet about it. If he did, he's the only one in my immediate family.

[liberaldemocrat7]

6. I use both points to refute their support the troops.

1. I tell them about my father who served in WWII.

2. I tell them no soldier who fights over there should ruin it over here by voting for people who support slave wages, unsafe products, unsafe working conditions, cutting social programs and enabling and encouraging poor business practices and such soldiers do not fight for me of my freedom.

I marvel at the freedoms republicans say they have in america.

Their freedoms mean

freedom to cheat working people out of a decent wage

freedom to suppress votes

freedom to have business make unsafe products in unsafe working conditions

freedom to praise the symbols but not the symbolized by those symbols

freedom to shove their religion in other people's faces

etc.

[ClintonTyree]

5. So let's send MORE soldiers off to die..........

so the ones who died before wouldn't have died in vain. It's logic like that that keeps Republicans in office. This woman obviously thinks there's going to be an end to this war in Iraq. It's quite plain that she knows nothing about the history of the region. I wonder how she'll feel 10 years from now when we're still sending our young men and women off to their deaths for no good reason other than, "so the others wouldn't have died in vain". :eyes:

Typical "group-think" mentality. :puke:

[liberaldemocrat7]

11. George W Bush: Lyndon Johnson without the Great Society Social programs.

I opposed Johnson's escalation of the War in Vietnam but at least historians and I praise Johnson's committment to civil rights and helping the poor and the less fortunate. Johnson even lamented that the South will someday vote Republican for what he did. Johnson did not hesitate to enact the legislation though and he deserves great credit.

The historians will view the chimpenfuhrer as a useless waste of a pResident who catered to unreconstructed confederates, exploiters of workers, racists and unscrupulous business people.

I sometimes say that acutally the Confederacy did win the war. Look who has served as president since John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson.

Mostly moderates and conservatives from the South and Southwest.

[cornermouse]

7. Have you ever wondered how much of this is spam

generated and paid for by the republicans and circulated in the hopes of directly reinforcing a particular point of view?

[NeoConsSuck]

8. Circular Logic

We start a war that we never should have started. If any of 'our side' dies in that war, then we can't leave because we would be dishonoring them. So we have to continue to fight in a war that we never should have started in the first place.

Man, my head gets dizzy trying to follow their arguments.

[blue cat]

10. You are right

Great arguement.

[mymomwasright]

14. No convincing those with blind faith..

When these people see that their logic is flawed they use hate talk and insults to back their arguments. I hear more complaints from Marines these days. They know they've been duped.

[Vinca]

15. My favorite right wing reason for "staying the course:"

the soldiers who died will have died in vain. Uh huh. So let's keep the rest of them there so more can die in vain. Time for Betsi to enlist.

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. She lost me at "stay the course" well actually way before that, but

the phrase just set me off. I hate it almost as much as I hate "Septembertheeleventh" and "everything changed after 9/11" Can't these idiots think for themselves? Their weak attempts to justify the illegal Iraq invasion/occupation, fall on deaf ears when resorting to those catch phrases.