Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why Bush likes torture. (an observant theory)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 11:43 AM
Original message
Why Bush likes torture. (an observant theory)
First of all, Bush obviously divides all people into the "With us/Against us" camps. And if you are not totally with him, you are against him, so anything goes.

Secondly, the fact that torture doesn't yield the truth makes absolutely no difference to him. Torture will cause people to say what you want them to say. To Bush, this is *better* than the truth, because he can use the "information obtained" to support his position and increase his power. Bad news coming out? Okay, torture some prisoner until we gain "credible evidence" to raise the threat level and capture the headlines. It puts terror in the headlines on demand.

He did *exactly* the same thing with the intelligence going into Iraq. He only accepts the "information obtained" that supports his decision.

He did *exactly* the same thing on global warming. 99 out of 100 scientists would say that global warming is a reality. Guess which one out of the 100 Bush chose to deem as the foremost expert?

He did *exactly* the same thing on the issue of torture itself. 999 out of 1000 legal experts would tell you it is illegal banned. But if you can find one old-friend, partisan lawyer who you can pay to say it is legal as long as it stops before permanent organ damage, guess what? Bush claims it has been deemed legal.

He did *exactly* the same thing with his illegal wiretapping. Clear it with some political hack partners in crimes and it has been determined legal. Don't bother asking the courts. Any old lawyer or Republican congressional leader was enough for Bush to claim a thousand times over that it has been "looked at" and it is perfectly within the law.

Bremmer and Tenet and Franks getting Medals of Freedom? Not for being right, but for giving Bush the stories he needed to tell to support his position and increase his power.

Bush and the Republicans know, as every dictator and oppressive regime through history knew, that TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER. All you need is fodder to support your position. If you "catapult" enough of that propaganda, you will get your way. If you add the number of people who know better than to believe you, but will say that they do because it also supports their position and power, to the number of people who will believe the "facts" that they hear the most and the loudest, you will get enough support. Every Republican in congress knows that torture is wrong. But the incredible power of controlling the debate at the tilt of a waterboard causes them to claim exactly the opposite.

Torture gives Bush the button that he can push at any time to shape the "reality" he needs to create. It will not stop.
He and the Republicans need that to stay in power.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 11:53 AM
Response to Original message
1. Torture is the perfect tool for ANY psychopath............
what a perfect way to get ANYBODY to say or do what the psychopath desires.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 11:56 AM
Response to Original message
2. It reminds me of descriptions of serial killers
Difficulty in relating to the feelings of others, narcissistic attitude, inability to empathize...we've all seen it from him. Arguably, he is a serial killer. And the leader of the US.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:01 PM
Response to Original message
3. I think he will probably forbid the breaking of arms and hands
because it would be difficult for the victim to sign a "confession" with his arms in a cast.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
4. I believe
you are *exactly* correct.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Thanks! *Exactly* what I wanted to hear! :-) (n/t)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 12:13 PM
Response to Original message
5. Honestly, I think it's about setting precedent.
It's a chance to assert that the Executive Branch is above the law. They've picked the same sorts of ridiculous fights on other fronts. It seems to be the fight itself that they're most interested in, not the subject being fought over.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 05:15 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC