This is what compromise looks like, (graphic/pic heavy/conscience laden)

[Solly Mack]

This is what compromise looks like.

















A teenaged Iraqi detainee being used for someone's "jollies"








Fix'em up for more abuse, torture, humiliation & cruel and degrading treatment!


These pictures represent just a small part of what is known from one American run prison.
What of the torture we don't know about?
What of the torture going on right now while you're reading this post? What of the torture that will continue?

This is what compromise looks like.
This is what compromise looks like.
This is what compromise looks like.

It can't be said enough.

This is what compromise looks like.





http://www.salon.com/news/abu_ghraib/2006/03/14/introduction/index.html

[Freedom_from_Chains]

1. No, this is compassionate conservatism looks like. n/t

[Solly Mack]

10. that, too

[lonestarnot]

2. and this is how it's done!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1396271232701024595&q=diebold&hl=en

[leftchick]

3. "pulpified" extremities are still allowed...

sick beyond belief....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2205044&mesg_id=2205044

death from torture has been so common and no one ever talks about it. No one in congress for sure.
Thank you Solly. :(

[Solly Mack]

6. If this is what America needs to be safe (torture), then America isn't

worth defending. Such an America has gone beyond the realm of the decent.

Lofy ideas and grand notions of freedom, liberty and justice mean nothing to a country that can condone torture.

We can't be a beacon of hope and the bringers of torture.

[magellan]

31. Solly Mack, you said it all for me in one sentence

"If (torture) is what America needs to be safe, then America isn't worth defending."

Thank you. And heaven help us all.

[leftchick]

44. for me as well

I am so very ashamed of this country and our so called democratic leaders. Thank you again Solly, for showing us all the reality of america's horror.

:puke:

[Solly Mack]

46. It breaks my heart to feel that way

I don't believe in America anymore.

I know how bad that sounds. I still believe in the ideas behind America but the reality that is America has alienated me. I want to believe. I want...I need...to believe America can change

I'm ashamed to admit that I still have hope. I feel like a fool for having hope.

I hate feeling like a fool.

Oh damn, now I'm crying

[elehhhhna]

15. anything short of organ failure.

[Bucky]

4. But to be fair let's at least admit that they're better off without Saddam

Don't you know that showing the truth weakens America? Doesn't the very fact that these abuses got reported show that the system works? You can't let a few bad apples...

[Solly Mack]

5. Oh, I know! I'm such a horrible person

I love what you said!!!!

[fasttense]

7. Why are they into such sexually perverted torture?

Why is their torture so full of homo-eroticism and sexual abuse? These republicans are real perverts. You don't show the videos of little boys and girls being raped and screaming. There is even worse sexual torture than your pictures show. Bunch of sick, sick neocons.

[Solly Mack]

8. Yes, there's worse and I provide a link to more

But then that's the point...there's more.....there's worse

Rape and other forms of sexual assault are considered a war tactic ( and a war crime - but that changes under the detainee compromise - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2204354&mesg_id=2204466)...a war tactic because such acts are meant to break the victim through degradation and humiliation. That's the why.

And how sick is that?


There are articles on line addressing it...and there's one in my journal as well.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Solly%20Mack/41

[Solly Mack]

9. I'd say kick but in light of the topic....nudge

[wtmusic]

11. Need to fax these to McCain

Here's what compromise looks like, in case you forgot.

[Solly Mack]

13. Members of Congress saw these pictures and so much more

and next week they still plan to vote on the level of torture "acceptable"

[MelissaB]

20. What if we faxed these to all representatives with "compromise"

written on it? Bad taste or effective?

[stillcool]

12. remember Fallujah...

I'm sure Dahr Jamail's still got pics... war crime extraordinaire..
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/index.php

[elehhhhna]

14. AND THOSE ARE THE CLEAN PICS. There were CHILDREN there, too.

[Solly Mack]

16. exactly....there is more and they are worse

[elehhhhna]

17. AND Where TF ARE THEY? I want audio & video BLASTED into

Congress fucking day and night. Doing THAT would have been considered torture in the old US.,

[Solly Mack]

18. They won't release them

:(

[elehhhhna]

19. then we need to fake audio and PLAY IT ON THE FUCKING HILL

[upi402]

35. Yeah, PLAY IT! I feel like getting PA speakers for my car

and turn laps around the fed bldg

[MissWaverly]

21. I saw sketches from a German poster

where the GIs had beaten an eight year girl at Abu Ghraib who they had forced to undress, how can this be justified, it had nothing to do with information, it had everything to do with oppression.

[Solly Mack]

22. Precisely. This has nothing to do with protecting America

This is about oppression

You kill/torture one (or more) to terrorize the rest...and terrorizing people is nothing but oppression...control

[MissWaverly]

23. The sad thing this was never the answer

if we had did what he said we were going to do and liberated the Iraqis, we would have
marched home long ago with world approval.

[Solly Mack]

24. If Bush was a man of integrity....if only

[MissWaverly]

25. Yes, but at least we can hope for justice

[countryjake]

26. OMG, Solly, thanks for posting these reminders of the true evil...

we are up against! (and I don't even believe in evil...this was organized and ordered, a systemic policy of torture and destruction by the imperialist nation we are!

This country is a disgrace to humanity and no matter how we try to distance our personal selves from being associated with such horrific acts, all of that blood is on our hands, also.

Remaining silent does not wash it away!

[Solly Mack]

27. I agree. We've all been tainted by this

Whether we accept that or not. Bush didn't just happen..and neither have any of his actions.

A couple more links to look at

Are we really so fearful (examines what you just said)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2204580&mesg_id=2204580

This one is about how the "compromise" was negotiated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2200575&mesg_id=2200575

[Disturbed]

28. Abuse, Humilation and Torture are all methods of

Subjagation. Under the Geneva Conventions these methods are deemed War Crimes. They are the acts of Terrorists.

[Solly Mack]

29. I agree

[Straight Shooter]

30. Solly Mack.

You never stop fighting for justice, do you?

:patriot:

[Solly Mack]

32. Thank you for that

:blush:

[tinfoil tiaras]

33. Holy shit

I am shaking now from seeing those. Very powerful. There are some sick fuckers out there that belive in this shit...and they're in charge of the government. :scared:

[upi402]

34. ...and we have NO opposition party to stand against our evildoers

We have grown accustomed to tucking nuts and clucking. Then the Repukes attack us for being wishy washy weaklings, and we remain cowed.

Democrats need to stand the F*** UP!
Say simple, targeted words.
And use the word REPUBLICAN when they give the bastards an elbow to the fuckin teeth.

[countryjake]

36. One more kick, lest we forget

[KaptBunnyPants]

37. How dare you expect our leaders to stand up for human rights?

And during an election cycle! You know how much the American people hate principled stands. Fox news said so!

[Solly Mack]

42. I admit it - I do expect them to stand up for human rights

They're selling people lies about what America is about if they don't

[NMMNG]

38. The fundies love to claim Muslims are violent, barbaric, etc.

I wonder what they would describe this as?

[Solly Mack]

41. "Frat pranks"

:(

[NMMNG]

59. I suppose when their Commander in Chief is a drunken frat boy,

that's what they would call them. :eyes:

[Solly Mack]

60. Exactly. That's what they called them when the pictures first broke

:(

[NMMNG]

63. It is sad

Say "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas" and the RWers will be screaming as if an infant was eviscerated, yet stuff like this is passed off as college antics. :cry:

[Solly Mack]

64. I know! Completely insane response

Happy Holidays bad...torture...good

[BelgianMadCow]

65. Kick

that's what a coworker told me once. I had to gasp for breath and don't work there anymore :-)

[katinmn]

39. Sit-ins at their offices - Repubs & Dems alike

Mail/fax them to your reps and senators offices and homes.

[katinmn]

40. GET OFF YOUR ASS. FILIBUSTER DELEGATIONS NOW!!! (dkos diary)

Kossak proposes delegations to visit senate offices.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/9/23/0058/83112

by dirkster42
Fri Sep 22, 2006 at 09:00:58 PM PDT
No more handwringing and despair. Let's go crash some gates in the form of offices. This torture crap calls for IMMEDIATE ACTION.

Every Kossack needs to start organizing DKos delegations to their senator's offices now. I'm in the San Francisco area, so you can just respond to this message if you want to visit Feinstein's and Boxer's offices. I'll also put 50 comments out for each state so you can connect that way.

[Solly Mack]

43. Been mailing them since last week

Not the pictures...but letters against this bill...first Bush's proposal, then the counter proposal..and now this so-called "compromise"

They saw the pictures before we did and they saw all of them - including the rapes...and yet they still plan to vote on a bill that allows torture :(

[buddhamama]

45. This is what happens

when we no longer recognize the humanity of others.

[Solly Mack]

48. Yes

This is what happens when people are seen as being easily discarded. When people don't matter. When we discount "others" because they are "different"...when we believe we are better, greater, braver, more free....and "they" are the enemy.

[Hubert Flottz]

47. Reflections of Compassionate Conservatism and family values.

This is what the church people in America are voting for more of, come November!

[DemReadingDU]

49. This is outrageous

and just about every American has not seen these pictures. They haven't a clue to what has been 'compromised' as legal.

[Solly Mack]

55. They need to get a clue then

Because this is our reality

[MannyGoldstein]

50. Don't Worry, The Brave Congressional Democrats Have Got Your Back!

They'll use every tool at their disposal to ensure that Americans retain their basic civil liberties, and that America will live up to its obligations of providing basic human rights to combatants.

(mmmm... Golden Triangle... so shiny...)

[Solly Mack]

51. I prefer saying "shiny keys" to illustrate that

:)

[civildisoBDence]

52. It's easy to support war or torture when they're abstractions

These photos are really tame compared to others I've seen. Thanks for the reminder...

I'm more and more driven to make my statement on April 15 by telling the WH and the IRS, FUCK OFF--I'm not paying one penny in support of this kind of depravity. Get your fucking blood money from the wealthy you gave those unconscienable tax cuts.

Newsprism

[DemReadingDU]

58. these are tame photos from Abu Ghraib?

there are worse?

This can't be America

[Solly Mack]

61. Yes. The tame ones. There are worse at Salon and there are

worse that the government has yet to release

[Solly Mack]

62. Too true. Shameful truth

Unless it's right in their faces, a lot of people just don't give a damn

[BlueStorm]

53. Damn, now I want to call my senators

I just have to find the info on who is voting for this, if anyone can help me I would appreciate it.

This is not acceptable, these pics are only a glimpse into what would happen if this bill is passed. Just only imagine this being American citizens that are being tortured, what if it was you or me, what if it was your sister, brother, or even your mother, what if it was your neighbor, your friend. Would you accept torture then.

This isn't something that has to be "compromised" there is no compromise in torture. None at all.

The pic of the teenage girl really stands out at me, I can't imagine that happening to my oldest niece Alionah. I can't, it hurts me too much to even think of that and this is what Congress is going to vote on?!

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO AMERICA?

BlueStorm

[Solly Mack]

54. Write them all if you can. There's a planned debate on Monday for this

and from there we'll see if they get a vote in before the recess

The text of the bill went up on September 22

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2211621&mesg_id=2211621


Just write them all...let them know there can be no compromise on torture.

[blossomstar]

56. No, these are "FAMILY VALUES".

[Theres-a]

57. This should be everywhere

How can they.