FReeper hypocrisy: Wag the Dog thread from 1998

[chat_noir]

They deleted it, but thank goodness for the Internet Archive

http://web.archive.org/web/20041011160250/http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a530320.htm



Wag The Dog ! Wag the Dog! We are bombing Afganhistan (sic)

8/20

Last time it was Iraq, Now we are bombing Afghanistan and Sudan to deflect attention from Clinton's troubles



To: Wil H
SEE!!!! YOU DUMB A** LIBERALS. NOW HE IS PLACING YOUR PRECIOUS CHILDREN IN HARMS WAY TO SAVE HIS OWN BUTT. HIS GOING TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN. PLEASE GOD HELP US!!!! I AM THE STUPID1 ----- please excuse me for yelling, but now I'm really scared of the lenghts this man is willing to go. I'm a 28 year old man with a beautiful family, may hands are shaking. nothing follows
From: stupid1 () *
08/20/98 14:24:40 EDT


To: All
Please pray for our pilots and sailors and that this does not escacalate. This is so sad. Afgahnistan ought to be our ally.
From: Arthur Wildfire! March ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:01:42 EDT

To: R of Belesme
I think I heard Sudan is another target (CBS)-- did I hear correctly?
Important point: Islamic extremists are Islamic first, very tight knit. I grudgingly respect their unity. This could spill over to many other countries. Our only hope is that the Islamics believe our administration was righteous in what it did. This is a litmus test of Clinton's ability ot handle a diplomatic mess. PLEASE PRAY.
From: Arthur Wildfire! March ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:11:15 EDT


To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Clinton Orders Military Strikes
EDGARTOWN, Mass. (AP) -- President Clinton said today he had ordered U.S. armed forces to strike at ``terrorist facilities'' in Afghanistan and Sudan in retaliation for the embassy bombings in Africa.

Clinton said he ordered the attacks because ``we have compelling information they were planning additional terrorist acts.''

``Today we have struck back,'' the president declared.

The president said the U.S. struck a terrorist base in Afghanistan and a chemical weapons facility in Sudan.

``We have convincing evidence these groups played the key role in the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania,'' Clinton said. ``Terrorists must have no doubt that in the face of their threat, America will protect its citizens.''

Clinton made his remarks before cutting short a family vacation on Martha's Vineyard to return to Washington.
From: donna () *
08/20/98 14:12:16 EDT

To: Arthur Wildfire! March
NO ARTHUR THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!PLEASE ,I CAN'T BELIEVE THE EVIL ONE HAS DONE THIS -OF COURSE ALL MY PRAYERS ARE WITH OUR FORCES-WE ARE NOT READY FOR RELA- IATION-WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS TO STAY ALERT EVERYWHERE !!I KNOW THAT DEVIL HAS DONE THIS TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF MONICA-THEY ARE ALREADY COMPARING THIS ACT TO RONALD REAGAN BOMBING LYBIA-THIS COWARD MAY CAUSE A WAR JUST TO TAKE THE FOCUS OFF OF HIMSELF-MAY GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY AND PROTECT US-WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WHEN THE TERRORISTS BOMBED AND KILLED OUR SERVICEMAN IN SAUDI- THEY ARE SAYING NOW THAT THIS IS NOT AN RESPONSE TO ANY ONE ACT BUT JUST A GENERAL STRIKE ON KNOWN TERRORIST!! UNBELIEVABLE-HE'S DONE IT -I HOPE HARRY THOMASON IS HAPPY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO WORK-TRULY SCARED AND 'DISGUSTED'
From: disgusted inFl ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 14:14:25 EDT

To: donna
This brash act by a brash child-man is a direct threat to the security of every citizen inside our own borders for the people against whom he acted are non-forgiving and have no fear of death.
And, make no mistake, they are here!!!!!!

By the time the helicopter gets back to D.C. we may well be witness to a reprise of 1814.
From: Old Professer (emailname) *
08/20/98 14:17:50 EDT



I'll let the rest of you post your favorite hypocrisies.

[bluestateguy]

1. Good find

Wasn't there supposed to be some congressional hearings in 1998 to "investigate" the "suspicious timing" of these attacks? Di those threats ever materialize?

[malaise]

2. LOL Great stuff

So I see it was OK for them to call Clinton the devil???

[salin]

3. great archived evidence of the sentiment from the Right

that Clinton discussed on the FauxNews attempted-ambush, er, interview. That the revisionist/critics today were the same who didn't want him to do anything at the time - and when he did claimed it was only "Wag the Dog" rather than actual serious national security actions.

[chat_noir]

I'm researching old Google Groups threads

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=%22wagging+the+dog%22+1998&start=0&hl=en&

I figured that if I keyed on 1998 or 1998 posts, I would find contemporaneous accounts of Republicans charging President Clinton with "wagging the dog".

[No Exit]

100. I can tell you definitively that the "wag the dog" idea was all the rage

with the Clinton-haters.

I know, because I was one.:(

I did not have internet at home or office at the time, so I knew little or nothing of freeptard republic.

I do know that we rented the Dustin Hoffman movie "Wag the Dog". And I know that it was repeatedly asserted among all the Clinton-haters that that was what Clinton was doing--especially when the impeachment votes were shown on a split screen with the firing of rockets. (I'll never forget hearing those eerie "calls to prayer" that they have in those Islamic countries.)

I no longer hate Clinton. In fact, I wish fervently that he were president right now.

[chat_noir]

4. ...

dupe

[Spazito]

5. Good find!

I remember when the right-wingers, both in the press and in Congress, were hollering "wag the dog" at Clinton for his actions in Afghanistan, etc.

[me b zola]

6. **cue Randi mimicking rumsfeld**

"Oh Henny Penny, the sky is falling...Henny Penny..." :rofl:

I'm a 28 year old man with a beautiful family, may hands are shaking

Oh, Henny Penny :rofl:

[Spiffarino]

95. That one almost made me fall out of my chair.

You know this guy is out there in Freeperland right now just drooling and slobbering over Bush's little war. But fight in it? You must be joking!

Just another damned Yellow Elephant.

[dogday]

7. Throw it back in their face.... There it is,

straight from their own mouths...

[Gregorian]

8. Thanks for the reminder. I almost forgot how evil Clinton really was.

He almost made the Spanish Inquisition look tame.

Now Bush is a real man. He doesn't target Bin Laden. He targets entire countries. And not even the right ones. There's nothing that sooths the injured soul of a freeper like a swaggering, blind idiot like Bush.

And I am predicting that the next president will be blamed for the economy when it finally shows the results of what this Dork has done to the country.

Raving lunatics.

[Spiffarino]

96. I almost hope a GOPer wins in 2008

Almost.

Whoever gets in is going to have to clean up a lot of elephant shit. It's going to take years to recover, probably many times more than Bush spends in office.

[Mr_Spock]

9. Wow!! That ULTRA-HYPOCRISY!!!

That's a great find. RW morons should be forced to read their words of then versus now.

Lying hypocritical ass holes who now love killing those same Islamists. Amazing.

[eallen]

10. Anyone who has a freeper account should post that link in this thread...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707383/posts

[madrchsod]

62. serbia?

what a dumb fuck...i guess that was clintons fault? no it was george`s daddy who did nothing while thousands were slaughtered .what did clinton do? got the un, nato,and us troops to intervene and how did that turn out?....people are being tried for war crimes,there is peace within the region,and in some countries woman named their babies after clinton and clark. freepers just don`t get it at all.

[Mutley]

91. ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1707383/posts?q=1&&page=156#156

:7

[InternalDialogue]

11. My first thought on reading that was:

"Air strikes at terrorist targets with no ground force invasion or occupation? How quaint."

To read the hysterical reactions to that, in comparison to the hell we've rained on the region in the past five years -- I'm speechless.

[calimary]

79. I guess if they hated the idea of air strikes with no ground force

invasion or occupation, they must have hated Desert Storm and bush's daddy. :eyes:

[NanceGreggs]

12. Hope there are a lot of Freepers here today ...

... checking things out.

If any of them open this thread, you'll know it -- by the unpleasant sound of a head exploding.

[johnfunk]

26. To illustrate your point, Nance...

[Historic NY]

13. Good digging, time to throw it right back at them.....

:applause:

[Old and In the Way]

14. Validates what we have known for years. They are all a bunch of

amoral relativists. They were quite pissed that Clinton had to deal with international terrorism while the Republican House and the media were running their Inquisition. Clinton? 1050 Republican House subpeonas....Bush? 0

[joefree1]

15. This constant Clinton attacking hasn't worked in a dog's age

Everyone, and I mean everyone, is so tired of the same old Rovian tricks. Good fine. I remember repukes saying one thing then and now they're trying to say another thing now.

[chat_noir]

16. better link

To: Wil H

THIS IS REALLY REALLY SCARY!!!

What if Islamic terrorist already pre-positioned in the U.S. start a terror campain? That could be the excuse for the FEMA scenario and he "Clinton, king for life" scenario.
From: A. Patriot (|| |||| | |||||||| ||| |||||||||@slave.NWO.gov) *
08/20/98 14:48:38 EDT


To: Wil H
Do the words "Act of war" mean anything to anybody?
Neither of these are my favorite countries, and Sudan is just about at the bottom of my list for its slavery persecution of Christians.

Nevertheless, we have undertaken a unilateral act of war -- without a declaration of war, without even any congressional oversight or approval. This is yet one more in a long line of Clinton's abuses of power.

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool"

Send out the planes, world up in flames. Kinda scary


From: luther kirk () *
08/20/98 15:02:57 EDT

To: coyote
An American president would not fabricate a plan of military action to keep the heat away from himself or improve his chances of being reelected.(Or would he?)
From: JayTee ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 16:03:57 EDT

[Canuckistanian]

39. Oh yeah! I remember the "FEMA scenario"!

Clinton was going to use FEMA to enforce martial law so he could hold onto power and cancel the elections of 2000. Or so the wingnuts believed.

Now, those talking points didn't just come from nowhere. The neocons have always hated FEMA. That's why it's only a pathetic shadow of what it once was.

And "a declaration of war, without even any congressional oversight or approval." Hmm, where have I heard THAT before?

Great catch!

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Brilliant. Just Brilliant!

But we shouldn't keep this to ourselves. How do we get this to the mainstream?

[texasleo]

18. Good find

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Yep. I remember the same hysterics from the old cnn message boards.

It was quite pitiful. I should try and find the messages from that board from the hypocritical right wingers.

[B Calm]

112. I remember them too, ha ha

[madmusic]

20. The entire right wingut propaganda machine was doing that.

Fucking asshole hypocrites.

[vickitulsa]

74. They were indeed.

And surely a lot of evidence of that fact exists. I'm off to do some further research on it ... would love to see not just freeperville exposed for the den of hypocrisy it is but to put statements of leading Repuke politicians side by side: What they said about WJC and "wag the dog" then, and what they've been saying lately about how he "failed to do anything about terrorism."

Side by side. Glaring hypocrisy verified by actual quotes from Repuke leaders' mouths.

Think I'll find anything? :evilgrin:

Long before I dreamed that Chimpy could ever reside in the White House, I was burning with anger at those who accused WJC of wagging the dog when he tried to hit bin Laden. A moran could see already back then that it was imperative to go after OBL, however we could do it. Think of how much agony we would likely have been spared in America if the wag-the-dog critics had instead supported Clinton in his moves to stop bin Laden and he'd actually GOT him back then....

I even remember exactly how I felt when it was revealed that apparently our air strikes on the bin Laden training camp in Afghanistan "missed OBL by about an hour." I was crestfallen, regretting only that we so nearly got him! "TRY AGAIN!" I remember thinking. "We've GOT to eliminate that threat."

If only WJC had been allowed to do that.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. 3 cheers for The Way Back Machine!

http://www.archive.org/index.php

[madmusic]

22. more:

Did Bill wag the dog?

clinton today

After Clinton called out the warplanes, Beltway skeptics said they'd already seen the movie.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

BY DAVID CORN | WASHINGTON -- It took only a few minutes for one of the reporters in the Pentagon pressroom to ask Secretary of Defense William Cohen the question on many minds: "Have you seen the movie?" He was referring to "Wag the Dog" and the unsettling coincidence between Thursday's military strikes and a movie in which political fixers concoct a war to distract public attention from a presidential sex scandal.

Cohen adopted a steely expression as he replied, "The only motivation driving this action today was our absolute obligation to protect the American people."

But cynicism could not be avoided. I was eating lunch with a prominent Republican official when his office called to inform him of the Clinton-ordered attacks on terrorist installations in Afghanistan and a supposed chemical-weapons factory in Sudan. The official immediately asked the caller, "Is CNN airing video footage of a young girl running with a kitten?" -- a direct reference to a scene in the film. He got up to leave, noting, "Clinton will do anything to get away from Hillary."

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/08/21newsc.html

[madmusic]

23. more, again

Wag the Doubt The debate over Clinton's Iraq attack blazes new frontiers in cynicism.
By William Saletan
Posted Sunday, Dec. 20, 1998, at 3:30 AM ET
President Clinton

1. Overt Cynicism. The politician accuses Clinton of wagging the dog. Example: "It is obvious that he is doing this for political reasons" (Rep. Gerald Solomon, R-N.Y.).

2. Cynicism by innuendo. The accuser phrases the dog-wagging charge obliquely so that he can deny having made it. Example: "We have had either hostilities or threatened hostilities at interesting times throughout the last year" (incoming House Speaker Bob Livingston).

3. Backhanded cynicism. The accuser implies dog-wagging by saying either a) he can't bring himself to believe Clinton would wag the dog; or b) the White House has assured him it's not so. Example: "While I have been assured by administration officials that there is no connection with the impeachment process ... (b)oth the timing and the policy are subject to question" (Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott).

4. Cynicism about principle. The accuser argues that because Clinton is inherently unprincipled, any seemingly principled behavior on his part is fishy. Example: Clinton must have bombed Iraq to avoid impeachment, because "how else to explain the sudden appearance of a backbone that has been invisible up to now?" (Solomon).

5. Cynicism by association. The accuser doesn't allege a causal relationship between the impeachment process and the bombing, but he blames Clinton for the correlation anyway. Example: "President Clinton has indelibly associated a justified military response ... with his own wrongdoing. ... Clinton has now injected the impeachment process against him into foreign policy, and vice versa" (Jim Hoagland, Washington Post).

6. Vicarious cynicism. Rather than stand behind his cynicism, the accuser attributes it to others. Example: "It is dangerous for an American president to launch a military strike, however justified, at a time when many will conclude he acted only out of narrow self-interest to forestall or postpone his own impeachment" (Wall Street Journal editorial).

more: http://www.slate.com/id/11384/

[mwb970]

24. The attitudes on display are sickening.

The fact that these very same people now call anyone opposed to Bush "America haters" is simply beyond belief, given that they appear to have hated Clinton a fair amount themselves. Why wasn't that "hating America"?

Are they crazy or just stupid or what? I honestly don't get what's up with these people.

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. K & R

[Fuzz]

27. Here's another thread from 99

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37af657a05d4.htm

Taliban believe Washington preparing anti-bin Laden action

DUBAI, Aug 9 (AFP) - US warplanes landed in Islamabad Monday ahead of a possible military operation against the Afghan Taliban, a Taliban representative in Abu Dhabi told AFP.

"US planes landed in Islamabad, and they could be on a mission against Afghanistan," said Aziz Rahman, third secretary at the "embassy of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan," in Abu Dhabi.


Yep, been about a year - time to wag the dog and bomb the towlheads again. We're going to be repairing the damage from this bunch for years - I should've known something was up when the report came out that Bin Laden had five nukes. Yeah, right...

10 Posted on 08/09/1999 16:43:48 PDT by dirtboy

Clinton may well be planning an attack, but it's important to remember that totalitarian regimes will frequently talk about prospective attacks when they want to solidify their rule.

11 Posted on 08/09/1999 16:44:11 PDT by curmudgeonII

OK, let's have it...what have you done now Billy boy? What are you trying to hide behind a war this time huh?

14 Posted on 08/09/1999 16:53:20 PDT by blackbart

The President of the United States does appear to be completely out of control. If he attacks the Afghans again, how many acts of war will that make for this Administration? Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, the Sudan, Iraq, Kosovo, Serbia...for a rotten coward who wouldn't serve when called, he sure is quick to pull the trigger and get other people killed.

21 Posted on 08/09/1999 17:27:32 PDT by Who is John Galt?

Probably as close to Hell as you can get on this earth - and this President starts wars about as often as most people go on vacation...

23 Posted on 08/09/1999 21:11:46 PDT by Who is John Galt?

All totalitarians, including that one we have in the White house.

31 Posted on 08/10/1999 08:37:08 PDT by curmudgeonII

Great . . . now Clinton is going to waste the last of our cruise missiles blowing up more latrines in the desert just before Taiwan and Korea explode.

34 Posted on 08/11/1999 16:28:26 PDT by luther kirk

[TahitiNut]

37. "Who is John Galt?" has been nuked from DU several times.

That one's truly and deeply corrupted. A real sociopath - and totally hypocritical.

[Ignacio Upton]

46. Some things will never change about the Freepers hatred of Clinton

...Like this photoshopped pic:

[GaYellowDawg]

92. The VERY WORST one...

Bin Ladin has 20 nukes? Suitcase nukes obtained from Chechnyan rebels?????? Everytime they show a picture of this guy, I just have to laugh. This Ladin guy dangerous? The terrorist is the one trying to find an excuse to start another war......

And apparently their Preznit felt the same way.

[Fuzz]

93. I wonder what it's like to be wrong all the time

I'm not the smoothest note in the symphony, but damn!

[Cerridwen]

28. Has anyone posted this at their site, yet?

I don't have an account and I can't stomach the place long enough to create one and post this.

Has anyone yet?

[KaptBunnyPants]

30. It wouldn't be up for long.

The last thing they want is for the facts to interupt their patriotic chest thumping. At FR the accepted storyline is that Clinton was too busy chasing skirts and having business contacts killed to do anything about OBL; they are incapable of reconciling their own pro-terrorist viewpoints with the simple minded worldview they are burdened with.

[Cerridwen]

33. Yeah, I know...but for just an instant someone would have to read

at least part of it...

Just an evil dream of mine...hypocrites exposed to their own hypocrisy.

[chat_noir]

31. It has to be an OP

a subthread can be deleted, but an orginal post will be "zotted"...attacked by Viking Kitties...etc...lol

[Cerridwen]

34. Yeah, but someone might read a bit of it first...

:evilgrin:

[stepnw1f]

29. Brainless Liars... everyone of them (nt)

[ms liberty]

32. And even then, none of them could spell or punctuate properly!

The effing brain-dead asshats; God forbid they should be able to use their own brains and have a memory longer than my middle finger!

I am so sick of those idiots.

[Initech]

35. They are the stupidest, most hypocrtical bunch of assholes on the planet.

[tabasco]

36. Stupid brain-dead asswipes the lot of them.

Idiots like this will be the downfall of this Nation.

They demonize a great President like Clinton and worship a dumbass like Bush.

[Erika]

83. Tony Snow was a proud freeper until he took the new post

They scrubbed his posts at that time so he wouldn't looked biased. I bet he had some good ones on Clinton wagging the dog. I wish we could find those and throw them in his face.

[Luna_Chick]

38. K & R

We've got to keep this out there.

[Wilber_Stool]

40. How long has FR been around?........n/t

[Ignacio Upton]

41. Almost ten years

They were founded right after the 1996 Election. By contrast, DU is only half that age.

[Wilber_Stool]

45. Thanks.....n/t

[K8-EEE]

42. K&R!! I remember all this rhetoric well. Dumbass Freepers!

Always wrong, always "remembering" it like it wasn't.

[Ignacio Upton]

47. They'll probably tell you that 9/11 changed everything

Also, one talkingpoint that I'm hearing in response to Wag the Dog, is that while striking Afghanistan was necessary, Clinton timed it specifically for Wagging the Dog purposes. And yet, these same Freepers were jeering Clinton for doing it at all!

[K8-EEE]

58. Iraq "Liberation" Was The Biggest Wag The Dog Of All Times

We'll be paying for this mess for two hundred years if the world survives that long...

[Sparkly]

72. I remember it, too -- beyond FR.

They've always been obedient little parrots!!

And among all the other things I tried (with no success) to get through their locked-up little minds, I advised them over and over again to read TODAY'S NEWS, themselves -- because ALL they did was recount the news as someone else revised and interpreted it for them. Whether it had happened one month or one year or five years ago or longer -- they ONLY had these remarkably consistent "recollections" that were completely WRONG!!

"In two years, you'll be reciting somebody's version of what's happening right NOW," I said!

But on it's continued. They never knew what they were talking about then, and they still don't know what they're talking about now. They don't know what is going on RIGHT NOW as it happens -- they'll just swallow whatever crap is fed them later when it's all past tense.

It's only infuriating when you try to reason with them, inform them, or otherwise engage in honest, adult discussions with them.

There are some lost causes it's more productive to ignore, imho.

[izzybeans]

43. There are some MIHOP theories in reference to Khobar Towers in that

thread.

It only took about three or four posts before it became Clinton's fault.

[Ignacio Upton]

44. One of the Freepers is even alleging MIHOP on the Embassy Bombings

To: Wil H
He set the whole damn thing up when he went to Africa. They blow up our embassies on command and Clinton gets to divert our attention away from his perverted crap. We need an investigation!
From: go star go (emailname) *
08/20/98 14:01:27 EDT

[Ignacio Upton]

48. One of them says "Afgahnistan ought to be our ally."

Well...they do have a lot in common.

[LTR]

49. It's amazing how FR is always trying to whitewash its own history

Behold, a post from '99 trashing Dumbya. And the kicker? It was written by RimJob himself:

To: Freedom Wins

So, it doesn't matter if he snorted coke as a youth? It was a long time ago, a youthful in-discretion? Kinda like people who frequented sneakeasies during prohibition? Kind of a cute story, eh? Well, how about all the people whose lives have been destroyed by being arrested for the felony of drug possession? What about the millions of people who are rotting away in your filthy drug infested prisons at this very moment?

Well, by God, if you people insist on electing another cokehead as President, you damned well better throw open all the prison cell doors and free every man, woman, and child you're holding on drug charges. And if you're gonna elect another drug felon as President, you'd better rescind each and every one of your unconstitutional drug laws now on the books, including all of your unconstitutional search and seizure laws, and your asset forfeiture laws, and your laws that enable your unconstitutional snooping into our bank accounts and cash transactions. Well, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You people are sick! Conservatives my ass. You people are nothing but a bunch of non-thinking hypocrits! You're a shame and a disgrace to the Republic!

And, I, for one, am tired of taking orders from cokeheads and felons! Elect another one and I'll tell you what. I'll be ready for war! It'll be time to take up arms and run the filthy lying bastards out!

Posted on 08/20/1999 03:19:31 PDT by Jim Robinson

I highly doubt you'll find it on Freak Republic now, but you can find it here:

http://www.freerepublicsucks.s5.com/crackdownmay2003.htm

[chat_noir]

52. the thread is still up - for now

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37bd2556430e.htm#1


http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37bd2556430e.htm


To: Freedom Wins and Yikes
Now Bush says that he hasn't done drugs in 25 years, right?
LOL! I can just visualize a bunch of Cokeheads at a party somewhere talking about how cool Bush is and how they would also like to run for president some day...
Hey, does anybody know if he plays the sax? That would be really kewl!!!

7 Posted on 08/20/1999 04:20:05 PDT by Born in a Rage


To: Jim Robinson
Jim,I'll tell you what I am tired of. I am tired of hearing from people who support a religious fanatic like Alan Keyes who is borderline insane and would LOVE to be a American christian version of a Ayatolla(sp). I'm tired of moral Nazi's trying to force their religious beliefs and morals down the throats of the rest of us. I'm tired of so-called moral people who will continue to repeat ANY lie,rumor,or smear in a attempt to get their candidate elected. I am ESPECIALLY tired of hearing this from people who stand to profit financially,politically,and personally if this lunatic (Keyes) were to ever get elected. In fact,it seems to me the Keyes supporters would be better off if EVERY voter were on drugs on election day. That is the only way Keyes could ever get elected.

You and every other rabid Keyes supporter who keeps spreading these rumors about Bush should be ashamed of yourselves! The conduct I see Keyes and other fringe candidate supporters exhibit on FR is on a par with Carville at his worst. Somebody had to say this,and if it is me who ends up banned again over this,so be it. You need a wake-up call.

8 Posted on 08/20/1999 04:28:59 PDT by sneakypete


To: Jim Robinson
You've lost it, Jim! Too bad!

You haven't lost a damn thing. But, people who have never had honor or integrity don't miss it. It's character of convenience.

My GOD!! What the hell is happening here? This is the core of everything we talk about falling to pieces in our nation. We define the acceptable level of everything down just to "win". Win WHAT for God's sake?

Instead of raising the bar of accetability for those we choose to govern us, instead of kicking to the curb those that lack the honor and integrity to meet or exceed that bar, we are proud that "our guy" didn't wallow quite as far below it as "their guy". No wonder kids are so messed up - anything they do is okay, as long as there is someone worse than they are. We talk about following what is not quite the worst in society rather than rejecting all but the very best. Right is right, and wrong is wrong - no matter how much more wrong somebody else is.

Go ahead hypocrites, tell your kids a little "youthful indiscretion" and a few grams of coke are okay, as long as they're not snorting as much as the Democrat's kid down the street is snorting. Tell them to forget about pursuing honor and excellence in all their endeavors in life - just make sure there's some Democrat jerk around that they can point to and call worse. That's good enough, isn't it?

By the way, maybe you can explain to Sharlene Wilson - private citizen, not leader of the free world - why her "youthful indiscretion" got her a thirty year prison sentence, and for the next president of the United States, similar "youthful indiscretions" are "nobody's business" and in fact may translate to "cute anecdotes". I'm sure she'll not only understand the double standard, but be willing to rot out the next twenty years of her sentence too, while she watches the White House occupied by the few, the priviledged, the "youthfully indiscrete".

Heartbreakingly shameful hypocrisy. Those who sign up for that need only look as far as the nearest mirror to see what is wrong with our nation.

11 Posted on 08/20/1999 04:54:07 PDT by another1


To: Jim Robinson
You said it all Jim Rob!

These people propping up Bush by citing Clinton's follies do him no favor! WE ALL KNOW ABOUT BILL! What about Dubya? You Bush Bootlickers make me sick.

Have all you Dubya fans become converts of the Clinton Carville school of propaganda?

Bush Jr is doing yet another Clinton by saying he can't "come clean" for the sake of the kids!

Even Bill didnt try this during the Monica mess!

Wake up Repubs this ship is sinking. Time to find a real American Man (not a little boy who gets bailed out of jams)

Bush be a man! We're trying to read those lips.

19 Posted on 08/20/1999 05:30:30 PDT by DrLiberty

[LTR]

55. Good find

I assumed it was expunged long ago.

Anyone have the threads from after Wellstone's death?

[chat_noir]

57. Questions George W. Bush will never have to answer (deleted)

Questions George W. Bush will never have to answer

6/13/99

QUESTIONS:

Do you think that you have used more or less cocaine than, say, Marion Barry or Bill Clinton?

In 1984, after your firm, Arbusto Energy, had fallen on hard times, you managed to get a job as the 30-something president of Spectrum 7 Energy Corporation, the firm that purchased Arbusto. You also got 14% of the Spectrum's stock. Meanwhile, your 50 investors in Arbusto got paid off at about 20 cents on the dollar. Is this the sort of thing your new economic advisor, Lawrence Lindsey, was thinking of when he said Americans had become too greedy?

Or might he have been thinking of the deal in 1986 when, after Spectrum 7 had lost $400,000 in six months, you sold it to Harken Energy, becoming a major Harken stockholder and receiving a good salary as a director and consultant? Or was it that time when you sold two-thirds of your Harken stock for a 200% profit on June 22, 1990, just 40 days before the start of the Gulf War and one week before the company announced a $23 million quarterly loss, setting off a 60% drop in share price over the next six months? Why were you so valuable to these companies given your less than impressive business acumen?

When you and your Harken partners ran short of cash and hooked up with investment banker Jackson Stephens of Little Rock, Arkansas (the same man who bailed out Clinton with a $3,000,000 loanafter Slick Willie's New Hampshire primary lost), he got you a $25 million stock purchase by Union Bank of Switzerland. Did you know that Sheik Abdullah Bakhsh, who joined your board as a part of the deal, was connected to BCCI? Did you know that the United Bank was connected to BCCI (including its operations in Panama), the Nugan Hand Bank (a notorious CIA-front in Australia), and Ferdinand Marcos? players in what would turn out to be the infamous First American-BCCI deal?

Why do your think the government of Bahrain chose Harken to drill its offshore wells even though it had never dug overseas or in water before? Why do you think it chose Harken, with no relevant experience, over Amoco, with plenty of it? Did you ever discuss with your dad Harken-Bahrain deal? Did any sheiks or other officials ever express any concern over the failure of Harken to find any oil? Do you think they really cared?

lots more...

http://web.archive.org/web/20000816060541/http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3763b1401662.htm

[GOPNotForMe]

50. Kicked. Everyone needs to read this.

It is the textbook definition of hypocrisy. Too bad it involves real-life foreign relations and a frighteningly delusional sector of our very own population.

[troubleinwinter]

51. Oh,

[proud patriot]

53. "beware the hypocrits" as it was foretold

O8)

[samsingh]

54. freepers are ignorant and know nothing of history

[Raffi Ella]

56. oh Wow...

Ha!The sheer hypocrisy is there in their faces in black and white for all to see and cannot be denied.There is NO way to reconcile what they said then and what they're saying now.

I think I'll send this to Keith O.

:evilgrin:


Thanks for posting this.It is MOST enlightening on so many levels.

[alteredstate]

59. LOL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707465/posts

[Raksha]

67. alteredstate, I just clicked on your link

and got a "This thread has been pulled" notice dated today. It sure doesn't take Freeperville very long to bury their crap once it starts getting undesired attention!

Not just hypocrites but cowards to boot...like I didn't already know that!

[alteredstate]

68. When I click on the link

there's a link to this thread.

[slaveplanet]

71. Rim Job pulled it

poor widdle freeps don't like being reminded of the past

[VOX]

77. Thread pulled by freeps in ass-covering maneuver. n/t

[alteredstate]

81. My posting privileges at Free Republic have been revoked

Your posting privilege has been revoked.

Reason:
troll

Okay

When I clicked on "Okay", the link took me to this thread. That's OK --- I'm glad they know we're on to them!

[alteredstate]

103. Unbelievable.....

My posting priviileges were revoked for posting the Freeper's own words, unedited.

[raysr]

60. Repost this on Freeper Land.

[eleny]

61. This makes the case for Clinton's assertons to Wallace

[Erika]

63. This should be shoved in the face of Jim Robinson and all freepers

and a copy to Faux Bushco news.

[AlCzervik]

64. excellent find!! Love this one here, my favorite---irony!!!!

To: coyote
An American president would not fabricate a plan of military action to keep the heat away from himself or improve his chances of being reelected.(Or would he?)
From: JayTee ([e-mail]) *
08/20/98 16:03:57 EDT

OMG how fing funny is that???

[Straight Shooter]

65. Freepers are nothing, for the height of hypocrisy was in Repub politicians

Someone once posted a thread on DU, maybe a few years ago, outlining all the viscious things that people like Hatch and DeLay were saying about Clinton during the time the Kosovo campaign was ongoing. The criticism was staggering, yet of course when bush does his "wag the dog so hard its tail falls off," these very same politicians -- the very same ones -- uttered not one word of criticism of bush and demanded that no one else speak ill of Little Boots' grandiose plans.

[Raksha]

66. I posted this link on a mixed board

frequented by both progressives and freepers. Figured it wouldn't hurt to rub their noses in their own poop. :evilgrin:

[lynch03]

70. what board was it

out of curiousity

[Raksha]

97. Please check your PMs.

And take a look if you get the chance. They are ALL out tonight, frantically spinning like a bunch of whirling dervishes. The Big Dog has them in a tailspin! It's actually pretty funny.

[BelgianMadCow]

69. So BC reads DU

:-) seeing that he also brought up the "wag the dog" opposition to aiming for OBL

[Sparkly]

73. No, that was a well-known, repeated accusation at the time. nt

[Roland99]

75. NOMINATED!!

[Justice Is Comin]

76. Check and MATE you bastards !!!

Truth is like a reversible jacket for you creeps. Well look which side is showing now. Me thinks you will have problems explaining this.

CN, Mr. Holmes himself could not present better evidence :patriot:

[VOX]

78. CLASSIC time-capsule right-wing hypocrisy nominated and kicked! n/t

[TheFarseer]

80. OMG here's a good one

"Low-risk targets with very little chance of retaliation or casualties for US personnel-how coincidental!! He's banking on a "rally-around-the-flag" (and the president) response from the sheeple. Will it work?? Maybe for a short time! Sooner or later, they'll run out of low-risk targets."

What? he wants more risky operations that will assure us of casualties?? rally round the flag sounds familiar. I like how Bill Clinton is "the evil one" LOL

[Erika]

82. The freeper types need to face up to their lies

and how THEY hurt our attempts to thwart terrorism.

This should be reposted a couple of times each day.

[chat_noir]

84. Remember that FR deleted all the Tony Snow threads when he went to WH?

Amusingly, Free Republic is busy deleting all the comments of long-time Freeper, Tony Snow.

http://ancapistan.typepad.com/unfairwitness/2006/04/tony_snow_freep.html

e.g., "Comment #44 Removed by Moderator"



and don't forget that Jeff Gannon was/is a FReeper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=Jeff+Gannon

[rosesaylavee]

85. Excellent post.

Freepers either have no long term memory ability or they have no morals.

Morans.

[Thickasabrick]

86. I saw this exact same post at DKos. I'm wondering if they

copied it from here. Excellent post regardless!

[chat_noir]

87. I'm thrilled that the message is getting out!

Hope that more blogs and websites pick up on it.

A dream come true would be Keith Olbermann or Stephanie Miller reporting it.

[Thickasabrick]

88. I absolutely agree - I just kinda wish they had given you credit

for it! Maybe we should email it to Keith.

[chat_noir]

89. This DU URL is in the post - at the bottom

So, we have been given credit.

[Bucky]

90. Odd line: "Afgahnistan ought to be our ally."

Most of it is thought-free drivel. At least one of them tried to think strategically--but then failed. Afghanistan was a major power base for the people who attacked our African embassies and the USS Cole. But now they're potential allies? Yeesh.

[wiley]

94. This is Really Scary!

They really can't spell. Are they trying to imitate "drama queens" or something? How can you tell A Republican in the gym? They shower in their underwear.

[Lasher]

98. Quotes from when Clinton committed troops to Bosnia:

"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

" President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/17/144732/740

That engagement was successful. Not a single American soldier was killed, and we didn't bankrupt the treasury.

[B Calm]

99. What a short memory republicans have!

[No Exit]

101. "NOW HE IS PUTTING OUR PRECIOUS CHILDREN IN HARM'S WAY

TO SAVE HIS OWN BUTT!"--Said by a freeper on that thread you've quoted.

How about that? That awful man, "putting their precious children in harm's way to save his own butt" :sarcasm: --as opposed to putting "our precious children in harm's way" for NOTHING BUT FILTHY LUCRE. For NOTHING BUT PROFIT.

Go to hell, freeper scum.

[kiki]

102. A "brash act by a brash man-child"... n/t

[JI7]

104. i don't see this on the site that gossips about DU

the site that has an entire forum to discuss what's going on at DU. if anyone has a link to them discussing this thread there pm it to me as i don't see it.

[B Calm]

105. Trust me, they see this thread, but they'll never draw attention to it!

[myrna minx]

106. Oh my, this is a great find.

:bounce:

[ck4829]

107. K&R

[chat_noir]

108. D.C. Chapter to Hold Demonstration in Support of Jeff Gannon

D.C. Chapter to Hold Demonstration in Support of Jeff Gannon and the First Amendment, 2/18/05

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345967/posts

Looks like Kristinn and Gannon go back a few years..

I would like to thank the Marines who went there with me (January 18, 2003 protest - these guys were counterprotesting), the folks at FreeRepublic and especially Kristinn Taylor and Raoul (another FReeper), U.S. Navy Capt. Frank Davis who gave us a place to call home while we were there, Jeff Gannon "The Conservative Guy" who has a web site and writes and speaks to conservative issues, who let us use his place just off the march route for an on-site headquarters.

http://ancapistan.typepad.com/edit/2005/04/becoming_jeff_g.html

To: kristinn
Isn't what this guy is accused of doing kinda creepy? Why would you want to be involved with that?

5 posted on 02/18/2005 6:31:54 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)


To: kristinn
"This isn't about putting a stamp of approval on whatever the liberals are accusing Jeff Gannon of doing before he became a reporter,"
You mean being a prostitute?
Although I agree he has the right to pursue any job that will bring him happiness, I have to believe that if WE found out that some MSM reporter had been a fomer? prostitute....the guns would be blazing.

8 posted on 02/18/2005 6:36:28 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)


To: atlaw
Remind me what the issue is. Is it the right of gay prostitutes using an alias to ask questions of the president on behalf of phony news sites? If so, what's the source of this "right", and why should I be defending it?
The issue is quite clear -- Gannon/Guckert is being attacked because the liberal press corps didn't like the questions he asked. Period. Everything else is smokescreen.

53 posted on 02/18/2005 9:20:17 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)




Online Nude Photos Are Latest Chapter In Jeff Gannon Saga

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1344225/posts

To: West Coast Conservative
Yes, just where is the 'big' story? Did Gannon/Guckert present a fabricated news story? Did he secretly meet with Pres Bush to coordinate a question? (lol) Was there any innaccuracy in his reporting that would warrant so much attention?

Just what is the big story? He's gay?

43 posted on 02/15/2005 11:58:11 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe

Lijahsbubbe, check out Gannon's SS log: http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a1.php

To: trumandogz
If you really want to see them go to americablog.org
Really? that's what everybody is carping about? Did you check out this site? did you click on the links to see if they went and showed what they said was there? They show face shots and claim they are from the escort service but This escort service link is dead as were others the rest of the links were back to their own site.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2004_08_01_americablog_archive.html

Did you check out the rest of the site. They also claim Drudge is gay.

It's amazing. This nutball site wouldn't be given the time of day for any other story, but all of the sudden a FReeper is accused of being a gay prostitute and it is treated as the gospel truth.

101 posted on 02/16/2005 12:34:21 AM PST by bad company (There can be no freedom without right and wrong.)


To: kcvl; Howlin; cyncooper; Miss Marple
Recently, for example, he asked spokesman Scott McClellan whether President Bush violated one of the Ten Commandments by invading Iraq
I remember that question

So this guy isn't a reporter huh???

MSM and the loony left are a bunch of Hypocrites!

139 posted on 02/16/2005 1:01:47 AM PST by Mo1 (Question to Liberals .. When did supporting and defending Freedom become a bad thing??)

[XanaDUer]

109. "Escacalate"

:rofl:

[EarthNeedsHope]

110. "You GOT SERVED!!"

I feel that line is appropriate.

[AIJ Alom]

111. Strange but these ancient freepers seem to be able to spell, write

complete sentences, and form complete thoughts. I wonder where they are now ? Probably working for the Bush Administration in Iraq and hence the reason why it's so fracked up.

[Window]

113. Best. Thread. Ever.

K/R


Thank you for sharing this. Amazing!

[chat_noir]

114. Kick

For the slightest chance that anyone lurking or participating at DU has missed it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=FReeper+hypocrisy&btnG=Google+Search

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv1-msgr&p=FReeper%20hypocrisy


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