Jesus Christ. Bill Clinton.

[TomInTib]

I never really paid any attention to Bill Clinton. I tend to just go along with whatever is working best for me and raise cain about the things that aren't.

I did meet him in Seattle, twice, but that is another post.

And I cannot remember if I have ever watched Larry King before tonight.

But after seeing a rerun of the show of Sept 20, I am filled with a profound sense of loss.

All kinds of loss.

[beam me up scottie]

1. I liked him when he was president.

I love him now.

And like you, I am filled with an ache whenever I hear him speak.

[pnwmom]

8. Me, too. What a loss.

I know there seem to be a lot of Hillary haters around here, but I think having him around again would be one of the best parts if she were elected President.

[beam me up scottie]

18. I hadn't thought about that.

How wonderful.

Remember the movie he did with him riding a bicycle in the White House? Every time I see it I want to cry. It was so spontaneous, so unrehearsed, so ... Bill Clinton.

[pnwmom]

21. Do you have a link for that?

I'd like to see it again.

[beam me up scottie]

24. I lost it when my computer died last month but

I'll do a quick search for it.

[beam me up scottie]

25. Here it is:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/multimedia/clinton-final-days.mov

Just watched it again.

sigh...

[pnwmom]

28. merci beaucoup

and some french fries to you!

Another sign of Clinton's mental health -- his real ability to laugh at himself. All * can do is mock and denigrate others.

thanks again, scottie

[WillyT]

2. I Miss 'Em Both...

:shrug:

[Rainscents]

3. I really liked him frist day one...

I remembered, when he was voted in and I was so pround!

[elf]

4. He is just great-----but I'm still mad at him!!!

Why oh why did he do this "fun thing" with Monika????

He opened the doors for the Republicans..............!

Without "Monica" things would be different!

How deep is America sunk after him?

I (Green Card) feel ashamed, when Bush talks.

I came back from Germany yesterday................I had all the time to explain, why I'm still living in the USA.

10 Years ago they all where jealous, now they feel sorry about me!!

[Hippo_Tron]

5. Monica backfired on the GOP a lot, though

It is true that it completely disabled Clinton from getting anything done domestically in the last two years of his presidency. But given the fact that we picked up seats in the 1998 election and that Gore was still elected President in 2000 I'm not sure if it really hurt us electorally. It did, however, diminish Clinton's personal credibility.

[Tesha]

33. Monica backfired so badly that...

Monica backfired so badly that Republicans now control
the Presidency, both houses of Congress, the Supreme
Court, the media, and you.

Yeah, Monica sure backfired on them.

Tesha

[pnwmom]

13. Why? Because almost every other President before him had done

something comparable, and the media had, for more than two hundred years, just looked away.

[MadMaddie]

6. Tom it is something to hear a true leader speak

in clear, logical, non-stuttering English isn't it?

A man that can explain a topic without the dear in the headlight look..
A man that the world respected and still does....
A man that actually cared about the working class and poor....


Well actually that's the difference isn't it? Clinton is a man...

our current Prezident is a child man.....

Sigh....

He did kick Wallace's ass.....

[TomInTib]

7. Funny, MadMaddie...

I left the teevee on CNN and watched that deal with Wallace.

I think they oughta replace Dean with Clinton.

[MadMaddie]

9. I think Dean's 50 state mandate is a good idea....

I would like to see Dean and the Big Dog work together....those two have great minds and could come up with some serious ideas.....

If any Dems are still distancing themselves from the Big Dog they are fools....

[pnwmom]

27. I don't think Clinton would take a job like that.

He's trying to leave a legacy. And who can blame him.

Even though it would be great to have him fighting for the party again.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

37. Now that might be a seriously good move for the Dems...

God knows it would piss of the RW'ers.

They wouldn't be able to do anything but try to bash Bill and, I believe, alienate even more people than they already have. Even the kol aid drinkers are getting tired of hearing everything's Clinton's fault.

[pnwmom]

11. * isn't a child man.

He's just a shell. Nothing inside to speak of. No brains or empathy either.

[bridgit]

10. i voted for him twice & still consider him a proper 3-D thinker...

here's to Bill Clinton :toast:

[pnwmom]

12. Back at you!

:toast:

[beam me up scottie]

16. To the Big Dog!

:toast:

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. He rawks! A true humanitarian! He loved/loves us all and works

daily for us! He was the greatest President of my lifetime! From a Rhodes Scholar to a Village Idiot! We lost so much!

[pnwmom]

23. He is the classic hero of Greek tragedy.

A true leader, with a flaw that led to his downfall. But he's working hard to redeem himself.

As opposed to the sniveling, comedic little creature we have now.

[beam me up scottie]

26. That's so true, pnwmom.

The idea that anyone could even seriously compare the two nauseates me.

Yeah, * brought dignity and respect back to the Office.

Sure he did.

I wonder how long it will be before we can live him down.

If ever.

[oasis]

15. BC's one in a billion.

:thumbsup:

[radwriter0555]

17. Yeah, I'm at a loss because he sold out TO THE BUSH REGIME.

I got your loss for ya.

He and Senator Clinton are VERY clear that they support the bush regime.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Yes, yes.

I know, I know.

Let it all out.

:eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. !

:eyes: How is the south of France? :eyes:

[pnwmom]

22. You must not have watched the Chris Wallace interview.

He's very clear that he doesn't support the Bush regime. In that interview, and in others I have seen.

But he has obviously been trying to practice the "do unto others" philosophy. And he is trying to forge as many ties as he can to help in in the charitable work he is NOW doing.

[radwriter0555]

30. Clinton is best friends with Bush senior and all partnered up in some "

'global charities" and sharing speaking engagements.

Clinton didn't mention bush in the wallace interview other than saying "I've never criticized president bush..." in that interview. He spoke about the right wing and the republicans.

And you know what? He can forge far, far more credible and beneficial ties for charitable work with more credible, ethical and reputable people than the pieces of crap, lying, cheating scumbags in the bush family. I don't accept these excuses, especially when poppy bush is ultimately the mastermind behind every US initiated scourge on the planet today.

One must have standards and we must stop accepting excuses and cop outs. If you don't apply the same standards to others that you apply to yourself, what's the point? All you end up with is failure.

[pnwmom]

35. So you personally know that Clinton is "best friends" with Bush, Sr.

Is that what you're claiming? Or is it that you got this from the media -- and the media never distorts or exaggerates anything, right?

In the Wallace interview, Clinton was very clear that the Bush administration did nothing to combat terror during the 9 months before 9/11, and did not listen to Richard Clark's dire warnings or follow up on the Cole situation, even though it wasn't until Bush came into office that the CIA was able to verify that al Queda was behind it. He was very critical of the Bush administration's anti-terror efforts in that year, according to the written transcript of the interview that I read. Maybe they cut some of that in the TV broadcast; I didn't watch it.

[Skidmore]

29. I admire the man for his tenacity and his ability to connect

with other human beings no matter what their station in life is. He was the best president because he didn't shy away from his own human frailties. I didn't like some of the things he did--signing NAFTA, for one. However, it was because he put into place some very good programs to give people opportunities, that I, as a single parent, was able to get an education and buy a home. During GHWB's term, I couldn't qualify for student aid since I worked to support my children and just made a few dollars more than the cutoff for eligibility to make further education a possibility for me. Likewise, financial aid policies and tax policies he instituted for education helped me get my two kids through college as well. Block grants to cities made it possible for me to get matching money in the form of an interest free loan to put toward the down payment of my first home. That was payable only when the home was sold or the mortgage was paid off. That home gave me a foundation for financial security for even tough times like now when I am unemployed. We still have a home to live in and equity in reserve. As long as my husband's health and job hold out until I can get started again, we can survive. Yes, our family owes a bit to this man's vision of fairness and equality.

[CTyankee]

31. I got educational benefits when my husband was unemployed

during the Clinton years. I was doing graduate work and working for a nonprofit. We bought our house without having to put down 20% of the price since my husband was a veteran and we qualified for a VA loan. That wasn't a Clinton program, of course, but it sure as hell was a program started by a Democratic president, Harry Truman!

During the Clinton years, crime fell in my city, New Haven, CT. Fewer people were in poverty. We had adequate community policing. Now crime has risen and there is an outcry for more community policing but no money to pay for it. We are poorer and more crime ridden because of GWB, the worst president ever.

I hate to start the week so gloomily, but as I see it, we are in a very sad situation.

[natrat]

32. sentimental bullshit

all his weird schmoozing and snuggling with the bush junta has netted us absolutly nothing. If yall are going to wax sentimental at least pick a dem with integrity. Carter. The DLC and it's agents are despicable crooks.

[TomInTib]

34. Carter was/is a nice guy..

but, as are most Dems, a limp dick.

Gimme fuckin' LBJ.

He sent my ass off to get shot at but he was, at least, capable of busting heads and twisting arms until they snapped.

[pnwmom]

36. LBJ accomplished a lot, too, that began during the

Kennedy presidency. But you have to give the credit to LBJ for going forward on it.