What Will It Take To Stop The bu$hCo Trainwreck?

[Dinger]

[iconoclastNYC]

1. It's not just Bush

There is a machine behind him and they'll find another puppet.

The question should be, what's it going to take to return Democracy to the people.

[Dinger]

2. That's Why If Used The Term "bu$hCo"

as in bu$h & company

[DBoon]

3. starting a war and losing it

What ended the dictatorship in Argentina was their attempted invasion of the Falklands and their humiliating defeat.

Until a nation is defeated at war, it is always possible to believe its government is invincible.

Defeat proves otherwise.

If the US starts a war with Iran (or Venezuela) and loses, it will be the end for BushCo, Inc

[dusmcj]

4. grassroots activism underlies all other choices

be it taking back the legislative branch, impeaching Doobosity & co, or any other end effects, none of them will work if there is not massive activity among the public. Without public activity, representatives (small 'r' - not just the House) will crawl back into their shells and acquiesce as the cultural vandals torch the countryside. With public activity, even the most pandering representative can feel comfortable going along for the ride.

Government Of, By, For the People. It is us. We're the only ones who can make it work.

Pragmatically, what these people are after is money. So, hit them where it hurts. They keep fucking around, we shut the country down. No money made. No sales. No working. Barter networks replace cash sales.

You may say this is a pipe dream. Well, in other more modern countries which maybe understand democracy better because they both invented it and had a hard time historically maintaining it, so that it is dearer to them, 100,000 people can be brought onto the streets within 48 hours to protest policies which are unacceptable. 10,000 people can be brought onto the streets on a weekly basis to protest neoliberal "reforms" of social programs.

At the point where for example, we were contemplating making war on 50 million people living next door to our embattled 130,000 American military in Iraq, with the specter of Chinese and Russian involvement or at least sanctions, and the possibility of tactical nuclear use by the Americans, the Israelis, the Indians and the Pakistanis, a general strike might be appropriate. The demolition of the modern world might be an appropriate reason to simply suspend worry about whether your boss will still like you until the threat is neutralized. Some things are more important than money.

[bigjohn16]

5. The deck is stacked against us.

Even if we could get a Dem majority I'm not convinced they would implement the major reform need to secure our democracy. Lets face it the Dem's don't exactly hate all the corporate money that runs Washington. If they did get power I have no doubt that some scandal would hand control back to the Repub's in four, eight, or ten years time and everything we worked for would be for nothing.

I think our only hope is a complete ban on corporate money in politics and a policy that forbids any public office holder from ever profiting from their power. Theres no reason for either of the two parties to rock the boat because the pendulum swings and even when its not in their favor they're making money. When politics stops becoming profitable is when I think we'll see real change.