It is out of the bag - Why Alito was chosen as SCOTUS nominee

[liberal N proud]

Bush to anti-abortion activists: 'We will prevail'
Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:45 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Monday told opponents of abortion their views would eventually prevail and urged them to work to convince more Americans of "the rightness of our cause."

On the 33rd anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision that established federal abortion rights, Bush addressed activists by telephone from Manhattan, Kansas, and called their goals noble.

"We, of course, seek common ground where possible," he said. "We're working to persuade more of our fellow Americans of the rightness of our cause, and this is a cause that appeals to the conscience of our citizens and is rooted in America's deepest principles -- history tells us that with such a cause, we will prevail."

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyid=2006-01-23T224548Z_01_N23382882_RTRUKOC_0_US-ABORTION-BUSH.xml

[channa18]

1. Please Filibuster

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SHOW SOME DAMN SPINE/

[bowens43]

5. A filibuster will not stop the appointment.

We lost this battle when we lost control of the Senate.

[IndyOp]

10. A filibuster will either force "nuclear" option - blatant 'law' breaking

from corrupt Republicans or it will stop the nomination. We must show clearly the extent of the corruption --

and *we* did not 'lose control of the Senate' at least 4 Senate seats have been *stolen* by election fraud.

:kick:

[mom cat]

12. Absolutely...Then we shut it down.

[bowens43]

16. Why? How will that help us in November?

[mom cat]

23. Finally standing up to the power grab will help us immensly. Right

noe the dems in congress (and the repubs) have a low approval rating. The only way to get it up there is to stand up.

Also, "shutting it down" is a euphonism for "meticulously following the rules" which is a perfect response to nuking, which by definition is blowing appart a tradition that is over 200 years old.
There is a damned good chance that a number of Repubs who vote for Alito will vote against nuking. Hold on...its going to be a rough ride.

[bowens43]

15. What would we gain by this?

We have more to lose then to gain.

So you're saying that we are in control of the Senate?

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Yuo roll over

I won't

This is not only about roe, but about your damn civil rights... ALL OF THEM... if you think it is NOT worth fillibustering, I don't know what will be

[Olney Blue]

2. "the rightness of our cause" from the world's moral authority

:mad:

[chascaz]

3. We need to start calling them "pro-back-alley abortion"

This discussion needs to be changed from one about killing fetuses to a discussion about the health of the Mother. And, if we don't learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. Does anyone have any historical articles, info or pics about back alley abortions, the kind that were performed before Roe vs. Wade? You never hear this argument from our side, and we should, it's the REAL reason why abortions were made legal.

Also, the notion that the GOP doesn't want to overturn Roe vs. Wade because it would eliminate their support from the religious right extremists is BS, because if it is overturned, there will still be a fight, there will always be a fight over this issue, whether it is kept legal or not. If it is overturned, feminists will be fighting to get it back, and the religious right will be there to defend their pro-back-alley abortion views.

Peace - :)

[bloom]

22. Bush*s position is the mother should die

before any fetuses die. That was in one of the debates.

[Roho]

4. sounds like stalling to me

"eventually""convince""goals""working""persuade""history"

filibuster for sure but imo abortion is safe as long as the fundies only get worked up about that and gays.

[Hubert Flottz]

6. Bush plays the fu?king saps to the hilt!

The believers minds melt like hot shit in a blast furnace, when the chimp goes into his Pat Robertson mode and deals out the bullshit GOPer gospel according to KKKarl. I can just picture his hand picked faithful crowds of GOP drones, rolling around on the damned floors and passing around their church snakes, while Brother BushCo passes round the plate.

Bush's "Have Mores" have a lot more money, than they have brainpower.

[WePurrsevere]

9. The "have mores" won't suffer if abortion becomes illegal either

If little Buffy cheerleader gets pregnant by the super football jock they'll just send their little princess somewhere "safe" to have an abortion done. The fact is that it's the poor that will suffer the most... as it always seems to be.

[FloridaPat]

7. So they brought down the USA for the sole purpose of stoping abortion?

After they succeed they will probably pass a law to take women's shoes and jobs away along with contraceptives.

[LosinIt]

8. Please do anything you can to stop this nomination

Back in the fifties my grandmother drank formaldehyde to commit suicide because she was pregnant again for the eighth or ninth time at age 45. She had lost several pregnancies and had a child that died as a toddler. She suffered from depression and the thought of another pregnancy was too much for her to bear. There were no options. Let's not go back there.

So I grew up without ever knowing my grandmother and the child, my aunt or uncle, who would have been my age.

[liberalhistorian]

13. I remember a huge

pro-choice march I attended in Washington, D.C., back in college, I think it was spring of 1986. There was a woman near me who had a large white sign with red scraggly letters, letters that told a chilling story. It said "My mom had an illegal abortion. I don't miss the baby. I miss my mom." She was an older woman, and I talked to her for a bit. She said she was ten years old when it happened, and she had three younger siblings. Her mother apparently could not handle another pregnancy and another child and was desperate (this would have been in the 40's).

What really irritated her was that people would always ask her if she "missed having another brother or sister and if she missed seeing what the baby would have been like." Rarely did they even ask about her mother, it was as if she didn't even count. Kinda shows their true priorities, huh?

My paternal grandmother also told some real horror stories, she was very happy when Roe came down and thought it was decades overdue. She lost a friend back in her 20's, in the late 1930's, who bled to death after a botched abortion. Older women are often much more realistic than younger women when it comes to abortion. My mother and stepfather can also tell some real doozies.

I also remember my favorite professor in college, who had chosen a career over a family because, in her time, you couldn't have both (she was in her 60's in the 1980's, when I was in college). She told some real horror stories of students who'd been injured or died pre-Roe. She was working in her office in the early evening once in the mid-60's when one of her students came stumbling into her office, bleeding and crying for help.

She rushed her to the hospital, but it was too late, she died an hour or so later. She showed me the student's picture in an old yearbook, too, a smiling brunette who was just 20 years old and starting her life. Of course, nothing ever happened to the fathers, naturally. We cannot go back to those times!

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. As a medic south of the border

where abortion is ilegal... I declared a woman in the back of my rig. She died of sepsis (inforction) from a botched abortion.

Of course there is teh young girl we took straight from the back of the rig to the OR... and she died on the table... so yes I have seen what is in our future

[Warpy]

11. FILIBUSTER

If that doesn't work, WALK OUT. Prevent that sack of shit from being confirmed ANY WAY YOU CAN.

If you don't stop this attack on the American people, I'm done with you.

[meganmonkey]

14. I think this is partly a red herring

I don't think even with Alito on the court they will ban abortion. Just like in the 2004 election, they are rallying the base, paying them lip-service.

I think they are using this issue to shield the REAL reason they are putting him on the court, which is to increase executive power, and protecting bushco when the shit hits the fan. Which is fucking terrifying, IMO.

Please don't think that abortion rights aren't important to me, or that I don't recognize that we have to keep fighting for them. I just think the RW knows very well that abortion will keep everyone distracted, just as gay rights did in 2004. A divisive, emotional issue, to mask what is really going on. This is their M.O., and it is very familiar.

[hang a left]

19. meganmonkey gets the prize

[meganmonkey]

20. Thanks, I like prizes

:P

And it is obviously working. Very few people are talking about the executive power aspect...

[hang a left]

21. You and everyone else must read from these links.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2062553

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/012406.html


IT IS GETTING VERY SCARY HERE!!!

[TahitiNut]

24. This really betrays the moral bankruptcy of his language.

"We, of course, seek common ground where possible," he said. "We're working to persuade more of our fellow Americans of the rightness of our cause, and this is a cause that appeals to the conscience of our citizens and is rooted in America's deepest principles -- history tells us that with such a cause, we will prevail."

What he's saying is that "common ground" is only found on his side. He makes reference to conscience and only acknowledges one stance as legitimate - making the clear allegation that those who disagree are lacking conscience. This is the stance of an autocrat - a dictator. He doesn't even accommodate the possibility of his being wrong. That's the "infallibility syndrome of monarchs" He's like Hirohito - the monarch-as-god.