Whats the real figure of U.S dead in iraq?

[AGENDA21]

Does anyone have links to reliable websites?

[ThomWV]

1. 2236

http://icasualties.org/oif/

[AGENDA21]

2. Thanks for link

Also do you think U.S deaths in iraq are being underreported? ive been hearing about this..not sure if its true or not.

[ThomWV]

3. That Seems to Be A Reliable Site

They do list deaths before DOD has notified the family, but they do not list the name of the dead before notification. As far as I can see it seems to be the most reliable source available.

[EuroObserver]

4. ...And the gravely wounded who later die...

in a hospital somewhere in Europe or USA, are they included in these figures?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. Yes, they are.

There's been a ton of discussion of this around here. The folks at icasualties themselves have said that they count those who die outside of Iraq.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. The underreporting thing...

...was debunked some time ago by the good folks at icasualties, some of whom post on DU. It appears to be complete and utter bullshit, originally reported at a right-wing freaker blog and then picked up and repeated by others.

[AGENDA21]

8. What about green card troops

are their deaths counted?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. Yes. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. Caveat -- this site does not track civilian/contractor deaths, only

military.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

15. I believe it does track contractors to some extent...

http://icasualties.org/oif/Civ.aspx

This is noted as being a "partial" list:

It is understood that the above lists may be incomplete.
Our research is ongoing at this point.

Edit: As for civilians, I don't think anybody is tracking that at this point. Estimates have been made, but they are just that - estimates.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. Whoops. Thanks. I looked for, but didn't see, a page with that

info. My error.

[gimama]

7. upi/Mark Benjamin:"US Casualties UNDER-reported by 17,000

This was Sept'04, I believe; (I can dig a link up, or Google it)
I don't have his latest info, but more important than numbers is how Casualties are classified,and do NOT include those who die from injuries, or accidents, etc.
This same report stated(burned in MY memory) that of the over 17,000, medevaced from Iraq, some 5,375 were for "psychological problems, 800 of which became psychotic".
This report caused me to write many letters to DC about the TRUE Costs of this war..and how it is kept FROM the American PEOPLE.
I've been real impressed with Benjamin's reporting, he explains exactly how/where his numbers come from, sources & all.
Another awesome INVESTIGATIVE reporter,Pam Hess, also of UPI,she works the Penygon,spends alot of her time in Iraq.
Celebratin' the REAL FREE PRESS, when I see it!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

10. Not true.

Go to the icasualties.org website. Go into the section where you can view the database and run queries. Apply a filter to include non-hostile deaths. It includes deaths from accident, illness, etc.

Edit: This is not to say that your assertions about psychsis aren't accurate. I have no idea whether that is true.

[AGENDA21]

11. Have you come across this?

Official US. government reports on soldiers under US command killed in Iraq are so fragmented that they account for less than half of the total number, according to information uncovered as part of an inquiry by the Government of Puerto Rico regarding the total number of Puerto Rican war casualties.

This analysis was confirmed by El Diario/La Prensa's review of multiple documents, including official reports issued by the US Department of Defense, the Iraqi Ministry of the Interior and more than 230 battlefront reports, which reveal that more than 4,076 troops under US command have been killed in 799 days of battle.
This information contrasts markedly with the limited information on casualties generally issued by US military authorities, which focus only on US uniformed troops. These total 1,649.

http://www.coastalpost.com/05/07/03a_.html

[Roland99]

12. Yes, several times.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

13. That does not appear to be a reliable source.

They've archived all sorts of whacked-out shit. A search for "puerto rico iraq casualties" on google shows that this story hasn't even been picked up by the English language media in Puerto Rico, which makes me suspect that it is bullshit. Also, one of the links in the top 10 was to Rense, which really sets off my bullshit detector. I'm not going to go into the reasons why this story cannot possibly be true, primarily because they've been explained here many, many times.

[gimama]

19. UPI article link

This is on the WaTimes,I'll be looking for more current report.

www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040915-021124-6165r.htm
Thanks for caring enough to search for the FACTS.

[gimama]

16. link for UPI article/interview w/Amy Goodman

www.veteransforcommonsense.org/NewsArticle.cfm?ID=2384
This is dated 11 Nov'04,transcript of Amy's interview with UPI's Mark Benjamin. I'm still looking for his filed story. Hope this helps clear up some misconceptions.
By the Way, Veterans for Common Sense is a great ADVOCATE for Vets & Soldiers, check out their site,& blogs.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. Hmm...

What it says, and this is believable, is that the pentagon either isn't releasing or isn't keeping track of the number of soldiers who are injured for reasons other than enemy fire. It says nothing about not counting those killed for reasons other than enemy fire. In your first post you insinuated that these fatalaties were not counted. If you look at the icasualties site, those fatalities are clearly counted.