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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 12:45 AM
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There’s the president and Karl Rove trading fart jokes (Woodward Book)
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 12:53 AM by RamboLiberal
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Whereas Mr. Woodward has tended in the past to stand apart from his narrative, rarely pausing to analyze or assess the copious material he has gathered, he is more of an active agent in this volume — perhaps in a kind of belated mea culpa for his earlier positive portrayals of the administration. In particular, he inserts himself into interviews with Mr. Rumsfeld — clearly annoyed, even appalled, by the Pentagon chief’s cavalier language and reluctance to assume responsibility for his department’s failures.

Mr. Woodward reports that when he told Mr. Rumsfeld that the number of insurgent attacks was going up, the defense secretary replied that they’re now “categorizing more things as attacks.” Mr. Woodward quotes Mr. Rumsfeld as saying, “A random round can be an attack and all the way up to killing 50 people someplace. So you’ve got a whole fruit bowl of different things — a banana and an apple and an orange.”

Mr. Woodward adds: “I was speechless. Even with the loosest and most careless use of language and analogy, I did not understand how the secretary of defense would compare insurgent attacks to a ‘fruit bowl,’ a metaphor that stripped them of all urgency and emotion. The official categories in the classified reports that Rumsfeld regularly received were the lethal I.E.D.’s, standoff attacks with mortars and close engagements such as ambushes.”

Earlier in the volume, in a section describing the former Iraq administrator Jay Garner’s reluctance to tell the president about the mistakes he saw the Pentagon making in Iraq, Mr. Woodward writes: “It was only one example of a visitor to the Oval Office not telling the president the whole story or the truth. Likewise, in these moments where Bush had someone from the field there in the chair beside him, he did not press, did not try to open the door himself and ask what the visitor had seen and thought. The whole atmosphere too often resembled a royal court, with Cheney and Rice in attendance, some upbeat stories, exaggerated good news and a good time had by all.” Were the war in Iraq not a real war that has resulted in more than 2,700 American military casualties and more than 56,000 Iraqi civilian deaths, the picture of the Bush administration that emerges from this book might resemble a farce. It’s like something out of “The Daily Show” or a “Saturday Night Live” sketch, with Freudian Bush family dramas and high-school-like rivalries between cabinet members who refuse to look at one another at meetings being played out on the world stage.

There’s the president, who once said, “I don’t have the foggiest idea about what I think about international, foreign policy,” deciding that he’s going to remake the Middle East and alter the course of American foreign policy. There’s his father, former President George Herbert Walker Bush (who went to war against the same country a decade ago), worrying about the wisdom of another war but reluctant to offer his opinions to his son because he believes in the principle of “let him be himself.” There’s the president’s national security adviser whining to him that the defense secretary won’t return her phone calls. And there’s the president and Karl Rove, his chief political adviser, trading fart jokes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/30/books/30book.html?pagewanted=print

Tell me again about the grownups being in charge!

BTW, publisher is allowing the book stores to start selling this book today - 9/30.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 12:51 AM
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1. Terrance and Phillip go to Washington.
A far cry from Mr. Smith.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 12:55 AM
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2. Totally devastating, and probably worse than anyone thought.
Especially after Woodward's first two books. I read tonight #2 wasn't as pro-Bush as I had read.
I know I should be angry, but I'm just glad this book will find a big audience.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 12:59 AM
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3. Wasn't it the 2nd book that revealed that Bush said he listened
not to Poppy Bush but to a "higher father". There were some disturbing aspects to those paying attention but the first two books were more laudatory. I still think Woodward became an "inside the beltway" whore, but IMHO if this book and interview is as devastating as NYT and others who have seen it say, it could well help us win the House and Senate and drop Chimpy's poll ratings like a rock. I will certainly take that.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:00 AM
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4. “I don’t have the foggiest idea about what I think about international,
“I don’t have the foggiest idea about what I think about international, foreign policy,”

Yeah, that's it, bubba..

We are so fucked.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:04 AM
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5. Bullshit. We are if you want us to be. Vote. nt
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:06 AM
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8. Why are you attacking the poster? - the poster is quoting Bush
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 01:15 AM by RamboLiberal
eom. I agree we are fucked - but we still vote - and work and hope they are counted.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:27 AM
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13. Because we are friends and I was trying to tell him he's
full of shit and has to vote. I meant no harm. :) I love your heart though. :hug:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:11 AM
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11. We are fucked...
take a look around you, 'sister.

We are fucked.

Doesn't mean we cannot become unfucked.

And I vote (sometimes). It just doesn't mean much, here, in Marin County.

We might as well phone it in.

Tom
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:35 AM
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14. No we are not. Vote, watch the news, see the wonder.
Volunteer. Do whatever it takes, because it will make you feel better.
It will become unfucked.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:05 AM
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6. Woodward describes Bush as "increasingly removed from reality."
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President Bush is portrayed as being stubbornly immune to warnings that things might not be going well in Iraq. According to published reports, Woodward describes Bush as "increasingly removed from reality."

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In November 2003, Bush is quoted as having said: "I don't want anyone in the Cabinet to say it is an insurgency. I don't think we are there yet."

http://www.alaskareport.com/wn10135.htm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:14 AM
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12. Four psychopaths are running this country. It's not an insurgency
it's a *fruitbowl*. :wow:
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ryanus Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:06 AM
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7. Bringing dignity back to the white house nt
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:08 AM
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9. I feel completely sucked in. . .I swore I'd never read another
Woodward book, I was furious at him for covering up...and I'll probably buy this tomorrow. . .if he pisses me off again. . .
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:10 AM
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10. Same here - BTW Book is #1 on both B&N and Amazon Websites
Certainly this and the Foley story are the hot topics of the weekend and will be well in to next week. Wonderful timing for Dems. Maybe this time we have the October Surprise!
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