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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:31 PM
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It's nearly 6 years since I stopped routinely watching television.

I stopped walking in from work, switching on the box and allowing my brain's precious time to be wasted on the mindless frothings of newsfelchers and low-budget science fiction authors.

I started going outside, going to resteraunts, going to plays and concerts, looking at pretty mountains and hills and lakes...

And gradully the hideous medusa's baleful grey glare released its grip on my soul.

I started to release my paranoia, my twitching at walking in the street past perfectly ordinary people gradually disappeared as I came to realise that, unlike on television, I have never once ben grabbed by any of them and thrown into a ditch to be shot or stabbed and I could probably tolerate their existence fairly safely, based on my OWN experience. Sometimes I even ask them for the time. And smile.

Nervously, they smile back. He's a bit weird, they must think. Didn't he see that baby being fed into an industrial dogfood mincer on the TV a few hours ago? "Quarter past seven."

"Thank you," I say, and walk on, unafraid that I might be arrested and beaten up suddenly by the passing policeman, who, I notice, is scratching his ear in an entirely human and unauthoritarian way.

I have no sudden compulsion to buy shaving foam that matches my personal image. Why would I? I'm already more than happy with M, my SO, who would I be attracting?

I shave with soap, mostly. It works.


Sometimes I sit down and watch an entire series on TV and I notice that there are really a VERY SMALL number of psychic magnets that can grab the attention for an ENTIRE SERIES about, for example, a 20 something dumb blonde who has been personally chosen to, er kill all the vampires.

Noble Sacrifice. Relationship Problems. Brutal Irony. Oh, if only! Inter-character tensions. Noble Sacrifice. Relationship Problems. Brutal Irony. Oh, if only! Despair. Death. Sex. Despair. Death. Sex. Despair. Death. Sex.... (Rinse. Repeat.)

Interrupted sharply by:

"Are YOU paying TOO much for YOUR CAR INSURANCE?"

or

"Because I'm WORTH IT."

You're worth it. You are worth a cheap bottle of hair conditioner. That is your value.

ZZZZZZZZZz........

The colours run and fade into grey meaningless nastiness. It's an ugly thing, television.

I was in Arran last year just before Christmas and I went out one night from the cottage. It was just on the point of freezing. The sky was a cloudless crystal near-midnight blueish black and every star was out and blazing like...

Like nuclear furnaces so far away that the light itself took hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands of years to reach my eyes, but so huge I could still see them.

The tide pools were as black as polished jet and almost as still. The Moon glared at me with a serious expression, mirroring herself in the flat, metallic surface with the stars, their little dance steps light on the minutely quivering water like the tiny catchlights in one huge, black eye.

I watched for hours as the ice crept over the pools until even the moon was obscured.

Tell me, would this experience really have been improved with ten minute breaks every half hour peppered with beer, chewing gum and cheap holiday commercials?

I had taken my large format camera onto the island. Had I taken a long exposure that night of the Moon and her children, it might have been the best shot I'd ever have taken.

I decided not to.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:34 PM
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1. very nice, baby_mouse!
Thanks!
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:37 PM
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2. Great post!...
...And I also shave with soap from the dish next to the sink. I'm always amused at the bewilderment from other men when I tell them that I don't use shaving cream, opting instead for practicality. Amazing how marketing can change perception and expectation, isn't it?
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:43 PM
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3. Great post. This really resonated with me,
"I started to release my paranoia, my twitching at walking in the street past perfectly ordinary people gradually disappeared...I could probably tolerate their existence fairly safely, based on my OWN experience. "
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:46 PM
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4. they way you describe it
one would almost think looking out the window or taking a walk rank nearly as high as watching the boob tube, on the scale of authentic life experiences.

Baby shampoo also works really well for shaving purposes.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:11 PM
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23. Indeed.

Baby shampoo does for most things, really! Cheaper, too.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:28 PM
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35. What other things? I collect household hints & tips. nt
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:46 PM
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39. Salt cleans cookers.

Fair bit Better than so-called cooker detergent, sometimes. A lot of salt gathered in little pile in the cloth and rubbed in hard gets rid of caked on stuff really fast. Have to put in a little effort, though.

Hmmm... You know you can put milk in the freezer? Defrost it and it turns straight back into milk. Keeps longer... Buy in bulk... cheaper.

Er... organic veg TASTE much better than GM or pesticide protected and suchlike equivalents, to my mind. Especially organic onions, it's almost like a different vegetable. And I don't know if there's a similar scheme running anywhere in the States, but here in Scotland where there's farmland next door to pretty much every city there are a lot of little communities that will sell you a TV sized box for damn cheap once a week stuffed with their garden's organic veg produce. You don't get to choose what's in it, it's seasonal, but the stuff's SO much cheaper and better, in my mind it's worth it. Ask around, I bet there's someone, and if there isn't there should be...

Do you grow your own herbs?
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 09:05 AM
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58. Only chives. I'm in an apartment and space is at a premium.

Thanks.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:50 PM
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40. Somewhat off topic; have you picked up the end of the year issue of
"Real Simple"? it's over priced, but it's got some great tips in it. I've been thinking about typing many of them up and emailing them to those I know would appreciate them; I can put you on that list if you haven't gotten the magazine already.

Some samples: use expired sunscreen as a shaving lotion (I tried it-works great for the legs), use baby oil to removed tar, use an emery board to revive dried out erasures, and old dryer sheets to clean glass shower doors.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:51 PM
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41. Delete-darned double post. n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 03:52 PM by Lorien
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:50 PM
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5. Beautifully Inparted Wisdom, Little_Mouse
Thank you for your thoughtful and soothing essay.

I've only watched the stray thing on television now for about a decade.

Our housemate and homemaker keeps her television on nearly 24/7...but she's grown partial to cable; SciFi, History, and Documentaries. Things like "Mythbusters" and the series on crab fishing. No news whatsoever.

The "no television habit" has been a blessing and a breeze at my back on the road to peace of mind.

Thank you again for your tribute to the true delights of the senses.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:12 PM
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25. mm.

I have a VERY similar housemate. She watches History and Documentaries as well...

she's resolving not to, she says... ;-)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:51 PM
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6. Kick and Recommend!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:54 PM
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7. TOTALLY nominated
:)

And thanks for the reminder. I have lived TV-free for much of my adult life. Recently I got cable because they finally starting having hi-speed internet it my little town, and it was cheaper (for the 1st 6 months, anyway) to get bothe TV and internet service. I don't watch it all the time, I seldom watch news or major network shows, but I do watch. Too much. And so I fry my brain.

TURN IT OFF!!!!
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:56 PM
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8. I saw a teaser today on MSNBC
It said that an investigator had found a clue in that murder case aboard the cruise ship. They said he had "found something" , apparently a clue ( or just another hook) I was amazed how far the news had lowered itself. Right down there with the Enquirer rags.

I knew when I saw that ,journalism had become nothing more than fluff and jingles. Well to be honest I already knew that, it just cemented it into my opinion.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:56 PM
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9. Beautifully written.
I haven't watched a TV broadcast but a few times in the last decade.

Unfortunately, I don't find peace . . . unless I'm camping under "the Moon and her children".

There's just too much suffering for the feeling to last for very long, I suppose.

What a ridiculous culture we have.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:02 PM
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10. kick nt
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:10 PM
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11. Check out the book
Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television
by Jerry Mander

Much of what he predicted in the book written in 1978 has already come to pass

I read this book in 1982 and look where it has gotten me
:crazy:



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0688082742/qid=1138129452/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/002-3816117-7631248?n=283155
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:27 PM
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50. Read his follow-up...
..."In the Absence of the Sacred" for a further discussion of technology's impact upon us.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:11 PM
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12. Does that mean you're not going to watch the Superbowl?
:rofl: Me neither!

Blow up the TV!
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:15 PM
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15. Hey hey hey..
Easy now. Dont tread on the Steelers...

:)
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:12 PM
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13. recommended
right on!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:13 PM
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14. Excellent!
Talking, playing games with the family and reading are all preferable than watching the boob tube.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:15 PM
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16. Excellent
It has been close to ten years for us, although in the last few the internets seem to be oozing in to replace a lot of more productive time - ah well.


Isn't it strange when you do get around a tv? The commercials - they make me have a real physical reaction - and it is not pleasant. I start feeling really WEIRD, sort of like coming down from psychedelic drugs....:scared:
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:42 PM
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17. One day it just hits you..."There's not anything on worth watching".
And it's the same stuff you've always watched. Of course, having to pay for your own cable all of a sudden helps. I've never paid for cable TV in my adult life. Once that gets you out of the habit, why start up again? It would be like quitting smoking, and then deciding it wasn't that bad a habit after all.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:48 PM
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18. i gotz to have my commercial-free turner classic movies!
TCM!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:15 PM
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26. If I had to pick only one network to watch the rest of my life, TCM is it!
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:48 PM
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19. may i send this
to a sister who watches entirely too much tv? with all credit to the author of course. this is wonderful!
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:07 PM
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21. Please do!

I would be more than honoured!

:loveya:
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:11 PM
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22. thanks mouse!
btw rodents are my favorite animal - i.e. guinea pigs :hi:
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:21 PM
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64. Thank you!

There seem to be one or two rodents hanging around this board...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:00 PM
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20. Television not only dumbs us down,
killing our reasoning ability, it makes us lazy. Speaking of shaving how many damn blades does it take in a razor to cut your hair?




:kick:
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:12 PM
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24. Ten years this July!
I should probably get a bonus - like a shiny new TV!!

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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:18 PM
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29. WAHEY!

Alternatively....

You've given me an idea...

I wonder if giving up television parties could be held celebrating the anniversary? You could choose any date, I guess.

How about a Give Up Television Day?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:22 PM
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They had such a day in a small New England town about a decade ago
I remember reading about it; nearly the entire town decided to go a month without television, and when the month was up, the majority remained TV free. :-)
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:26 PM
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34. Don't tell any of the media schemers.

They'll make a mawkishly sentimental movie out of it and try and sell us all action figures.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:17 PM
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27. Excellent! I'm beginning to really hate television, too!
Of course, I still have a couple of favorite programs like Arrested Development, 24, and The Daily Show.

In fact, the only shows I watch on a daily basis are the Daily Show and the Colbert Report, but that's it, really.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:56 PM
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43. Some shows are good, but if they are, they'll be on DVD
eventually. That's how I discovered Arrested Development.

My thing is, I hate commercials. I HAAAAATE them. I actually quite like a lot of shows, but I can't stand the sound of commercials in my house. So I watch no broadcast or cable TV, just movies on the VCR once or twice a week... since I moved out of my parents' house in the 80s.

It's been really good for my children, too.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:17 PM
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52. Oh yeah, commercials are the fucking worst!
I swear, during 24 last night, one break had 4 minutes worth of commercials. 4 MINUTES!!!

If there's a show I really want to see, I'll wait until it's on DVD. That's when I first started watching LOST.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:58 AM
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56. Interestingly, TV commercials don't even work very well.

There was an attention span study done by a UK prof somewhere recently and most of the products mentioned in a normal ad break were forgotten in a very short space of time... an hour or so, I think...
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:17 PM
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28. Wonderful post. I can sympathize. One of the difficulties of not being
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 03:20 PM by Lorien
"plugged in and tuned out" is that most of the rest of the world IS. It's lonely-especially if you don't have an SO.

I grew up without a television. I was perceived by other children as "different" and "weird". I collected and read books written from about 1860-1945, because I related to the authors more than I related to my contemporaries. When I left college and became successfully employed I got cable TV. I spent the next eight years or so feeling like I was never "enough" and finding myself in malls with my coworkers, endlessly shopping. I could participate in the conversations of my peers, but they were, for the most part, superficial and dull. Eventually I quit paying for the cable. I still needed a TV because I worked in the entertainment industry, and needed to review VHS tapes and DVDs regularly. Now I get a fuzzy ABC, the WB, and channel 27 (which mostly just runs reruns of Oprah and a few old sitcoms). Sometimes I can hear CBS. Mostly I just listen to or watch DVDs from Netflix while I work, if I listen to or watch anything. There isn't much on television that can really hold my attention.

I also take long walks; I fed geese, ibis', mudhens, ducks, and little blue herons this morning at a nearby lake. I watched a Kingfisher hunt for minnows....and I'm certain I'll remember the Kingfisher long after the television programming has passed from memory.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:21 PM
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31. Lorien, that sounds pretty awful.

I don't think I could stand to be in the entertainment industry unless I was actively participating in some way.

I long for the time when the Entertainment Industry was just the ARTS.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:29 PM
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36. I actively participated-I was an animator at Disney
I enjoyed drawing and seeing those drawings "come to life", but I usually only watched the films once when they were finished-it was the journey that was interesting, not the destination.

I've since worked on pre-production, taught animation, managed groups of artists for other studios. I've never seen the last film I worked on; what I saw on the VHS dailies I took home in the evenings was enough to tell me that it wasn't a movie that I would enjoy watching, but that didn't make drawing the characters entirely unenjoyable.I guess it's all in what you want to take from the experience.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:34 PM
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37. Oh, OKay...

that sounds like almost a dream job for some people I know... I re-assess rapidly... Some Disney Movies are beautiful, the older ones, certainly. I love Alice and Sleeping Beauty, such care went into it all...

Also like Lilo and Stitch!

I'm envious...
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:42 PM
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38. Care indeed-I have a few (late) friends who worked on Sleeping Beauty
one told me that his drawings of Prince Philip were to be SO precise that he only got two done a day!

The funny thing is that the movies that were the most enjoyable to work on often were not the most popular at the box office. Most everyone I know had a horrible time working on "the Lion King', and many could have wrung Chris Sander's neck during "Lilo and Stitch". Personally I enjoyed making "The Rescuers Down Under" and "Beauty and the Beast" (though the following film, "Aladdin", was a bit of a bumpy road). It's odd that the creator's mindsets aren't always reflected in the final product; we have often laughed at how films manage to get made in spite of those who are working on them!
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:35 PM
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51. I know someone...
...who worked in Imagineering at Disney. Small world - no pun intended...well, maybe a little bit.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:20 PM
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30. I quit watching when the Supreme Court gave Bush the crown.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:22 PM
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32. my first husband in a brief foray into
wisdom once called tv the great brain smoother. i always liked that definition.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:22 PM
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33. K&R
I love it.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:55 PM
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42. TV=Satan's dreambox (Bill Hicks)
Television's stranglehold on our collective perception of reality is one of the root causes of the rot consuming the foundations of our republic, IMO.

I have grave doubts about whether we can break that stranglehold, but efforts like yours to break free are encouraging.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:56 PM
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49. Thank you, but... "Break Free"?

Who was coercing me to watch television?

Nobody.

I don't think it's a stranglehold or an addiction at all.

In fact, I wonder sometimes if addressing television in those terms is a bit... counter-productive.

Television is simply a nuisance. People tolerate it, really, at best, the number of people who are genuinely *addicted* to television, if we use the word properly, as a medical term, is quite small. (They do exist, genuine TV addicts). Very few people genuinely *enjoy* watching television.

It's the *absence* of socially recognised alternatives that's the REAL problem, not television itself, I suspect.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 09:11 AM
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59. Whether you want to recognize it or not, TV is a major cultural
influence on our society today.

Did I say people are addicted to it? No. But I do believe it has a stranglehold on our collective awareness of reality (or whatever you want to call it), and that, consequently, it has an impact on what democratic republics need in order to thrive: an informed, active population.

There are studies (most famously, one entitled "Bowling Alone") that show the "socially recognized alternatives" that you say are lacking have actually declined significantly as a rise of TV's prominence in American society.

Here's a link for a review of the "Bowling Alone" book http://communityknowledge.net/PutnamJK.html

SNIP
"Putnam declares that the decline in America's social capital paralleled the growing ubiquity of the television. Among the findings he cites as evidence of the corrosive effect of television is that at least half of all Americans usually watch TV by themselves and that each hour of television viewing per day means roughly a 10% reduction in most forms of civic activism (p. 228).

"More recent generations watch more televisions, which may account for the fact that “compared with teenagers in the 1950s, young people in the 1990s have fewer, weaker, and more fluid friendships” (p. 226). The isolation of youth may be a contributing factor in the large rise in the suicide rate of 15 to 24 year olds from 1950 to 1995 (p. 261). Other stress indicators that correlate with social isolation such as headaches, sleeplessness and digestive problems have also increased and younger people are now more likely than older people to say they are unhappy, a reversal of past tendencies (p. 263).

"Putnam notes that not all TV viewers are the same, some watch more for entertainment and some more for information, and he finds that the latter are more likely to be civically engaged. He also notes that newspaper reading is highly correlated with social and civic engagement. Furthermore, Americans who watch the news on television are more likely to read the daily newspaper but those who rely solely on TV for the news are not as engaged (pp. 219-220)."

SNIP

*****************

Granted, TV's part of a larger matrix of influences (including the computers) and you can quibble with Putnam's findings as some do, but as an activist and community organizer who has tried to build participation in things where I live, I personally believe TV plays a huge role in facilitating the breakdown of social interaction and diverting or obfuscating people's awareness.

The forces behind TV don't need to coerce us into watching it. They tantalize us into watching. Like Brian Eno recently said: "everybody is entertained to death. There's so much entertainment going on, there's so much to distract yourself and it all looks so much more interesting than politics." There are sophisticated marketing techniques used by Madison Avenue and the entertainment industry (and more and more, by politicians) that have been described as "weapons of mass distraction." TV is the prime way to discharge these weapons on us, IMO.



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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:53 PM
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60. I understand your position...

And hope that whatever efforts you are currently engaged in as a community activist to bring something more positive to the community succeed.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 03:10 PM
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62. TV no longer reflects culture it creates it....
Television's early creators and supporters first goal was to bring arts programming like plays and classical music to live television and the masses. They did for awhile.

Stop reflecting culture and creating it with Uncle Milty...it showed that television true purpose was for advertising and mindless entertainment for the people who wanted nothing to do with anything intellectually challenging after spending 12 hours on a factory line on in a office piled with paper.

Now television creates culture. That is the point of original post. Television has nothing to do with real human culture in my opinion. ONe can opt to join the television culture or be part of reality and human culture.

YOur choice. I choose the latter and have not watched television as a pastime for 4 years now.



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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:24 PM
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44. I read. And listen to Air America. I'm much smarter and healthier now.
I've read more in the past few years than ever in my life. Hard history, science, etc. It's the silver lining in Turd Blossom America.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:07 PM
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45. Go for a drive, walk on an unfamliar path - you can make your own magic
allow your mind to think whatever it wants to without outside influence...
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:09 PM
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46. For some reason, this reminds me of something..
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 05:12 PM by girl gone mad
from the Onion:

Area Man Constantly Mentioning
He Doesn't Own A Television

CHAPEL HILL, NCArea resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkersas well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

"I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted TV. "I don't even own one."

According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward television whenever possible, just so he can mention not owning one.

...

"I'm not an elitist," Green said. "It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen."

"If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university," Green said. "I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out."

Continued Green: "People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habitor, shall I say, addictioneats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television."



http://davefaq.com/Opinions/Television/Onion.html
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 05:14 AM
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54. that article is REALLY funny!! thanks n/t
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:02 PM
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47. Wish I had your willpower. TV is the opiate of the western masses.
Over my years, I've spent some periods with little or no tv (the absolute best times), but most periods with way too much. These days, due at least in part to some terrible tinitus, I have the damn tv on all my waking hours. Lots of the time I am doing other things, but the noise does kinda help. When I actually pay attention and think about the stuff that's on though, I often wish I had raised my kids in a nontv home. Did any of you? I think a big part of a heaven in an afterlife would be a complete erasure of any and all memories of TV watching time spent.
Have any of you had to think twice or more to decide if some past memory was real or something you saw on TV? Throw in all the faux news type manipulation, stack that with even a minimal amount of propoganda on prime time type stuff, kid's mind bending shows, and you gotta weep for our "culture".
Think of a "Mad Max" world. Would the lack of tv be a plus or a minus?
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:17 PM
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48. I don't have a TV where I live during the week.
And when I'm home on weekends I don't watch it. There just isn't anything I care to watch. It's mostly lower level intelligence junk. It doesn't teach me anything and it doesn't entertain me either. I don't even miss it.
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 04:56 AM
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53. Well Said!!! TV Free for 14 years !
The only way to live in this culture. I'd slit my wrists if I had to watch tv again.

The only way we're going to win our liberation from the corporations is by each and every one of us not watching the bullshit they're peddling.


I wish you'd taken the picture on the island, though.

That I'd like to see.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:56 AM
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55. Well, I did take a few on that island a few months before...

That was more a late autumn thing on a red sandstone beach and we made stone beach sculptures. I'm going to scan some in and maybe put them up on flickr... Or I might have own site by then... so I'll stick a linky somewhere about...

But, um, I didn't want to waste the moment on taking photos.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 08:10 AM
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57. Excellent post! And yet, I wonder if any of us could do that with our
computers...? Could we live without the internets? I've never been a TV watcher as such, but I really doubt I would have an easy time giving up this old jalopy of a computer. :hi:
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:09 AM
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63. I don't think computers are really comparable, Mrs G.

You get to make your computer do stuff, you can use them to talk to people and have conversations with others who share your opinions and form communities around extraordinarily specific interests... They're a great deal more interactive...

Certainly we could probably all do with a walk in the sunshine from time to time to offset the enormous amount of time we all spend on this site (and others, I strongly suspect), but I think the time we spend here is very constructive and educational.

However, I feel I must say that despite computers being broadly very beneficial in comparison with TV I *do* think that they are MUCH more addictive... :blush:

:hi:, BTW. Did I comment on one of your posts? I recognise your name. Were you house-hunting?
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Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:56 PM
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61. I watch HBO but have largely given up on network TV
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