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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:20 PM
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Kissinger counseled Bush: Lesson of Viet Nam is to stick it out in Iraq
The president met privately with Kissinger every couple of months, making him the most regular and frequent outside adviser to Bush on foreign affairs.

Kissinger sensed wobbliness everywhere on Iraq, and he increasingly saw the situation through the prism of the Vietnam War. For Kissinger, the overriding lesson of Vietnam is to stick it out.
...
In a meeting with presidential speechwriter
Michael Gerson in early September 2005, Kissinger was more explicit: Bush needed to resist the pressure to withdraw American troops.....

To emphasize his point, he gave Gerson a copy of a memo he had written to President Richard M. Nixon, dated Sept. 10, 1969.

"Withdrawal of U.S. troops will become like salted peanuts to the American public; the more U.S. troops come home, the more will be demanded," he wrote.

The policy of "Vietnamization," turning the fight over to the South Vietnamese military, Kissinger wrote, might increase pressure to end the war because the American public wanted a quick resolution. Troop withdrawals would only encourage the enemy.

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/004956.html


Not everyone learned the same lesson.

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MoseyWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:24 PM
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1. Some people
who eat from the CFR and drink from the PNAC never learn.

They travel in a very small world, yet have managed to take over the entire government of the US. Including the fourth estate. The media.

Can everyone send a big handclapping welcome to another one of the people in this administration who is unable to travel to certain countries without being arrested for being a war criminal?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:24 PM
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2. Well. . THAT ought to keep everything
turning to shit as fast as it has been.

Just what we need is Kissinger doing what he did so well before.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:06 PM
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15. he's aways glad to chip in
Never far from a war crime, henry's got a knack for coincidence.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:27 PM
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3. Things in Iraq just went from fucked up to seriously out of control fucked
if that monster is advising Bush.

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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:28 PM
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4. Kissinger??!! WTF??!! Kissinger?!
I can't even wrap my brain around this one - how the hell can this guy even think he has anything to say about war and peace.

I'm just... staggered.

Un-fucking-believable!

:banghead:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:00 PM
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9. Oddly, I don't believe Kissinger was advising Bush on a regular basis
I JUST Don't Believe IT/

Cheney-maybe

but not bush
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:11 PM
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What do you know that Woodward doesn't know?
Maybe you should advise him to correct his book:
The president met privately with Kissinger every couple of months, making him the most regular and frequent outside adviser to Bush on foreign affairs.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:15 PM
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19. JudiLynn, IMO kissinger meeting with bush doesn't have the smell of truth
to it.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:11 PM
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17. Duplicate post. n/t
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 08:11 PM by Judi Lynn


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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:38 PM
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5. Lesson of VN was never, ever, let these nitwits in power again
Lesson of Iraq I and II is never, ever, trust a Bush...

So much for lessons :eyes:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:42 PM
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6. Why isn't that evil bastard HK dead yet? Is it his pact with Satan?
(and no, I don't actually believe in "Satan")

But honestly, it absolutely freaks me out that our country is still being subjected to the bloody machinations of this undead ghoul.

sw

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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:02 PM
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10. How nice
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 08:03 PM by Dudley_DUright
War criminal HK giving advice to our current war criminal-in-chief. :puke:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:08 PM
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16. The nightmare that just doesn't end... (nt)
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:11 PM
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18. Every day, I wake up with the Dorothy Parker's queston echoing in my head:
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 09:12 PM by Dudley_DUright
"What fresh hell is this?"
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:20 PM
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20. "What fresh hell is this?" - the perfect encapsulation of the bush years.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:43 PM
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7. Consulting Kissinger on war is like consulting Dahmer on recipes.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:06 PM
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14. I just gotta say, that's an extremely apt analogy. Well said. (nt)
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 07:58 PM
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8. DITTO
So KISSINGER is the scumbag directing this Iraq folly?

From "The Final Days", Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein

In Alexander Haig's presence, Henry Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy.

Now we know how AWOL-Bush, Five deferment Cheney, Rummy the Dummy, and ALL the rethug neocons feel about our troops.

BushCo needs to go to the Hague.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 09:26 PM
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21. Well, to be fair, Alexander haig is a "dumb, stupid animal to be used"
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:02 PM
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11. Now Iraq makes sense
that evil crazy fuck Kissinger is advising.
He is the definition of "no moral compass." What a joy it must be for him to have junior under his wing, blank slate that he is.
The world is his playground now.

This is bad.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:04 PM
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12. The definition of insanity. nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 08:05 PM
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13. I thought is was deja vu, instead it's a fucking nightmare.
Henry Fucking Kissinger. Wasn't this guy embalmed about thirty years ago?
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