There are more important stories than Foley, dammit!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

Geez Louise, I hate to write that title, but, dammit, there just are. Lala Rawraw needs out help and our collective voices raised for her and her relative. More details here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2274557

Please, people, this is important. Most of you know I never scold or wag my finger.

Lala needs our help. Bella needs our help.

We need every writer, every blogger and every webmaster on DU to get all over this story like ugly on an ape.

Those connected with the Democratic Party, Lurking Dem party temperature takers and Dem office candidates: pay close heed and start beating the drums. Call the right people and get them up to speed on this. Lala needs this. Bella needs this. The country needs this. If I might make so bold: You need this. A real issue.

Skinner and earlg: You can help too, with a go-to-hell big splash and banner. It's the right thing to do.

We can do this. We really can.

[Sydnie]

1. We can do both

We are able to multi-task. We should be doing both ... helping LaLa and following Foley and his story.

I agree. We need to help LaLa. Perhaps it's time for a DU Activists email/phone call/LTTE campaign for Bella and LaLa?

How about it admins?

[salin]

2. forgive me - I just added to that fray...

I just can't help but wonder if the story got out there right now, on purpose - to obfuscate coverage of several stories unfolding that completely undercut the GOP's only perceived edge going into the elections (the ridiculous, but oft bought notion, that they are good on "terror!" and "national security"). Funny how this story that has apparently been known by numerous players for months to a year, comes out after the NIE intel stories about the increase of terrorism due to the IRaq war & on the release of the Woodward book.

Sacrifice one GOP in order to grab all the coverage and try to save other GOP seats? Rovian GOPers wouldn't do anything like that... would they?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. Certain overheated writers...

Have said now, for years, that the ruling class has a strong Crowleyan vein running through it. They live by The Beast's credo "Everything is allowed. Nothing is forbidden" without really knowing what that truly means. Parrelels between Crowley and their demigod, Strauss, can be drawn, as well as parrelels with Illuminatism. Any time an elite class tries to establish it's power, they tend to turn to mysticism to validate their power. Parts of certain elite mystic traditions, especially the decadent ones, make much of ledgerdermane in all dealings.

Is your hypothesis possible? Absolutely. Is your hypothesis true? Possibly.

[salin]

5. I am so tired... so very tired

of this era. Always trying to figure out what they are doing in our name. Trying to figure out the current game so that it can hopefully be countered. And I am just an observer. I can not begin to understand how it must feel for some of the beleaguered dems on the Hill must be feeling - those actually who in theory (and who in an earlier era of congressional protocol) could have some power to try to stop the onslaught of horrid policies, wasteful policies, disasterous policies, dangerous policies, etc....

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. Ditto on the tired.

It is as if these venal bastards have sucked the air, the entrails and the very marrow out of this country.

But then, it is not surprising. That is always what these people do, when they get power.

[Imagevision]

3. I disagree, I believe that this is THE STORY, whataya blind?!!

There is no other story with this weight existing...!

[Little Star]

6. This is the story the freeps can understand!

I agree with you on the importance but also think Lala's, Habeas corpus etc. are equally important. Why do people here at DU not understand Foley IS important? :shrug:

[wtmusic]

8. Agree TS

"Foley" is going nowhere. Let's make a difference.

[cleveramerican]

9. if the allegations are true...

and republican leadership conspired to exclude the lone Dem on the page oversight committee from the Foley info a YEAR ago.This is the biggest story of the year and it's gonna take off.Yes,it may push some other worthy stories out of the spotlight, but the intense interest is well founded in the Foley matter.

[Bjorn Against]

12. Um, have you been paying attention to the Foley story

It could very likely force the Speaker of the House, the House Majority Leader, and the head of the Republican Congressional Campaign Committee to resign right before the elections.

This is a huge story, and while I agree there are many other stories of equal importance for right now we need to keep Foley on the front page because this scandel is growing quickly and we can not allow the Republicans to bury it and move on.

[smirkymonkey]

10. Thank you!

God, how many threads do we need on whether or not Foley is "technically" a pedophile. Move on, people.

[Bjorn Against]

13. We will move on once the GOP leadership resigns

It is looking like there is a serious possibility of that happening, but if we move on it will make it that much easier for them to survive.

[smirkymonkey]

22. I certianly don't think the issue should be dropped, but I think we

could do with a few less threads about the topic of pedophilia. Everytime there is an important topic, it seems like everyone needs to start their own personal thread on it instead of just contributing to the threads that are already there.

This is important in that it shows the hypocrisy of the "family value" republicans and how, like the Catholic Church, they turn a blind eye to sexual abuse and impropriety when it occurs in their own party. However, a hundred threads on the definition of "pedophile" aren't really getting us anywhere.

[Posteritatis]

11. And didn't we have habeas corpus repealed the other day?

I know that's probably a secondary concern to someone hitting on a 16-year-old, but realy now.

[diamidue]

14. Remember what brought Capone down.

I don't care WHAT issue it is - big or small - that brings these GOP thugs down. I say pursue them ALL until one hits home for good.

[dickthegrouch]

15. Foley is the more important story

Because it shows just how far the corruption extends and what the "powers" will do to protect their own.


Equal protection? Good propaganda.

People like Lala can't possibly expect decent treatment in a system largely controlled by hypocritical, lying, thugs who won't take responsibility for their own actions.

*WE* need to demand equal protection at all levels. Pages, immigrants, crooks, judges, congress-beasts.

If any one of them would go to jail for an offense, the others must too.

Foley needs to go to jail. Hastert needs to go to jail. Bush needs to go to jail

[glitch]

16. You are right and the ACLU, NLG and SPLC all need to be helping her

and the many others who are being victimized just like her. They and congress members should be called.

But the Foley story is actually quite big and more importantly very simple. It is black and white issue which the people who vote republican can understand.

The republican leadership covered up a pedophile preying on pages to Congress.

By covering him the republican leadership implicates every other republican in Congress. If he were a single offender, why would they need to cover for him? If they were really protectors of family why would they want to? Most parents can understand the implications of their acts without much thought at all.

I repeat: they can understand this issue without much thought at all. And from there perhaps finally be too ashamed to vote republican in five weeks. Which means we get our country back and the Bellas not only come home but are no longer threatened by these fucking fascists.

[Pachamama]

17. The Foley story is one of many that are important - the problem is that DU

has a system that "clogs" the freeway. Personally, there should be more division of "topics" for discussion under a category. So, for example, under "General Discussion" there should be discussion topics such as "Foley/GOP Sex Scandal" and "NIE findings" and "Iraq" and "State of Denial" and "Torture" etc.

Anyway, that way people could discuss freely what they want and to go to what they want and not have everything clogging the system. DU Administrators & Mods could also do a better job of combining similar topics that are repeating a lot of the same discussion and facts.

[Swamp Rat]

19. Yep

:hi:

[w4rma]

18. That issue is important, but not more important that Foley's pedophilia.nt

[deadparrot]

20. A US Representative verbally/sexually abusing a child is no small matter.

That said, I don't see why there can't be more than one "big" issue.

[Imagevision]

21. More important-Pelosi just asked for Foley shielders to testify under oath