Timmy said that one third of Abrahmoff's money went to dems...

[Webster Green]

Russert made that claim on 'Press The Meat' this morning.

That isn't the way I remember it, but I'm not inclined to go googling about this right now.

I suspect that comment was (at the very least) mis-leading.

[Warpy]

1. Timmy is a BIG FAT LIAR

I don't suppose he tried to back anything up, just made a flat statement.

Somebody's got to get out there and hold these LIARS accountable.

Karma's working too damn slow.

[samsingh]

2. timmy is being a disgusting liar and traitor again

that theory was proven wrong long ago.

but thanks for trying timmy you stupid shrill and idiot

[skids]

3. They are lumping...

...contributions directly from some of the same people that hired Abramoff with contributions actually arranged by Abramoff.

Old trick. They've been running that shell game since the story first broke.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

13. That's correct...

Many of Abramoff's victims (the Indian tribes that were swindled by Abromoff's activities) also gave money directly to some Democrats.

The difference between a connection to a bank robber and to the robber's innocent victims is so huge that even a drooling moron like Tim Russert should be able to recognize the difference. But Tim Russert is not ordinary, drooling moron. He's also a fucking liar.

[JDPriestly]

4. If you saw that you should e-mail or write Russert and ask him

to publish his sources, his evidence for that statement. Some of the donors who gave Abramoff money also gave to Democrats, but as I understand it, Abramoff did not direct any money to Democrats. If Russert has evidence to the contrary, he should make it public.

[MissWaverly]

12. Yes, Howard Dean actually said not one dime

went directly to Dems and he should know.

[Webster Green]

17. I will do that (n/t)

[Straight Shooter]

5. Here we go again ......

Distracting from the truth with a favorite lie.

If Jack had given money to the Dems, the Repubs would have been waving the proof around over and over and over by now. Try to get your facts straight, Russert. Your party is in enough trouble already.

[gulliver]

6. IIRC, no Abramoff money went to Dems.

Some Dems took money from Abramoff's Native American clients. It's a big difference, and Russert was very, very misleading here. Dems have a record of standing up for Native Americans, so contributions to the Dems were clean. Republicans got all of the really dirty direct-from-Abramoff money -- every cent. Bush alone got $200,000.

[Armstead]

7. I noticed that too

I think what Russert was doing -- either unconsciously or deliberatly -- was regurgitating the misleading spin the GOP spread about this a while back.

They factored in the donations to Democrats from Abramhoff clients, which included Native American tribes who used him to lobby for gambling interests. The misleading part is that Native Americans historically donated to Democrats for a variety of reasons which had nothing to do with Abrahmoff.

[Mr_Spock]

8. The comment is misleading at best and implies that he is a Republican

The psychology of such an ill-informed remark is indicative of that of a conservative.

I think it says a lot about Russert.

OTOH, the debate between DeWine & Brown was relatively balanced - I found it interesting to watch.

[annabanana]

9. Anyone got a clip of Dean slamming Wolfie (?)

on that lie that Dems took Abrahmoff $? (It WAS wolf wasn't it?)

[rocktivity]

16. Here's Dean smacking down

Wolfie AND Katie Couric on the Abramoff matter.

You're welcome.

:headbang:
rocknation

[annabanana]

21. thank you thank you. . I have a feeling this clip will be

useful in the coming days. .

[Cha]

24. Thanks rocknation! Dean does

know how the smack 'em down when they try and bring the Dems in when they're not guilty.

[rocktivity]

25. Sorry, here's the Dean-Couric link

http://www.crooksandliars.com/index.php?s=dean+couric

:blush:
rocknation

[driver8]

10. "Press the Meat"!! That's hilarious!! n/t

[blogslut]

11. I don't get MSNBC

...on my satellite package. Tell me, can you see the stick shoved up his ass, in the back of his throat when he talks?

[Mz Pip]

14. Not true

Some of Abramhoff's clients were Democrats and they gave him money for access. Nothing unusual about that since the Democrats aren't in power and it's a lot harder to get access to power.

The clients contributed ot Democrats because they were Democrats. Abramoff only gave money to Repugs, if I remember correctly.

This isn't about the clients. It's about what Abramoff did with the clients money.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Sydnie]

15. Brown didn't correct him either

That was the worst part of it, Brown didn't correct him but rather agreed with him on that point with his silence.

[Webster Green]

19. Yeah, that really pissed me off!

It was hard for him to get a word in edgewise with DeWine's endless blabbering.

[trof]

18. Here ya go:

Can't seem to reproduce it here. You'll have to go to the websites.
This chart shows about 2/3 to repugs, 1/3 to Dems.
BUT, and it's a BIG "but" those numbers include contributions not made directly by Abramoff. If Abramoff lobbied for Indian tribes but you got a campaign donation directly from the tribe, then there's no connection to Abramoff.

http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff.asp

This chart shows all contributions made by Abramoff and his wife. It's a damned LONG list, going all the way back to 1996. A quick scan shows ZERO Dem recipients. Every single individual or organization is repug.

http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jack_Abramoff.php

[11 Bravo]

20. I believe that he actually said that 1/3 of Abrahmoff's CLIENT'S money

went to Dems. Misleading as Hell, but technically true. Brown should have immediately responded that ALL lobbyists attempt to cover their client's bases on both sides of the aisle, but that 100% percent of Abrahmoff's PERSONAL contributions went to Repugs.

[annabanana]

22. Timmy needs to be reminded of the facts in the case!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6872152/

[subterranean]

23. As I recall, the tribes had been giving money to Democrats

before their association with Abramoff. After Abramoff began (mis-)representing them, they continued giving about the same amounts to Democrats, but their contributions to Republicans went way up.