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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:06 PM
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OAXACA RED ALERT! (Mexico resistance) DailyKos
Sun Oct 01, 2006 at 10:24:01 AM PDT

Right now, at this moment, the strikers of Oaxaca are
building huge barricades in the streets.
There have been military helicopters overheard since last
night, and word is that there are troops all around the
city.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/1/13241/8246
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:08 PM
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1. Not good
How can I see us suddenly sending troops to Mexico to help the conservative government.
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:50 PM
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15. What Troops???
They are all otherwise employed!!:nuke:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:09 PM
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MEDIA BLACKOUT! BASTARDS!
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:49 PM
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44. The revolution will not be televised, or did you miss that part?
Most damnable things go down with a whimper eventually
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:09 PM
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2. well, you could see this coming if you've been paying attention.
and it won't stop with resistance in oaxaca.

this business in mexico isn't going to be pretty.
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pooja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:10 PM
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3. This is so important.... This resistence could mean the survival
of the United States. Of course, the US is likely to be the one's bombing the shit out of these people. I'm telling you since Lou Dobbs said on Thurs. night the plans for the North American Union were well under way.. it is more and more important that Mexico, us, and canada resist. To combine throws away the constitution and sovereignty.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:14 PM
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4. kick
nt
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:14 PM
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5. No this is bad because it could give Bush a pretext...
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 01:15 PM by originalpckelly
to put troops in Mexico and they'll use the anti-illegal-immigration emotions of the US populace to justify it (don't want them to attack us in America so we'll fight em down there ya see.)

There is some really scary shit going on.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:35 PM
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12. My fear is that they would incite violence to warn against protest that
might occur here after anoother election theft.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:36 PM
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13. The pretext to round them up!
I doubt we have the forces available to supplement the Mexican Army, but air support isn't out of the question.

I see it more as a pretext to sweep up hispanics in the US.

-Hoot
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:55 PM
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20. and put them in internment camps
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 01:56 PM by formercia
built for a large flood of illegal aliens...

The will have to deal with the Gang Bangers. It's not going to be pretty.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 07:55 PM
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37. That would not go over well n/t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:58 PM
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43. LOL, like Cheney cares? n/t
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:56 AM
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52. Sweep up Hispanics?
That'd be a trick.

White people are a minority in so many places now. The poulation shifts that so many white racist Americans feared have already happened.


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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:18 PM
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59. Yes it would be a trick, but...
When has the sanity stopped them from trying something?

-Hoot
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:10 AM
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54. Don't you mean troops in the U.S. They are afterall our closest
neighbor. And we have an election coming up. Not to worry. We are fresh out of troops.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:19 PM
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6. Thanks so much for posting this, kansasblue.
I`ve been following the situation in Mexico on Democracy Now.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 03:04 PM
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29. democrank, Please keep us informed. Info is hard to fine
I've tried searching for news. We need someone in Mexico.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:20 PM
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7. How in GOD'S name can the media justify blacking out his story????
such bastards!
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:21 PM
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8. The immediate implication for the US is that this unrest could unleash a
wave of refugees.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:22 PM
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9. This Is Major
thanks for the head's up.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:26 PM
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10. Copter flyovers raise Mexico tourist town tensions (Reuters)
Sun 1 Oct 2006 2:29:07 BST
By Adriana Barrera

OAXACA, Mexico, Sept 30 (Reuters) - ..

Up to seven helicopters, some of a style used by the Mexican navy, flew low over the city's famed monasteries and central square.

Flavio Sosa, leader of the Popular Assembly of the People of Oaxaca, or APPO, an alliance of leftist groups organizing the protests, said a government official told him in a telephone call the helicopters were doing reconnaissance ..

"This is Fox's responsibility and it would be lamentable that he stains his hands with Oaxacan blood," said Sosa as activists singing protest songs filled Oaxaca's central square, until recently a quiet haven popular with tourists who drank the region's fiery Mezcal liquor in street cafes ..

Ambushes and paramilitary-style drive-by shootings have killed five activists since the conflict began more than four months ago. The activists say Ruiz ordered the shootings ..

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/CrisesArticle.aspx?storyId=N30254192&WTmodLoc=World-R5-Alertnet-3
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:30 PM
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11. Helicopters hover over Mexico's protest-torn Oaxaca (AP)
Helicopters hover over Mexico's protest-torn Oaxaca, sparking rumors troops may move in

The Associated Press
Published: October 1, 2006

.. A headline in the Mexico City daily Milenio proclaimed: "Preparations for war in Oaxaca" ..

But in May, tens of thousands of teachers seized the capital's leafy central plaza to demand wage increases.

In June, Gov. Ulises Ruiz sent police to attempt to retake the heart of the city. Since then, thousands of leftists, students and anarchists have joined striking teachers, building street barricades, burning buses and taking over radio and television stations.

They demand that Ruiz resign, alleging that he rigged the 2004 election and uses paramilitary gangs to attack dissidents ..

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/01/america/LA_GEN_Mexico_Oaxaca_Unrest.php


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:47 PM
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14. OH NO!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:52 PM
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16. Narco News has declared a red alert in Oaxaca, they are asking
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:13 AM
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47. One of those headlines said the Mex Gov't is preparing for War...
...that the helicopter flights are recon for the preparations. They are blockading the citizens in to contain it...

God, I hope this isn't the beginning of a genocide.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:20 AM
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55. Joanne, how do you pronounce Oaxaca?
I was telling my so about this and stumbled over it.
is it

Oh-ZACK-ah

?
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:19 PM
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63. I was told "wa-HA-ka"
In other words, you pronounce every letter but the "x" sounds like a "h". Think of the way the natives pronounce Mexico "may-HI-co."

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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:27 PM
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64. thank you.
I haven't heard anything on the tv news about this (surprise surprise) so had no idea.

still working on
Och-ma-DINEE-jhad, too!
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:53 PM
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17. Here's the latest I have from my friend, George, in Oaxaca

From : George Salzman <george.salzman@umb.edu>
Sent : Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:34 PM
To : undisclosed-recipients:
Subject : Continuing psychological warfare? Or an imminent attack against the teachers and APPO?



Oaxaca, Saturday 30 September 2006

Friends,
I do not know whether this is only another of the many threats or whether the government has become so desperate that it is about to begin a bloody assault in an attempt to terrorize the people of Mexico into submission. The message that follows, from Alvaro Ricárdez Scherenberg, is not the first urgent note from him. A few nights ago he reported receiving word from important people in Mexico City that the police were set to clear the Oaxaca City center (meaning to drive out all the protestors camping there) in the early hours of the following morning. That did not happen. However, what he reports below I also witnessed. Two military helicopters repeatedly circled the city. I took pictures but have not yet downloaded them to my computer.

Two days ago I talked with a woman teacher at an encampment set up to protect one of the radio stations that the movement controls. At that planton (guard camp), she told me, all the campers were teachers, all were indigenous of two groups, Zapotecs from the Sierra Juarez (in the northern Sierra), where she was from, and Mixtecas from the Mixteca Alta region to the northwest of Oaxaca City. I told her I was worried that the government might launch an attack, to which she replied that if it came to that, she and her companeros would all die. I assure you they want a peaceful resolution, and that it is the government that is trying to provoke violence. I hope we can spread the word outside of Mexico sufficiently to help deter the government from following such a bloody course. The psychological attacks are bad enough, but if they start heavy-duty shooting it'll be a terrible bloodbath.

George
__________________________________________

All comments and criticisms are welcome. <george.salzman@umb.edu>

If you want me to add or remove your name from my “large”
e-mail distribution list, please let me know.
_____________________________________________

Subject: Inminent attack from the Mexican Federal Goverment to civil organizations
From: Alvaro Ricárdez Scherenberg <montecarmleg@yahoo.com.mx>
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:55:02 -0500 (CDT)
To: Nancy Davis <nmsdavies@yahoo.com>, Helen Gambon <chacopee@hotmail.com>, Toni Mello <toneemello@hotmail.com>, George Salzman <george.salzman@umb.edu>
CC: tb-petitions@ohchr.org, hri@hri.ca, dh@derechos.org

Please dear Sirs.
It is very important to send mails to all your contacts saying that at exactly at 4:50 minutes Saturday afternoon , September the 30th, helicopters from the Mexican Marine Corps and the PFP (Federal Preventive Police), started overflying downtown Oaxaca, Mexico, trying to intimidate its citizens revolting against its corrupt Government. On the Oaxacan Peoples Popular Assembly (APPO) radio, it was asked to all citizens to remain calm, not to start violence and to send phone, mail and voice messages to all authorities and people who could act as witnesses to this attack. So please, do it!
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:18 AM
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50. Wouldn't it be wise to remove the email addies from this?
I wouldn't want your friends to be compromised or put at additional risk by their names & addresses just hanging out here.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:56 AM
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57. Mexican Air Force against Oaxaca Teachers (from Prensa Latina)
Mexican Air Force against Oaxaca Teachers

Mexico, Oct 2 (Prensa Latina) Authorities from the Secretary of Government of Mexico announced on Monday that next Wednesday they will define a way to restore order in Oaxaca state, with military interference possible.

During the weekend, the threat of interference by troops increased, after military planes and helicopters were identified flying over the capital of that district.

Sources say those flights were routine, and official Carlos Abascal, in direct communication with cabinet of public security, asserted that the exercise will depend on the response to the announcement delivered last Friday to peacefully reopen relations.

The government proposal was officially passed on to the Oaxaca Peoples Popular Assembly (APPO), offering a 25 thousand peso budget increase to boost Oaxaca teachers to the same level as the rest of the country and development of that zone, but still has received no response.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B4A6AFA38-4E6D-4CB9-AC1F-4996A084B093%7D)&language=EN
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:53 PM
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18. I have in laws in Oaxaca. They have been frantic.
:(

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:56 PM
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21. I hope they will be safe
Hug to you and to them.
:hug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:51 PM
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27. Thank you. Theyve been afraid to just do their errands, like
grocery shopping. What a mess.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 03:27 PM
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31. The more eyes we can get to focus on this, the better chance
for a safe resolution.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:10 PM
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24. Long list of Mexican consulate offices in U.S. to contact
in this dkos post:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/1/12147/3545

Preventing Bloodshed in Mexico
by wdg363
Sun Oct 01, 2006 at 09:01:47 AM PDT

<snip>

Meanwhile, there has been almost no coverage of the situation in the U.S. media, apart from a few articles by Reuters. The Mexican government may feel that no one in the U.S. is paying attention. Whatever the complexities of the situation, a bloodbath in Oaxaca won't resolve anything. Please contact your local Mexican consulate or embassy and let them know that the world is watching. Ask them (courteously) to continue working towards a peaceful resolution. There is a list below of Mexican consulates and embassies in the U.S., including email addresses for most of them. Please spend five minutes sending a short message.

If the media isn't going to cover this important story, letting the Mexican government know that they're being observed, it's up to everyone else. People from Oaxaca make up one of the largest groups of Mexican immigrants in the U.S. It's not just another news story taking place in a foreign country - it directly affects us here at home as well.

<snip>
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:54 PM
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19. Here is an excellent article about Oaxaca, written two days ago:
http://www.narconews.com/Issue43/article2102.html

"Oaxaca is the Football, and the PRI, PAN and PRD Are Kicking it Around: None of Them has Figured Out a Way to Score"

The writer, Nancy Davies, is in Oaxaca and provides good detail on the mood and the politics there. Millions of people in the state support the striking teachers and ouster of the governor, and she is inclined to believe that a political solution (involving reform) will be reached. Fox/Calderon are not in a strong political position to bring down the fascist boot. And they just can't control that many protesters. It will mean an on-going battle, with many kinds of resistance--and heavy repression against Oaxacans will cause uprisings elsewhere, and even more support for the protesters. (This already happened once--the June police raid on the striking teachers sparked the Oaxaca uprising.) This is something the business community does NOT want (an on-going battle), but only a few seem to want it solved by repression. Compromise and reform is the answer, for all sides. And keep in mind that Mexico is not the U.S. The Mexican people are much better organized than we are. And they have a more recent revolutionary tradition. They will not easily be stopped (in their demand for reform). It would involve major bloodshed, and the Fox/Calderon government would fall. I tend to think Davies is right.

www.narconews.com is an excellent source of info. They have a banner right now: "The APPO (Oaxacan alternative government) declares a RED ALERT in Oaxaca: We ask all our readers to remain vigilant." Can't find anything more there.

I've read the rest of the dkos post. dkos also cites the Davies article, but says it's two days old, and the situation has changed.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 01:59 PM
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22. Here's the latest Nancy Davies report
Oaxaca is the Football, and the PRI, PAN and PRD Are Kicking it Around
None of Them has Figured Out a Way to Score


By Nancy Davies
Commentary from Oaxaca
September 29, 2006

OAXACA CITY: With so many big feet in the game, the Oaxaca population is getting battered. The latest was the alarm for the arrival of the Federal Preventive Police, who in fact are present, in quarters. If ordered to do so by President Fox, they will come in with maximum force and “clean up.” How exactly that could happen, I don’t know, because “cleaning” the zocalo would disperse no more than a few thousand people. Blockades are in many areas , at the radio stations and government buildings, and would all have to be attacked simultaneously to minimize citizen support in any one place. The popular teachers’ movement most likely contains two million sympathizers within the state, and sympathizers in neighboring states as well.

My reasoning against attack may be too simple. There are three and half million in the state: the nation’s largest indigenous population, the nation’s largest teachers union, and the nation’s poorest, or close to it. Put it all together and it spells trouble for a repressive force. More, I would say, not like kicking a hard ball but like squeezing a balloon.

The morning of Thursday, September 27 after the latest terror-tunes were heard, I walked as usual down to the zocalo for a look-see. This was supposed also to be the first of two days of a work-stoppage by the business community. I have not yet figured out why they would want to do that, and I suspect they haven’t either. Some ask for federal forces to intervene for law and order, some ask for the federal government to take Ulises Ruiz Ortiz (“URO”) out of the state government, some ask for the federal forces to intervene on behalf of human rights and thus on behalf of the movement, some would frankly appreciate the establishment of military law. Nobody likes URO, nobody wants bloodshed or perpetual war. No wonder President Fox doesn’t want to do anything. In these contradictions, it’s a lose-lose decision.

Only the popular teachers’ movement remains consistent, demanding the ouster of URO.

So, the work stoppage. The buses and taxis were running, and the normal stall-and-crawl traffic was wending down the main north-south street. No work stoppage there. I made it into the area of the “blockades”, which in this part of the city consists, in daytime hours, of many women sitting on the ground with their embroidery. I dropped off some photos from the USA, of teachers in sympathy. Big smiles.

In the zocalo, the first thing I noticed was the smell of fried bananas, a sweet odor that can be recognized for a city block. The food vendors, the CD vendors, the fruit, soda, water, popsicle, clothing, salad bowl and jewelry vendors were spread around the sidewalks surrounding the kiosk where the usual banners hang. On three sides the tourist cafes were closed – no cappuccino today, but since no tourists were present either, it was irrelevant. The small super-market was open as usual. The little shops – maybe three were closed, despite the grand headline by Noticias that 6,000 businesses would be shut down. What I think happened is that 6,000 signed up, and when morning arrived with still no attack by the Federal Preventive Police (PFP) force, they shrugged and opened up. The big central market stood open, with a sheepish sign saying “We will close for one of the two days of the work-stoppage.” Tomorrow, I guess.

I stopped at the movement tables to get some word on what had happened during the night. I guess I’m the only one in Oaxaca who slept poorly. Nothing happened.

The teachers voted again last week to maintain their strike until URO goes. This was followed on September 27 by the most recent teachers’ vote in their assembly, again, not to return to the classrooms until URO leaves. The teachers also demand the release of the movement’s political prisoners: Germán Mendoza Nube, Evangelio Mendoza González, Catarino Torres Pereda and Ramiro Aragón Pérez. No change there.

The APPO foot march – Oaxaca to Mexico City – changed its route to prudently avoid the state of Puebla, where resides one of the governors who is thought to be “domino numero uno” if URO goes. The marchers have been fed and brought water and fruit along the way, both by local people and by the vans the APPO sends. They sleep indoors or in vans, off the ground. A photo in Noticias shows them accompanied by an open truckload of soldiers, who don’t appear to be hostile. Nevertheless, the APPO has designated a contingent of members to walk ahead of the two to three thousand people on the road, to act as a “guard.” They are armed with the usual sticks and pipes.

I headed out of the zocalo for two blocks and saw some shops closed and some open. I rewarded one of the open shops, which has a chain competitor, with a purchase of two glass beer mugs, setting me back four US dollars. Then I went home to read the newspapers.

Teachers declare “maximum alert” was the headline. At the very same time, the Secretary of Internal Affairs, Carlos Abascal Carranza, stated “we are neither anticipating nor ruling out the use of federal forces”. What’s going on?

The URO’s Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) has only the power of alliance, it’s too small now to carry off anything on its own.

The President Fox’s National Action Party (PAN) needs the PRI to beat back a surge against its president-elect Felipe Calderon whose victory the left-wing Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) believes was fraudulent. If the PAN lets URO fall, that would be taken as a sign that the PAN won’t support any of the other PRI officials whose heads would roll if a popular movement sweeps the country. Thus far, historical political rivals the PRI and the PAN have been united by their common fear of a widespread uprising of some kind led by López Obrador. On the other hand, Fox has been reluctant to overtly support the unpopular URO.

The PRD is quick to point out what is going on. If the PAN cuts loose the PRI, it cannot out-vote the PRD.
The PRD, we may recall, was formed not two decades ago, mostly by dissident PRI members, so it’s not as if the PRD is the knight in shining armor. That is to say, it knows how to kick the ball.

Many of the Oaxaca APPO back the PRD, and expect to be backed in return. This puts pressure on the PRD. But many of the APPO follow other political currents, many to the left of López Obrador, who, after all, is another capitalist in populist mode. What kind of currents? Well, the APPO itself is a movement without political pretensions. It’s in a daily battle to rein in the socialist, communists, Trotskyites, and PRD elements, along with adherents to the Zapatista Other Campaign, so that a focus will be placed on its own popular assemblies.

It is the APPO politic that attracts the indigenous and campesino adherents. The socialists tend to be urban intellectuals. The APPO model is being presented in other states, and the APPO has sent out delegates to further that work, much as have the Zapatisas to further their position.

Of the above named groups, all have a political agenda with a clear political leader or aspirant thereto, except for the Zapatistas. Like the Zapatistas, the APPO is horizontal in structure, or at least it’s trying to be. The “movement leaders” supposedly are dispensable, and like the union assemblies, from which the teachers move their consensus up the ladder from the base, this is what the APPO is all about. That’s why the teachers, the Zapatistas and the APPO fit. The issues of each group, not the method, constitute their differences. Nevertheless they all are concerned with the poverty of the many and the wealth of the few, and the disregard for the indigenous population. The APPO is openly anti-neoliberal, as are the Zapatisas

So what’s a political party to do? La Jornada had a headline September 26 that read: “The renunciation of Ulises Ruiz was never considered in the meeting carried out at Los Pinos” (between URO and Fox). Huh? We also read that URO was offered once or twice a face-saving kick upstairs to federal office, but declined. He wants to stay as state governor.

So Fox and the PRI governors have a new political strategy, which as I read it, sounds like buying off the struggle. Written in La Jornada by Rosa Elvira Vargas: “…a new political strategy to resolve the conflict in Oaxaca… consists of a new economic proposal to the teachers of Section 22… and in an offer to the organizations making up the APPO, to reform various laws and local institutions and solve specific political problems, like the liberation of political prisoners.” It took 11 governors and more than two hours to conceive of this plan: “An integral package which takes care of the demands of the teachers’ Section 22. Second, attending to the social claims and a profound political reform: what the prisoners of Loxicha demand, what the APPO demands, the businesses, all of that is on the Oaxaca agenda. Third, the coordinated, respectful responsible action of all the governments – municipal, state, federal – seeking what is the best policy and the agreements to resolve this conflict.”

A package of reforms of institutions, electoral methods and a transparency law was presented. Along with this was the idea that somehow URO would be monitored by the federal authorities, sort of a governor’s house arrest procedure.

This incentive package was followed by claims and disclaimers regarding the use of federal forces. Fox is saying that he’ll resolve the Oaxaca crisis before he leaves office. Maybe.

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:03 PM
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23. Here's two more news report.
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 02:05 PM by Joanne98
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:18 PM
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32. The International Herald Tribune article is much more prejudiced against
the protesters than I would have expected from the IHT. Almost hysterical in tone. A typical device of this kind of "journalism" is to say that people have been killed and injured in "confrontations between protesters and police" but not who did the killing and injuring (in Oaxaca, the police--the protesters have been very non-violent). Look for it. It's a key to corporate agendas in news stories like this. And that's what the IHT does here.

The Prensa article is much more straigtforward and informative. And, based on its report, I would say that a bloody assault on the people of Oaxaca is about to take place. They have only asked for justice--the removal of an onerous, violent and illegitimately elected governor, decent teachers' salaries and reform. They are supported by millions of people in the state and around the country. They have not harmed ANYONE. And a violent move against them will be a very bad mistake by the Fox/Calderon government. It will backfire. It is possible that they only want to establish intimidating conditions for talks on a compromise. Let's hope that's all it is. But it does not look good.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:22 PM
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25. We all saw this coming
the question now is to put this key in the appropriate shaped Republican lock.

Of course, election fraud is the door. But so is immigration reform, fair wages, and a large part of the progressive platform.

The real challenge will be to keep these stories at the forefront of the debate.

This will be particularly so if Karl's next surprise is Iran.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:43 PM
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26. OOPS! DUPE DELETED
Edited on Sun Oct-01-06 02:44 PM by Wiley50
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 02:56 PM
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28. K&R.nt
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 03:15 PM
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30. Kicked for the Revolution!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 05:19 PM
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33. I fear a massacre..
This is so bad.
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LiberalUprising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 06:07 PM
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34. kick
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AztecGringo Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 06:11 PM
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35. Wife just finished talking to SISTER IN OAXACA
I am married to a Oaxacan woman and she just got off the phone with her sister in Oaxaca. It is very tense. She is on the front lines in the sense of being highly involved and stories are shuddering. Intresting insight is that stories of EPR Rebels in the mountains appearing about a month ago and professing willingness to fight with the APPO in the event of military maneuvers was actually a government-planned stunt carried out with soldiers portraying insurgents.

Anyway, I have included some links and I am also a member of a YAHOO group where I get daily e-mails with bilingual information from Oaxaca city.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oaxacastudyactiongroup/

Excellent source of news is the following:

narconews.com


You can also listen to Radio APPO which, according to family, is being listened to by people for status reports within the city:

http://www.asambleapopulardeoaxaca.com/

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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:08 PM
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38. This could lead to a full blown Mexican civil war.
I can't think Obrador supporters will take a slaughter in Oaxaca lying down.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:12 AM
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49. kick & r and viva la mexico!!..fight ..but be safe!! ..n/t
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AztecGringo Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 06:18 PM
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36. PROTEST TUESDAY, 10/3/06 in Los Angeles
Found this on my Yahoo Group e-mail this morning:

PLANTON Y VIGILIA

Plantón Frente al Consulado General de México en Los Angeles (Parkview/6thSt
.)

Martes, 3 de octubre, 2006 @ 8:00 a.m.-9:30 p.m.

*Sit-in in front of the Mexican Consulate in Los Angeles*

*Tuesday October 3rd, 2006 @ 8:00a.m.-9:30 p.m.*

Ese mismo dia llega al Districto Federal la marcha caminata de la APPO para
exigir la salida de Ulises Ruiz Ortiz.

This same day, the march-walk of the APPO from Oaxaca to D.F. arrives in the
capital to demand the ousting of PRI Govenor, Ulises Ruiz Ortiz.

Convoca: Frente Amplio en Solidaridad con Oaxaca
Called by: The Broad Front in Solidarity with Oaxaca

Para más info: (323) 806-2198 o al (323) 286-5243
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:44 PM
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39. My friends' daughter is there.
She's a college student who went there to study grassroots political movements.
This is terrible news, but thank you for sharing it nonetheless.
:scared:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:08 AM
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46. Well, she is certainly getting an education...
...yikes. I hope she gets through this safely.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:48 PM
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40. K & R!
:kick:
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:43 PM
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41. Kick & recommending
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:46 PM
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42. K&R
:kick:
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:58 AM
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45. Kick & Rec n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 02:59 AM
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48. Thanks for the update Kansasblue...
...long time no see...:hi:

The movement in Oaxaca is all prt of the Mexican Democracy movement, the most exciting post world war II political and social movement (imhp).
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 03:42 AM
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51. Yes, and we have to keep this in mind. The fascists can no more stop
this social justice and democracy movement in Mexico than they could stop it in Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia--with more leftist (majorityist) governments coming in Eduador, and Peru (next election cycle) and Nicaragua. Even the president of Columbia is talking of Hugo Chavez as "my brother." It is the future. It is like a powerful ocean wave. You can throw rocks at it, but it will not be affected. You can even try to pile rocks up in a breakwater. But it will move in, under, over and around them, and will eventually erode them and knock them over. It is the vast population of the poor and the brown of Latin America, and their allies in leftist politics--often brutally repressed by US-backed governments--finally coming into their own as a political force, and demanding rightful participation in their governments, and achieving it through long hard work on TRANSPARENT elections.

It is a powerful tide. It is unstoppable. And it's hilarious to see the Bushites and the Corporatists trying to build a wall across the Mexican border to keep it at bay.

As the new and first indigenous president of Bolivia, Evo Morales, has said: "The time of the people has come."

Those words fire up the soul, don't they? Like some of our own. We hold these truths to be self-evident....

And from these impassioned and brilliant people of the south, we will re-learn what democracy is all about.

Viva la revolución!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:45 PM
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61. ...and the time is right. GREAT line..
"It is like a powerful ocean wave. You can throw rocks at it, but it will not be affected."

Calderon is a rock, and not a very big one;)

Here's a pic from one of the gatherings in Zocalo, Mexico City. I don't think that they like Calderon:

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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 02:24 PM
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65. The USA is next in that line of dominos...
Pray the fascists here don't take a stand that engulfs both nations in civil war.

:scared:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:07 AM
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53. Shit! I've been wondering what was happening there!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:28 AM
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56. Hey! Here's a Flickr Page
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:00 PM
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58. Thanks for posting these!
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:29 PM
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60. kick
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 01:15 PM
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62. kick.
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