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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:34 AM
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Are Americans Aware That The US Is Running More Than One GITMO?
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 10:34 AM by leftchick
Are Congress people aware?? As a matter of fact Bagram may even be worse than GITMO (and Abu Ghraib) given the torture stories coming from ex-inmates there and at least two reported deaths by torture.

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During his imprisonment at the compound, Mustafa estimated that he was interrogated about 25 times. Sometimes, he said, the soldiers forced him to kneel on a concrete floor with a bag over his head. Other times they woke him from sleep or interrupted him in prayer. He said he occasionally heard detainees screaming and concluded that they were being beaten. Then one day, he recalled, “an American soldier took me blindfolded. My hands were tightly cuffed, with my ears plugged so I could not hear properly, and my mouth covered so I could only make a muffled scream. Two soldiers, one on each side, forced me to bend down, and a third pressed my face down over a table. A fourth soldier then pulled down my trousers. They rammed a stick up my rectum.”

Mustafa said that he was not told why he was brutalized. “The Americans never said anything about why they were doing it to me, so I had to think for many hours and days later, to try to work out what was going through their minds,” he told Stafford Smith, pressing the tips of his broad fingers together. “I think maybe they wanted to make me so embarrassed that it would live with me for the rest of my life.” He said other prisoners told him that they had experienced similar treatment.

Americans, and the world, have become accustomed to accounts like Mustafa’s in connection with Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison. But his story hints at another scandal—one that has received little sustained media attention and sparked no public outrage. Over the past three years, numerous reports—from Afghan and American human rights groups, and from the Pentagon itself—have documented allegations of abuse inside U.S. compounds in Afghanistan. Hundreds of prisoners have come forward, often reluctantly, offering accounts of harsh interrogation techniques including sexual brutality, beatings, and other methods designed to humiliate and inflict physical pain. At least eight detainees are known to have died in U.S. custody in Afghanistan, and in at least two cases military officials ruled that the deaths were homicides. Many of the incidents were known to U.S. officials long before the Abu Ghraib scandal erupted; yet instead of disciplining those involved, the Pentagon transferred key personnel from Afghanistan to the Iraqi prison. “Had the investigation and prosecution of abusive interrogators in Afghanistan proceeded in a timely manner,” Human Rights Watch executive director Brad Adams noted in an open letter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld last fall, “it is possible that…many of the abuses seen in Iraq could have been avoided.”

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/03/03_2005_Bazelon.html


Please Rate This Up....http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061001/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan_prison

Inmates detail U.S. prison near Kabul

KABUL, Afghanistan - Capt. Amanullah, a former mujahedeen commander, smooths his black beard with his palm and gives a deep and ironic laugh as he recounts his 14 miserable months in Bagram, the U.S. prison for terror suspects in Afghanistan.

"There were lots of stupid questions and accusations with no proof," said the 56-year-old veteran of combat against the Soviet occupation. He insists he was there only because Afghan rivals lied about him to the U.S. Army.

He's far from alone in his assertion of innocence — or his inability to make that heard for so long. Like many who have passed through the secretive jail set up after the fall of the Taliban regime, Amanullah found himself entangled in a system where he had no protection and no rights, and not even the pressure of public scrutiny that helped inmates at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or Abu Ghraib, Iraq.

"There's been a silence about Bagram, and much less political discussion about it," said Richard Bennett, the chief U.N. human rights officer in Afghanistan.

Originally intended as a short-term holding pen for al-Qaida and Taliban suspects later shipped to Guantanamo, Bagram has expanded and acquired its own notoriety over abuse allegations though attracting much less international attention than the U.S. detention facility in Cuba.



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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 10:52 AM
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1. Alphabetically, what countries are we torturing people in?
Afghanistan
Cuba (U.S. property)
Egypt
Iraq
Poland
Romania (Rumania)
United Kingdom (Diego Garcia island - Camp Justice - leased/sold? to the U.S. by the British Indian Ocean Territory)

Can you add to these?

What kind of karma is present for the innocent inhabitants of country where torture is taking place? What kind of karma is present for the citizens of a country who conducts and orchestrates the torture and protects the torturers?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:00 AM
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2. Syria
That one really gets to me. I thought Syria was our enemy?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:10 AM
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4. Yeah we still haven't even gotten that question asked
:shrug:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:16 AM
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5. amazing isn't it?
first gonzo denies the US sent Arar to Syria for torture. Then he gets caught in the lie and has to backtrack. And NO ONE asks why the fuck are we sending people to a country we supposedly hate because of their "terrorist ties"??? I can only wish to live in a country with a real media and real journalists. :puke:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:01 AM
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3. Hungary
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:01 AM by me b zola
Here's a link to the Pres of Hungary outing bush*s private torture chamber:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1501123
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:17 AM
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6. OK, here's an updated list.
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:42 AM by higher class
Afghanistan
Cuba (U.S. property/leased?)
Egypt
Hungary
Iraq
Poland
Romania (Rumania)
Syria
United Kingdom (Diego Garcia island - Camp Justice - leased/sold? to the U.S. by the British Indian Ocean Territory)

Have you ever wondered how the meetings were run when we were signing up coalition partners after 9-11? Specifically, later when countries started backing out.

In the beginning, did some countries say we can't give you money, but we'll supply soldiers or bullets or some trucks?

Later, did we buy their coalition partnership and give them some of the missing DOD money in exchange for operating the prisons?

Which government employees would conduct the negotiations?
Did Rice and Negroponte before her travel to meet with them to pave the way?
Did George himself ask for the 'services' on official State visits?
Did they then turn it over to underlings to work out the details?
Which ones - DOD, NSC, State, CIA?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:23 AM
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7. How many people would have knowledge about setting them up and
how many would know about the physical work and physical torturing?

An easy answer - would be the 'minimum'.

But strategically, how many?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:26 AM
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8. I am betting on rummy and cheney doing the torture negotiations
condi couldn't negotiate her way out of a bag. Remember rummy making a tour of some of those countries? Also Uzbekistan when we had a base there? Now that I think of it anywhere the US has a base there is probably torture. :(

Also, I believe we are paying Cuba rent for Gitmo, the US doesn't own it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 11:47 AM
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9. i read this last night. i think we need to be aware what clinton was
Edited on Mon Oct-02-06 11:47 AM by seabeyond
up to also when addressing this. so we are not blindsided



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/04/60minutes/main678155.shtml
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-02-06 12:50 PM
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10. oh I agree
thanks for the link!
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