So... Rice (Bush Administration) Allowed 9-11 to Happen

[stepnw1f]

Me thinks they wanted it to happen. The evidence has become overwhelming....

Looks like those "conspiracy nuts" were right all along.

[fooj]

1. Like I've always said...

I wear my hat proudly...:tinfoilhat:

[BrklynLiberal]

5. Me too. Always did. Always will.

:tinfoilhat:

[goclark]

16. Hat still on

IMO, that means we don't drink kool aid.

We are able to see various sides of issues, especially when someone wants us to believe the Nazi position.

We are the "Why does that have to be so, why can't it be bla bla bla!"


Hat on tight.

Have you noticed the wording in Condi's replies regarding the meeting...
She is so dumb she thinks she can fool us ----


She can't recall, "such a meeting" = it wasn't really a meeting where everybody sits down. They were standing up and talking.


In Condi World that is a big difference!

[Generic Other]

37. Yeah, we knew this all along

That stuff got dug up in 2001 on DU. About the same time the FBI was finding Atta's passport on top of the pile of rubble that was WTC. Honestly, most Americans have a lot of catching up to do.

I like your hat. Mind if I wear one too?

:tinfoilhat:

[Search Party]

2. imo

this is the issue the dems should be pounding relentlessly.

hard to defend.

condi will break, she is the weakest link.

[Botany]

3. Condi sure "picks her words" with care

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/02/ap/politics/mainD8KGJN3O0.shtml

The meeting about an attack might have happened but I don't remember .... C Rice

"I remember that George was very worried and he expressed that," Rice told reporters.
"We were all very worried because the threat reporting was quite intense. The problem
was that it was also quite nebulous."

Read the rest she admits to it but not remembering "stuff."

[walldude]

15. Ok so let me see if I have this right

They were all very worried about the "intense threat reporting" but it was vague so they did nothing? :mad:

[Botany]

17. she did something

in late August or early Sept. 2001 she told her friend, San Francisco Mayor
Willie Brown not to fly on commercial airlines.

[Pastiche423]

59. OMG

It was condi that called Willie B (da Mayor)?

[BuyingThyme]

63. That's a great story, but total nonsense.

They don't even know each other.

Willie got his "call" after the first plane hit.

[shanti]

66. why don't you think they know each other?

state politics are very insular. they knew each other, trust.

[BuyingThyme]

69. He said so. Believe it or not, not all black people know each other.

[shanti]

76. really!

:eyes: there aren't that many black people in positions of power, the ones that are DO know each other.

believe it or not.

[Homer Wells]

29. Seems to me a strange break in protocol

for Condi to be referring to the President as "George". As far as I have heard, it is de rigeur for even the pResident to be referred to as the "President" when speaking on record for the press.
Just sounds a bit 'familiar" to me, but ,maybe I am just picking at nits?

:smoke:

[Beausoleil]

30. Tenet, I think.

I think she was talking about George Tenet. I don't think Bush was "worried".

[Homer Wells]

40. Ooooooooooo-I see

My Bad there-took it out of context, (or perhaps that was just wishful thinking on my part).
Not too happy with Condi these days-LOL


:hi:

[gully]

74. "We weres so 'worried' that W needed a vacation."

:eyes:

[Nimrod2005]

4. YES............nt

[City Lights]

6. One LIHOPer checking in.

:hi:

No :tinfoilhat: needed.

[blm]

10. add another - just not dumb enough to be a coincidence theorist.

I know too much about the BFEE's operations over the 40 plus years to believe in coincidence anymore.

[EVDebs]

33. Wargames and Ptech (now GoAgile) did it for me...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2265094&mesg_id=2272540

[Stephanie]

42. I was LIHOP before LIHOP was cool.

Seriously, between "New Pearl Harbor," George and Dick's month-long August 2001 vacations, and George Tenet's hair on fire, it's patently obvious. Who didn't know this?

[CJCRANE]

7. It's been obvious all along.

It just takes time for the political consensus and MSM narrative to catch up.

[displacedtexan]

8. I think BushCo didn't think Bin Laden would attack here.

I thin they were expecting an attack overseas somewhere, which they could
use to start their wars.

When it happened here, they were unprepared.

Just my observation.

The biggest piece of the puzzle is still missing, IMHO: the Cheney
Energy task Force meeting minutes. I think Bush was negotiating with
the same guys he now calls "tairrists."

[Cooley Hurd]

21. I think they pictured it going down as "traditional" hijackings...

...with a bit of suicide bombing in the mix. In their sick friggin' minds, they probably calculated 400-500 dead, tops - "collateral damage" they likely thought to themselves. And, when it happened, they could solve their oil pipeline problems in Afghanistan.

:grr:

[Ezlivin]

45. I might be LIHOP but for these two images

That shows WTC 7 collapsing in its own footprint. Notice how the lightly damaged building (not hit by any aircraft) falls straight down.

Contrast that image with the one of WTC 3 which sustained extremely heavy damage and yet somehow remained standing with no collapse.

[verse18]

25. What about that pesky PDB?

August 6, 2001-Bin Laden determined to strike in the US. Any real president would have taken this warning seriously and been prepared.

[ComerPerro]

36. You're right that the Energy Task Force from summer 2001

is the most important piece of the puzzle.


Wonder why it was sealed off forever....

[barb162]

55. I agree. There is no evidence to suggest it was going to happen

in the US let alone the targets

[cmf]

73. "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US"

When they got that presidential daily briefing, they knew that the strike was going to happen here. Still they did nothing. They let Al Qaeda strike within the US on purpose.

[Initech]

9. As a tin-foil hatter, I've been saying this since day one.

[Dhalgren]

11. Me too. This had "Reichstags Fire" written all over it...

[Initech]

50. What's interesting is reading Newsweek from 9/10

Not even the day before 9/11 people HATED Bush because of the fall out from the "election". And they werent afraid to show it. Now we have assholes like Bill O'Reilly going on TV telling us to "watch what we say". Any coincidence?

[Initech]

49. (no message)

[Old and In the Way]

12. Lets start with gross incompetence and outright perjury.

In a September 25 interview, Rice told the New York Post, "We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida," adding that, "Nobody organized this country or the international community to fight the terrorist threat that was upon us until 9/11."


See this: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20...

Smoking gun from 1/25/01:

"Attached is the year-end 2000 strategy on al Qida developed by the last administration to give to you. Also attached is the 1998 strategy. Neither was a "covert action only" approach."

[Subdivisions]

13. Guilty! I'm a LIHOPer!

I believe they let it happen and the Patriot Act was just another reason to think so.

There are just too many unanswered questions about 9/11. And they're not stupid conspiratorial questions. They are legitimate questions about everything from why 4"-thick WTC steel columns were geometrically cut and melted, a condition well-known in professional demolition circles, to the recent revelations that some meetings were not reported to the 9-11 Commission simply due to convenient amnesia by the sec state.

[judaspriestess]

14. I firmly believe and will not waiver that this admin

let 9-11 happen. The strongest indicator for me, is planes flying for an hour in a opposite direction and no one knowing about it? Yeah right, I as a former flight attendant who was trained about hijackings wholeheartedly disagrees

[ljm2002]

18. Totally agree...

...that is the strongest indicator. There are plenty of other questions, including the collapse of WTC7, that lend weight to the idea of an inside job -- but the coverup has been pretty methodical, and it's hard to prove. But the lack of response by our military / NORAD -- that is hard to spin. We were all paying attention that day, and jets were not scrambled. They can't say it ain't so, we all saw that it was so. We also all saw that the response to Payne Stewart's ill-fated flight was quick and efficient -- a single private jet that went unresponsive. Yet 4 commercial airliners that went silent, whose flight paths were abruptly changed, were allowed to roam the skies unimpeded for hours. Rriigghhtt, makes sense to me -- NOT.

[judaspriestess]

26. I'm glad you bring up Payne Stewart's

plane because that is an example I use. I guess the training I received was just for show because it does NOT coincide with what actually happened on 9/11. Airliners MUST AND I REPEAT MUST check in about every 10-20 minutes or so with Air traffic control. If air traffic control does not get an answer from you when they radio in, well then there is trouble, according to the training I received.
I have also had the opportunity several times when I was a flight attendant to sit in the flight deck for the ENTIRE flight and air traffic control and the airliner are ALWAYS in contact. The pilots ALWAYS check in.

[Jawja]

22. The biggest reason that I

believe in LIHOP is the fact that NORAD was doing drills on 9/11 that mirrored the actual attack and stood down.

This is not a coincidence with astronomical odds. This is high treason.

[shanti]

19. yes, we "LIHOPER's" were right

and sooooo vindicated! :thumbsup:

[leftofthedial]

20. those conspiracy theorists are making us all look bad

I mean, the truth being so unfashionable these days and all.

[Philosoraptor]

27. we told them so

[JuniperLea]

41. Hollow victory, isn't it?

I've always said I wish I was wrong. All the "I told you so's" in the world won't make me feel any better about being right.

[frylock]

23. at the very least..

a year ago you would have been crucified for even suggesting LIHOP. Soon enough MIHOP will be in the mainstream as the layers of veneer are slowly peeled away.

[tex-wyo-dem]

24. Yep, quite a coincidence, really, ...

that all these warnings (from Clinton, from Clarke, from the CIA, etc.) were chosen to be ignored...basically nothing done from the time little boots took office and 9/11/01.

But then you realize that nearly EVERY major policy decision this criminal administration has made has used 9-11 as the bedrock excuse:

- war with Afghanistan
- war with Iraq (kicking off the PNAC wet-dream of middle east regional domination)
- possible war with Iran
- Israel/Hezbollah/Lebanon war baiting Syria and Iran
- huge no-bid contracts to "well-connected" companies
- blackmailing of Dems with the "soft on terror" line on countless actions in congress
- corporate welfare
- executive signing statements enabling basically limitless executive power during "time of war"
- Patriot Act (limiting civil liberties, personal freedoms and rights to privacy and giving executive huge powers)
- Terror Bill (giving green light to torture, suspending habeas corpus, making "enemy combatant" mean basically anybody and handing the executive unheard of powers)
- Etc.
- Etc.

Yep, the junta has gotten lots and lots of benefit from 9-11; quite the enabling event if you ask me...so one must ask: Why would they want to stop it?

[indepat]

28. While it might be true a Pearl Harbor-type event was needed for the PNAC

agenda, including the already-written The USA Patriot At, to be fully implement and the President and the First Lady had a very good year (2001), let's not rush to rash judgments or conclusions.

[Disturbed]

31. At then very least the airlines could have been placed on

Extreme Alert. They were not. The FBI knew that some al Q members were in the US. Was the Busholini Regime advised of that?

[EVDebs]

35. ...and US military put on planes as 'FAA Air Marshals' too nt

[indepat]

38. Hope you read my post as if

extremely cynical :sarcasm: were understood.

[grannie4peace]

32. yup

i've come to the same conclusion... :hippie:

[ComerPerro]

34. 9/11 happened because they needed it to happen

[savemefromdumbya]

51. The Vulcans

PNAC

[helderheid]

39. Didn't * immediately after warn about "conspiracy theorists"?

[stepnw1f]

44. And Their Minions are Here to "Catapult" the Propaganda

about us "crazy conspiracy theorists". Lolololo.....

[shanti]

67. he did?

i would like to see that...

[DaveJ]

43. Well let's see who did it benefit the most?

*Co of course. I mean the scenario makes no sense. A video is 'found' 3 days later of OBL laughing and admitting to it? Too damn convenient.

[slaveplanet]

60. And don't forget

No Indictment, no Indictment was ever drawn up for OBL for 9/11 involvement. Indictments were issued in the 90's for the Africa bombings but not 9/11 and now they've even called off the search.

Nothing more than a tape of "fat Bin Laden" and the hollow accusations of assholes were required to indict him.

How convenient this all comes out after America already died the week before?

It's like the magic fairy sleeping dust has just lost it's potency, and all the foolish little serfs will now wake up to the full reality
of the nightmare they now find themselves in.

As they feverishly push the little buttons on the voting machines trying to rectify their past error in judgement, their horror will only increase as the full weight of their predicament finally sets in.

[byronius]

46. Convert here. Former naysayer. WTC 7 is too obvious.

Plus -- they're just so patently dark-minded.

[helderheid]

47. welcome

:hi:

[midnight]

48. I know we have discussed that the daily briefings that

that bush recieved during his Aug. vacation notified that attacks were happening, and John O'Neil, said to watch Binladen. Why is this new. Or what I should ask is what new piece singals the release of new info.?

[Gold Metal Flake]

52. Is it lihop for profit and power, or lihop out of incompetence?

I'm on the side of the former, but one might have to play the latter side when attempting family or friend conversions.

[rman]

70. They 'forgot' everything that would have helped them to prevent it

Coincidence?

I think that's a pretty solid argument against incompetence.

[Me.]

53. Soooooooooo, LIHOP

is no longer tinfoil!

*shadow government*

[barb162]

54. They didn't know what was going to be hit

Are you suggesting they did? There is no evidence at all for what you suggest.

[bbgrunt]

56. they were told that New York and Washington were

possible targets. They told some people not to fly. They were war-gaming this exact scenario--and yet, NO ALERTS to aviation. ......and the secret service let B*** sit and read in that classroom while we were under attack. Why didn't they whisk him away to safety??????

[barb162]

61. And I bet a lot of other cities were possibles too.

That tells us nothing other than something big was going to happen and we didn't know how. Car bombs? Chemical attacks? Richard Clarke didn't know what was going to be hit.; he makes that clear in his book

And they did whisk W away in a few minutes.

I think everyone was caught unawares of what specific things were going to be hit and how.

[Dhalgren]

71. Andrew Card comes into the class room and tells Bush,

"America is under attack." If Card knew this, then the SS knew this. And yet they allow him to sit for nearly ten minutes in a classroom full of children and stare blankly into the distance. He doesn't ask to be connected to anyone, he doesn't ask any questions, at all. Now get this - the Chief of Staff comes into a room and whispers to the President that the nation is under attack. What does the President do? Nothing. He asks no questions, he gives no orders, he doesn't ask to speak to anyone. He just sits with a blank look for nearly ten minutes while the SS loiter in the hallway. That has never made sense to me and never will. Something was not right with that sequence of events...

[raccoon]

75. Along with that, see also # 27 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2291565&mesg_id=2292549


Why didn't the SS whisk GWB away at once?

Unless they knew there was no need to.

[windbreeze]

57. Count me in...

My tin foil is shiny...:tinfoilhat: I have known all along...first thing I told my daughter that morning...don't ever let anyone tell you they didn't know...in this day and age...it is simply NOT possible..I stick by it..always will..
wb

[shanti]

68. awesome

i felt the EXACT same way! :tinfoilhat: firmly on! my first thought was "they know about this!" they could've stopped it, but didn't.

of course, i had lost trust after Selection 2000, so it was all downhill after that.

[windbreeze]

58. looks like they wanted it to happen?

NO, not really...they NEEDED it to happen...to justify invading Iraq...(which * intended to do before gaining the WH)
wb

[OneBlueSky]

62. and this is news to anyone? . . . some of us have been saying it . . .

for years, only to be flamed with things like "they would NEVER do that to American citizens!" . . .

well, they would, and they did . . .

and when the full story comes out, we'll see that substantially more than negilgence was involved . . .

[earth mom]

64. A lot of people in the DU basement are owed an apology...

and perhaps now this topic can be given the respect it is due and be discussed in GD? :tinfoilhat:

[seemslikeadream]

65. LIHOP

at the very least

[mod mom]

72. at the VERY least.