If they get some Page to say a Dem sexually harassed them

[Lone_Star_Dem]

What will be your first thought? Will you doubt it because the repugs never, ever take a beating w/o trying to drag Dems down with them?

I know I will, and that very fact makes me angry at the repugs. They are so predictably dirty that I now expect the worst from them long before it even occurs.

It's long past time we get a leader who can unite and draw from each sides strengths, rather than feed off their weakness. Look where that has gotten us so far. We are a nation running rudderless into an iceberg.

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but they really piss me off.

[silverweb]

1. They can't just "say" it.

They'd have to produce credible evidence.

If there was even any suspicion of similar Dem antics before now, we'd have heard about it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

5. Right

But what if they really just want to muddy the waters and work on taking some pressure off them before elections.

See, I'm thinking like one of them now, and I don't like it.

[silverweb]

10. Like an attempt at "swiftboating."

Yeah. Let them just try it.

At this point, the Dem bloggers would be all over them.

I don't think even the reTHUGs are stupid enough to try that kind of shit at this point. The best they can do is dredge up ancient history and try to spin it (again). They know we're onto them now.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. If they try it they have a 5'3" angry Italian mother to deal with, too

Trust me, I can be a force to reckon with.

[KittyWampus]

16. they already tried muddying the waters with Barney Frank and Studds.

[liberaldemocrat7]

20. But the Republiklan party prides themselves on acting more moral.

So anything the Democrats do, while reprehensile, does not show hypocrisy because we don't say to the public vote for us because we act more sexually moral than Republicans.

For 40 years the Republicans have said vote for us because we act more patriotic, more strong on crime, more strong on communism, more moral, etc. etc.

and of course it does not appear the case.


With this Foley sexual predation scandal and the Hastert, Boehner, Blunt, Reynolds coverup the Republicans have stuck the fork in their own milk carton and the milk has spilled all over their lunch tray.

How ironic, that with the 24/7 foreign policy terra terra terra wurlitzer that the Republicans have played throughout the last 6 years the one issue that will finally sink their ship comes from a sexual scandal and coverup.

One thing that disappoints me comes from very few people in both parties faults the Republicans as soft on terror and weak on national security and national defense for failing to defend America on Sept 11, 2001.

[Frances]

2. I agree that there would have to be some verification

The IMs Foley sent are what did him in.

[Mojambo]

3. I will try to judge the evidence (if any) appropriately

and go from there.

I will NOT automatically assume that the alleged victim is making it up or has been paid off. I will not villainize them without proof that they are lying.

It could get real ugly around here if this scenario plays out. I genuinely hope it doesn't.

[Junkdrawer]

4. I posted that Saturday...It's coming as sure as night follows day...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2270648

It's their ONLY way out and they will not disappoint...

[Lone_Star_Dem]

7. It's good to know I'm not alone.

I'm sick of their games.

[DemoTex]

6. It might be bad .. yes.

But it was not known and covered-up by the party controlling the committees. It would have been front page news at breaking. This isn't about phone masturbation, it is about the hypocritical curtain behind which the bishop gets his congress-sponsored whacking. Know what I mean, Vern?

On edit: Let me be more clear, and blunt. The straight heteros - both sides - keep a battalion of whores in business in DC. Then there are the gay members .. and the gay whores. Woodward needs some whores in his stable of informers. Whoops! Maybe he has them!

[originalpckelly]

8. No, I won't shelter in any way, shape or form a molester/predator.

And no other Democrat should either. If there is anything good in this matter is that there are a number of conservatives who want to hold their representatives accountable for misconduct. It is the first time this has happened, I believe when such egregious crimes are involved that no one may be sheltered. We shouldn't hang them from the highest pole, but we should prosecute anyone even Democrats to the fullest extent of the law.

I so fucking tired of Congress in general, whether they are Democrats or Republicans. I remember that last week 40+ Democrats voted against the writ of habeas corpus, and that it was used against our entire party.

These sex scandals are to me far more important than Abramoff even. Young men and women will be scared for their whole lives because of these crimes. I am hard pressed to find anyway Abramoff fucked up the lives of any normal person. Taxes wouldn't have gone down, so the money wasn't missed. There was little direct impact. This is so much worse.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

12. Don't misunderstand what I was saying

I'm saying that my first feeling will be that it's a trick. I'm not proud to admit that, but it's what I expect.

If any Dem is doing something such as this, they're lower than the doggie poop I scrape off my shoes. Period.

[lvx35]

9. No, it violates the "Who said it first" rule that Republicans live by.

That's why usually, whenever they do something horrendous, they first blame a democrat for doing the same thing, so if the Democrat catches them, they can just stack it up to "retribution, not fact". Here they got caught with their pants down.

[TahitiNut]

13. Remarkable that Rove didn't get out front on this one and preempt it.

As you say, that wolf has learned to cry "wolf!"

Hastert is gonna have to answer to Karl -- poor Denny! :rofl:

[lvx35]

14. Yeah, it really is remarkable. Oops! hehehe :) nt

[Catherine Vincent]

11. If that does happen, then I'll know fat head Rove was behind it.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

15. Exactly!

That's what I feel inside too. And it is pissing me off at them even more that they've drove me to those feelings.

[roamer65]

17. This is all about the cover-up. Plain and simple

The Rethug leadership knew about it YEARS ago and did nothing about it. A failure of leadership, plain and simple. Rethuglicans are not fit to lead. Period.

[longship]

19. Anticipating the Repuke response?

If there were Dem page predators I imagine that the Dem leadership is already aware of who they are. I also expect that the Dems have already anticipated this response from the Repukes. Two scenerios.

1. There are no Dem page predators. Dems should ask the Repukes to put up or shut up. It's time for a hard take down. No holds barred here. Similar handling for the Repukes screaming "Barnie Franks", Clenis, and any other scandals of the past.

2. There are Dem page predator(s). Dems should show the Repukes how to handle the situation. It will totally defuse the Foley business, but then the electorate will have an example of how a responsible political party handles things. Involve the Repukes in the investigation. Be up front with the whole business. Don't cover up anything. Show the world how it's done. Then, explain to the world the difference.

[mac56]

22. brilliant summary

thank you

[Bluebear]

21. I would say prove that Democratic leadership covered it up.

As the GOP leadership has.

[Imagevision]

23. Hey, they do Clinton for lying about a BJ, repugs got it much worse with

a 50 year old man hitting on a boy, especially whe that boy's parents contact DC. to request that Foley stop emailing their son, -- that's serious problems in this communication age.