What the hell is going on?!

[BuyingThyme]

Woodward? ABC?

These were two of our staunchest enemies until a few days ago.

Woodward with Bush at War, Plan of Attack, and his lies about Judy Miller and Irving Libby. ABC with Path to 9/11.

And this is just the stuff that's fresh in our minds. These guys played yes-men for years; they're the same fucks who led us into a war in Iraq!

But now we have a new-and-improved Woodward calling Bush a crazy, lying traitorous chimp-face in State of Denial, and ABC slowly and methodically lowering the Mark Foley noose by which the Pukes are lining up to hang themselves.

So, what in the hell is going on here?

Who's running this thing?

[Virginia Dare]

1. The conservatives have had enough of the neocons....

and they're getting unceremoniously booted out.

[EFerrari]

3. I hope so. The alternative is that we are being seduced by

agreement. Roped in.

I don't trust ANY of them as far as I can throw them, and I throw like a girl.

:shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

21. "I throw like a girl."

Really, and my daughter's Mother wears combat boots ... proudly.

I know nothing was meant by it, but, we are not The Girls of The Past.

The girl below also "throws like a girl" AND she KICKS ASS! :P :thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

31. I DO throw like a girl but I have five pitches.

:evilgrin:

[ShortnFiery]

33. I don't like the term but it's cool if you don't understand the

inherent sexism in it ... even if you are also a woman.

We disagree. But it's cool, never-mind. :shrug:

[EFerrari]

34. I do understand the sexism and I've been pretty much pledged

to debunk it for the better part of the last quarter century. There is a difference between the reality of women's lives and the vernacular. To broadly communicate, we resort to the vernacular.

Sinker, slider, screw, curve, fast.

:evilgrin:

/ack

[ShortnFiery]

43. You don't get it do you?

No, I didn't think so. F**k the vernacular.

The term is sexist and even more sad when it's used by another woman.

I don't want to get in a pissing contest with you but, IMO, using that term "less than a sarcastic manner" is UNSAT and unfair to our daughters and granddaughters who will come after us.

Think about it an PM me if you wish to extend this conversation?

[EFerrari]

48. I have never committed to satisfying you and, no, thanks.

:)

[acmejack]

36. Preferred example

:)

[LiberalEsto]

22. Maybe they were softening up the rethugs

for the kill, making nice in order to get close to those soft, slimy underbellies.

[EFerrari]

49. It's so hard to say. But, that's as good a guess as I can come up with.

[ClassWarrior]

2. Wow, the world is messy and complicated?

Who'da thunk??

NGU.

[EFerrari]

8. Okay, troublemaker. :-) Now, what do you think?

What is ABC, for instance, up to? I'd be interested to hear. :)

/,

[ClassWarrior]

17. Me?? 0:-) I agree with bryant below in post #5.

It's not as simple as "friend" or "enemy." Especially within a large organization like the Almost Broadcasting Company. I look at it all with a skeptical, but hopeful, eye.

:hi: pat...

NGU.

[EFerrari]

30. Okay, granted. Most orgs have mixed motives - that's given.

My sense is that our outrage over the mockudrama set someone @ ABC off. So, they're in "courting" mode.

Hell, we're the majority in reality and they know it.

How do we use this.

(And, that's Beth to you, sir. :) )

[ClassWarrior]

37. That's possible. Of course, it could be that...

...the entertainment division heads have a different agenda than the news division heads.

Who knows? Beth. Ma'am. :patriot:

NGU.

[EFerrari]

50. It makes you wonder how much of a real division there is

between the ABC entertainment and news groups, for example.

This must be a great time for media people like Mark Crispin Miller. So much to see.

[woodsprite]

4. Somebody higher up than * and Cheney gave them to order to

start throwing the current administration under the bus?

[midnight]

58. It sure makes you feel that there is something up a liitle higher

than those two. You think it is the Queen of England? The Pope, or God herself? Maybe we better leave God out of the Rep. mess.

[woodsprite]

59. I was thinking along the lines of the Bilderberger group. n/t

[bryant69]

5. I think our view of both was a little simplistic

There's a tendancy in humans to say "Good" or "bad" rather than to admit that most people and organizations (with the exception of the Republican party, of course) combine both good and bad traits.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[niyad]

6. how about "covering their butts" when the writing is clearly on the wall?

[whirlygigspin]

19. Que sera, sera...

The 'powers that be' know they must throw this current bunch under the bus if they want to have the slightest chance in 2008.

By this Foley thing they get a great 2 for one deal, boot out the neocon/likudnicks and scare off the Talibornigans too.

Very efficient, very cold. Get ready for the market 'correction' soon after.

[Missy M]

7. It's hard to figure out. What finally motivated Woodward to tell...

it like it really is. Could it be his conscience?

[BuyingThyme]

15. I don't necessarily see it as Woodward telling it like it is, as much

as his saying that we were right all along.

It seems that he's digging up a lot of dirt, while he's doing little more than kicking it around.

[Missy M]

24. At least he's kicking it around and more dirt comes up each day.

Whether the American people care to read or listen is another thing.

[BuyingThyme]

32. Yes, right now the American people are thinking:

"Deep Throat shot a gay, Amish guy in the lead-up to 9/11?"

[truthisfreedom]

9. i like someone's analogy of a "circular firing squad." the foley thing

makes ANY puke look bad unless they completely condemn it and never had any previous knowledge.

[gkhouston]

10. It's called "playing both ends against the middle". Dangerous, that. n/t

[kurth]

11. They see the poll numbers, and they know there is new management coming

in Washington.

[Demit]

12. They know it's time to fix what is lying in ruins. They know that this is

the time to pile on, it's safe now, that after the midterms Bush is a lame duck & can't threaten them with as much as before. Okay to orchestrate things as much as possible so that the fix-up crew comes in, the Democrats. Gotta fix the ship of state so the next Republicans have something to come in and wreck again.

[zbdent]

13. I'm waiting for the Repukes to claim that ABC broke the story, and

that ABC's recent track record of fabrication - namely "The Path to 9/11" - tends to make this a bogus story ...

[longship]

Maybe the Republicans want their party back.

However, the best way to do that is *not* from the top. On the other hand, if principled Republicans are working the system from the bottom, by taking back county and district committees, while simultaneously cutting off the head of the beast, another head might not grow back.

Let's hope that this is the case.

[TornadoTN]

14. Hedging their bets

They may see a change of direction in Washington that was imminent, regardless of this scandal. Now they are dumping all the dirty laundry to make that change as quick and painless as possible.

[enid602]

16. plug

I think 'management' has just found out that Bush really is crazy enough to invade Iran, and they're pulling the plug on him.

[stillcool]

18. CYA...or maybe CIA

oh wait...are they the same thing? wouldn't it be ironic if Woodward again became noted as the journalist who brought down a president?

[endarkenment]

20. Two possibilities come to mind.

1) there is a gotcha in the Foley case - forged messages etc. like the destruction of Dan Rather. The whole thing blows up in our faces. Woodward and all things Iraq are just played as per the current confusionoid: terra in iraq now so we must succeed cannot afford to fail etc. etc. etc.

2) the Cabal has concluded that they are going to lose congress and are cutting their losses. We will get instead Cabal Lite featuring the best efforts of DLC NewDem Corporate Creeps to prevent any meaningful changes or any meaningful investigations into the last 8 years.

[Virginia Dare]

25. I don't think #1 is plausible at this point...

I don't see Brian Ross getting Rathered. He's way too sharp for that.

I don't think Foley would have tucked tail and run so fast if there wasn't anything to it.

Not to say they won't try it with some other "journalist" in the ensuing shit storm that follows.

#2 is very plausible, "they" are cutting their losses while they can and before the neocons get us all blown to kingdom come.

[BuyingThyme]

26. I think we're too far along for #1, but I guess there could still

be a stupid "liberal media" card played. And #2 scares the hell out of me.

[LSK]

40. Foley resigned, rulling out #1, John Conyers rules out #2

[endarkenment]

56. Not so quick on #2.

That game has not even gotten started yet. Expect to be disappointed.

[BurtWorm]

23. Pelosi is back in DU's good graces as well.

It's a cyclical thing. Some cycles are faster than others. ;-)

[demwing]

27. Perhaps its all about Torture

The passing of the bill scared the shit out of the puppet masters, and now they're pulling the strings, reminding the puppets that they are not, in fact, "real boys."

[slackmaster]

28. Their motivation is very simple

Profit.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

45. Yep. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

29. I do not trust Woodward at all.

He's an opportunist and a fair-weather patriot... and he likely works for the neo-feudal corporate barons lurking in the shadows.

[Fleshdancer]

35. It was never about the truth, only the profit.

Woodward is looking out for Woodward. He knows that writing a book bashing the war would make a bigger splash and sell more than if he wrote more of the same 'ol kiss ass crap.

The same can be said for ABC too. News in this country is no longer about the news, it's about profit. The 9/11 fairy tale accomplished their goals because the controversy kept the network in the news. The Foley story is so freakishly juicy to ignore and every sex scandal equates to instant profit so there's no surprise there.

[LSK]

38. the situation is so bad that they have to come clean

[BuyingThyme]

42. I don't know. This stuff has been in the works for some time.

And the Path to 9/11 movie was being produced at the same time as the Foley follies.

I wonder if there was a deal made by which ABC would be required to rewrite history for Bush while destroying Congress. Give and take. A deal. Compromise. Politics.

[LSK]

44. I dont see how Path relates to the Foley follies

[BuyingThyme]

47. They're both ABC productions.

[LSK]

51. ABC didnt "make up" any of this Foley stuff

ABC didnt make Foley resign.

[BuyingThyme]

52. I don't know who you're quoting, but it ain't me.

[LSK]

54. well, what do you mean by production?

[BuyingThyme]

55. Please see my OP.

[Avalux]

39. Maybe ABC aired that movie knowing it would cause the dam to break?

That's what started all of this. Clinton got involved; the pact amongst the 9/11 Commission members to not place blame was broken; Woodwards book........

I don't know, seems as if that movie which was supposed to be a good think for Bushco, turned out to be a really bad move.

And then Brian Ross broke the page story......

ABC seems like a mystery right now.

[coalition_unwilling]

41. It's definitely "Through the Looking Glass" time (as if the past

five years hadn't already given us enough examples of that).

[GiveUsHope]

46. I don't give a damn about Foley

Report on someting that matters!!!!!!!!!!

[LostinVA]

53. It's appalling to me you don't think sexual predators matter

Especially when that predator is a very powerful elected official who victimizes minors.

[endarkenment]

57. Uh geee, a sex scandal that brings down the ruling party

might just matter, don't you think?